My car..

[gewehr_3]

I have a 1986 porsche 944, it only cost me 4900 USD and i got it because ,depending how i drive it , it gets 30-40 mpg. does the brand make me some kind of bourgeois ass hole?

[Enragé]

nope

though it might make you look like one :P

[Taboo Tongue]

No, (as far as I know) it is soley based on your relation to the means of production. If you are a wage laborer, you fit somwhere in working class.

[Ian]

how fast does it go?

[gewehr_3]

when someone comments on it i say "it was only $5000" and my friends get pissed because they think i should brag about it.


how fast does it go?
it only goes around 140mph or 220km/h but it is very impractical since it eats gas when you drive like that.

[comradeadam]

No being proletarian or bourgeoisie is completely out of your control.

[visceroid]

Originally posted by [email protected] 5 2006, 02:26 AM
when someone comments on it i say "it was only $5000" and my friends get pissed because they think i should brag about it.


how fast does it go?
it only goes around 140mph or 220km/h but it is very impractical since it eats gas when you drive like that.
according to engels, if someone drives a car that can go over 200 km/h, they belong to the bougeoisie class :P

[Noah]

Is $5000 alot for a car? In English money isn't that about £3500..im not good with cars...

[visceroid]

Originally posted by [email protected] 7 2006, 02:16 PM
Is $5000 alot for a car? In English money isn't that about £3500..im not good with cars...
its not alot of money, it would be a price a teenager might pay for a decent first car. well by australian standards

[Donnie]

At the end of the day I would hardly say you're in dire poverty. I mean I can't afford to have driving lessons because there too expensive in the UK.

[Lamanov]

$5000 shouldn't be too much for a "western" proletarian. Besides, your car doesn't make you a bourgeois because a car is not a means of production. It's more of a personal "item".

I'm a middle class by heritage because my family lives off a small rent and a self employed busyness, not because I drive... ;) (n.m.)

[Wiesty]

i dont see how owning a nice car makes u a member of thebourgoise, ya sure you can look at it at the perspective that it was made by the working class, but a car is a car, if you have the money why buy an old beater that ur gonna end up paying to fix.

[Rockfan]

Originally posted by visceroid+Jan 8 2006, 02:01 AM--> (visceroid @ Jan 8 2006, 02:01 AM)
[email protected] 5 2006, 02:26 AM
when someone comments on it i say "it was only $5000" and my friends get pissed because they think i should brag about it.


how fast does it go?
it only goes around 140mph or 220km/h but it is very impractical since it eats gas when you drive like that.
according to engels, if someone drives a car that can go over 200 km/h, they belong to the bougeoisie class :P [/b]
Surely that was an unconcivable speed back then. Wheres he say that lol?!?

[1984]

Originally posted by DJ-[email protected] 7 2006, 04:24 PM
$5000 shouldn't be too much for a "western" proletarian. Besides, your car doesn't make you a bourgeois because a car is not a means of production. It's more of a personal "item".

I'm a middle class by heritage because my family lives off a small rent and a self employed busyness, not because I drive... ;) (n.m.)
Most people often confuses "private property" with "personal possesions".

I remember right-wingers reply me stupid, unbiased things like "Then you'll let a hillbilly live in your backyard and use your toothbrush!?" when I say I'm pro the Agrarian Reformation. Imagine what they'd say about the destruction of private property...

And US$ 5000 for a Porshe... hey that's not even half the price of an ordinary new "popular car"! And if you like old cars, don't feel bad about it.

[FidelCastro]

The Beorgeoisie (i can't spell) are not the bosses of the workers (workers need a boss to make sure everything is going right) but rather, the people who exploit the workers and make profit off their hard work. Did you work for you money or did you get it by exploiting those under you? if you did the first then you are not Beor..you know what i mean. If you did the latter then you should experiance eternal damnation.

[Ol' Dirty]

Well, I don't think tht you are, if you're posting here :lol: ! And if you were, capitalism can be used to an end; wasn't Lenin rich? He probably had some nice stuff, but that does'nt make him bourgeoise -_-.

[Janus]

No, Lenin wasn't rich. He was middle class but he wasn't wealthy. However, Lenin's successors basically replaced the old nobility and bourgeoisie in the USSR.

Owning a car wouldn't make you a member of the bourgeoisie immediately, other factors must be taken into account. Besides, many workers own a car these days because of the lowered cost due to mass production.

[Koruptah]

Well, I think, that you are not bourgeois.. But your car used to be... ;)

[gewehr_3]

At the end of the day I would hardly say you're in dire poverty. I mean I can't afford to have driving lessons because there too expensive in the UK.

One good thing about the us is that driving lessons are free(or they were the year i took them) the year after they started charging $100 or about 55 pounds

But like I said i can get up to 40mpg highway and 32 on the interstate (freeway)

[Nathe]

IMO it dosent matter wether your bourgeois or proletariat... im middle class... just weather you support communist/socialist/anarchist ideals and are prepared to act when the revolution comes. or be active now in the movement

[Ian]

I drove my car 170 kmph but it started making funny noises and I didnt fancy dying in a collision with a concrete wall, so I slowed down

[Clutch]

Originally posted by [email protected] 16 2006, 02:52 PM
I drove my car 170 kmph but it started making funny noises and I didnt fancy dying in a collision with a concrete wall, so I slowed down
Falken say my tyres will explode at around 160. 4x4s suck ass.

[PRskin]

i got shit because i bought a 98 bmw 3.28i, but i got mine for 8000 american, and i bought it because it also gets about 35 mpg highway. but it's a reliable car that gets me to work on time and i told em to go fuck themselves.

[Commie Dic]

Dude, $5000 is not much for a car. You got really lucky, but I see it as if I work hard all my life and save up all the way to retirement I should be able to buy a Lambroghini. You might ask why, but it is human nature to seek out his or her own goals. Now this would be practical and would not be an issue if the world was communist, but that cannot be. I do not want the car for the looks or the price, but for the speed and rush of driving it. If you could show me somwhere near the Autobon where they rent out Lambo's then tell me... =P

I believe that communism is the way to go. quote me if you want... You can have anything in the world. You just can not have it all.

[Comrade_Sephiroth]

Depends on why you bought the car, what kind, and such.

Since you got a cheap used car, probably just for practical transportation uses, then you are completely innocent of "bourgeois decadence." If a capitalist society becomes structured such as to require increased consumption of "stuff" to survive, then that's the system's fault, not the consumer's fault.

On the other hand, I have no respect whatsoever for buying cars as mere status symbols. That is clearly bourgeoisie. Whenever you hear someone talking about how cool or stylish their car is, and they brag about the features, that's when the red flag goes up in my head. Or the people who are constantly worried about a scratch or mud splash on their car's nice perfect finish!

If you need a car for your life's demands, then by all means look into getting one. At least until the day that we can develop a better public transportation. I would suspect that anybody buying a fancy car as a status symbol, or who treats the car as a status symbol, would not be posting on this board in the first place (or at least if they were, they would be in the OI category, right?!?)

[Tormented by Treachery]

Hahah 5,000 is the average a teen would spend?

As a 16 year old American teen, let me just tell you, I am living large in my $800 1996 Ford Escort, wagon style. And let me tell you, ALL the ladies want to get with that. They love the grandma-ish style and the trunk space.

Seriously, I think the only way to measure middle class is that of your outlook on politics and such. If you're socialist, anarchist, communist, etc, and are very pissed at the government, I view you as the proletariat, if you are 'comfortably numb' and minding your own business while pinching pennies, middle class, and if you're laughing at all of the poor scumbags below you, you're upper.

[Hegemonicretribution]

A car could be considered more than a luxury item nowadays, especially with the current standard of living, and the poor state of public transport. Personally I would want more MPG than that, but it doesn't make you bourgeois.

I don't own, but do have use of a 1.2 Suzuki Swift. It is a fairly neat car, and runs well. It does get frustrating going uphill, but it suits my occassional needs. As has been said cars don't make you bourgeois, being bourgeois does.

[gewehr_3]

If you need a car for your life's demands, then by all means look into getting one. At least until the day that we can develop a better public transportation

I do live in a rural area and there is no public transportation, and i have to drive 20 miles to work.