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James
4th January 2006, 14:28
Did the Cubans assassinate Kennedy?
By Kate Connolly in Berlin


The Cuban secret service was behind the assassination of President John F Kennedy, according to evidence presented in a new television documentary.

Rendezvous with Death, to be shown on German television on Friday, offers the most convincing evidence that Fidel Castro's regime was behind the most talked-about murder of the 20th century.

A former agent of the Cuban secret service G2 talks for the first time about how Lee Harvey Oswald, the assassin, was, he claims, pointed out to the Cubans by the KGB.

Oscar Marino, who fell out with the Castro regime, said the Cubans were desperate to eliminate Kennedy, an opponent of the revolution who wanted to kill Castro.

"You ask why we took Oswald?" he said to the German film maker Wilfried Huismann. "Oswald was a dissident: he hated his country. He possessed certain characteristics.

"There wasn't anyone else. You take what you can get. . . Oswald volunteered to kill Kennedy."

Oswald was a Communist who spent three years in the Soviet Union and shot Kennedy in Dallas. He was killed by Jack Ruby after his arrest, leaving his motives shrouded in mystery.

Huismann spent three years persuading people to break their silence about Oswald's alleged Cuba connections. His film is based on testimony by former US, Cuban and Russian agents, KGB files and Mexican archives.

One of the main witnesses is a retired FBI agent, Lawrence Keenan, now in his eighties. Keenan was sent after the assassination to trace Oswald's footsteps in Mexico.

The evidence he found - linking the Cubans with the murder - prompted the FBI head, J Edgar Hoover, on the orders of President Lyndon Johnson, to withdraw Keenan after three days.

"This was perhaps the worst investigation the FBI was ever involved in," said Keenan.

"I realised that I was used. I felt ashamed. We missed a moment in history."

Mexico City was considered a "Pandora's Box" by the Johnson administration, which feared a war with Cuba were the truth to be revealed to the American people.

"They were afraid of what will happen. They didn't want to. . . know the truth for fear it would mean we go to war. Johnson sincerely feared for his own life." It was convenient therefore for the administration to paint Oswald as a loner.

Alexander Haig, a military adviser to Kennedy and Johnson who became secretary of state in 1981, said in the film that Johnson was terrified his people would learn the truth.

"He [Johnson] said 'we simply must not allow the American people to believe that Fidel Castro could have killed our president'.

"And the reason was that there would be a Right-wing uprising in America, which would keep the Democratic party out of power for two generations."

Mr Haig added: "He [Johnson] was convinced Castro killed Kennedy, and he took it to his grave."

Huismann's interviews and documents he found show the extent of the secret war, involving murder and sabotage plots, between Castro and the Kennedy brothers.

Without the knowledge of Congress or the American public, John and Robert Kennedy allegedly planned eight assassination attempts on Castro, all of which failed.

Huismann's explanation for the failures is a Cuban who fought alongside Castro but who later fell out with him.

The film-maker claims that this man was "contracted" by Robert Kennedy to murder the "Maximo Lider", and was provided by the CIA with pistols disguised as fountain pens and powerful poison to carry out the task.

But Castro always found out about the plots in advance, leading to suspicions of a double agent.

The film claims that in November 1963 the Cuban took his last order from Robert Kennedy to murder Castro. The act, involving poison and the fountain pen, was to be carried out on Nov 22, the very day Kennedy was assassinated in Dallas.

"Unfortunately, Castro was better than us," said a CIA agent in the film who is not identified.

Marino said Oswald was recruited to the secret service organisation by the same agent who had been recruited to kill Castro, a year before the Kennedy assassination.

"In other words the very man Robert Kennedy recruited to kill Fidel Castro hired his brother's murderer," Huismann said.

KGB files released in Moscow document a meeting between Oswald and the Cuban, who is now a retired surgeon living in Madrid.

Interviewed for the film, however, he denied any connection to Oswald, calling it an "outrageous lie".

Marino did not want to answer the question as to whether Castro had direct knowledge of the Oswald assassination plan.

Huismann wrote his film with Gus Russo, author of the 1998 book on the Castro-JFK rivalry, Live by the Sword.

http://www.opinion.telegraph.co.uk/news/ma.../04/wkenn04.xml (http://www.opinion.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/01/04/wkenn04.xml)

James
4th January 2006, 14:34
Personally, i'm not convinced that the actual answer will ever be turely known.

Of course the cubans have always been suspected as being at least involved, in this sense the article is not terribly interesting.

It is the variety of new information that is interesting.

Andy Bowden
4th January 2006, 14:37
Cuba didn't kill Kennedy, if they did there would have been war between the US and Cuba, not a CIA cover up :rolleyes:

The Cuban Mafia and the CIA had Kennedy killed, I find it hilarious how they can blame Castro for something THEY did.

bolshevik butcher
4th January 2006, 14:43
Yeh, i think it was the anti-castro cubans ironcially enough. Becuase Kennedy didnt want another war with Cuba after the bay of pgis disaster.

YKTMX
4th January 2006, 14:48
Originally posted by Andy [email protected] 4 2006, 02:48 PM
Cuba didn't kill Kennedy, if they did there would have been war between the US and Cuba, not a CIA cover up :rolleyes:

The Cuban Mafia and the CIA had Kennedy killed, I find it hilarious how they can blame Castro for something THEY did.
Exactly.

There's no way the CIA would have kept quiet if Castro had been behind it. They were desperate for a war with Cuba.

In fact, one of the reasons they selected Oswald as the patsy was because they knew they could frame him as a 'communist operative' - meaning the American people would support a Cuban invasion.

James
4th January 2006, 15:08
well i'm sure the documentary would look into such issues. Indeed this small article even claims that LBJ thought cuba was behind it, but also wanted to keep it quiet; because it would result in the right wing getting into power for years and years.


Like i said, i'm not convinced either way. I'm an convinced though that it is foolishness to make any claim one way or another. The lack of evidence and numerous conspiracy theories mean that one can only really guess as to what happened.


Also: like i said, the interesting thing about this article was the new elements of evidence which have emerged. For example the FBI in mexico.

James
4th January 2006, 15:14
i don't think it is a rolly eye issue.

For example: the US tried to assisinate castro several times. It is stupid to assume that he was oblivious to such attempts. It is equally as stupid to assume that no thought/effort would be made in retaliation.


:rolleyes:

ReD_ReBeL
4th January 2006, 19:12
no i dont think it had to do with the Cubans, read Cuba:socialism and democracy, it states "He(castro) and president kennedy had been edging toward a behind the scenes detente,sending exploratory messages back and forth with a view of 'normalising' relations, when Kennedy was assasinated in Dallas."
"Fidel was sending a clear signal to that he hoped the new american president Lyndon Johnson, would resume to abruptly severed initiative"

James
4th January 2006, 20:31
http://www.revolutionaryleft.com/index.php?showtopic=44730

Reds
5th January 2006, 17:38
the kenndy assination was the most visabal sign of military coup in the US

UltraLeftGerry
12th January 2006, 05:20
Perhaps the Cuban connection was hidden as the assassination of Kennedy was not worth the invasion of Cuba which would have pulled in the USSR ending in a nuclear war... If nukes didn't exist it would have been like 1914 all over again...

red_orchestra
12th January 2006, 06:12
I think most people think kennedy was killed by forces inside the Government- hired gun- a right-wing nationalist

max rspct
13th January 2006, 23:42
Didn't Castro say... 'we got him first' .I think i seen this on tv! bytheway they can all burn in hell (Che included) :ph34r:

Red Flag Rising
14th January 2006, 06:45
JFK was done in by a Comrade named Lee Harvey Oswald.

Plain and simple.

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c369/Rugby36/wunite.jpg

ReD_ReBeL
14th January 2006, 16:18
i dont think Lee Harvey Oswald deserves to have the title 'Comrade', he was a wife beater among other things. I dunno why but im totally against men abusing woman.

Cullmac
14th January 2006, 18:03
Kennedy had a LOT of enemies, this is the president who won on the smallest margin ever. Could have been the CIA, Cuban's, white supremacists - the list goes on. It's easy to speculate but there will probly never be any proof.

Niemand
14th January 2006, 18:22
To say that it was the Cubans is absurd, Kennedy was about to lift the embargo on Cuba and Fidel Castro even said "all is lost" when he learned that Kennedy had been killed.

Red Flag Rising
15th January 2006, 23:15
Kennedy was about to lift the embargo on Cuba
THAT is absurd. JFK was a committed Cold Warrior who would never have lifted the embargo on the Cuban peoples, particularly after the Bay of Pigs and the Missle Crisis. He was dedicated to taking Castro out. Even if he wanted to lift the embargo the right-wing would have beat him over the head with it.

Cullmac
15th January 2006, 23:21
Originally posted by Red Flag [email protected] 15 2006, 11:31 PM

Kennedy was about to lift the embargo on Cuba
THAT is absurd. JFK was a committed Cold Warrior who would never have lifted the embargo on the Cuban peoples, particularly after the Bay of Pigs and the Missle Crisis. He was dedicated to taking Castro out. Even if he wanted to lift the embargo the right-wing would have beat him over the head with it.
Actually apparently Kennedy wanted to end the Cold War, he defiantly didn’t want America to become involved in Vietnam, to get elected he would have to appear tough on communism.

Janus
16th January 2006, 00:27
Of course he wanted to end the Cold War but he wanted the US to come out on top.


he defiantly didn’t want America to become involved in Vietnam
Actually he did. He believed in standing firm against communism and began the American intervention there.

cubalibra
16th January 2006, 03:58
The anti-Castro Miami contingent of Cubans were part of the assassination teams as well as US FBI and CIA. THe war in Vietnam was to continue at all costs because the Texas oil billionaires were to make a small fortune off of Vietnam.

Niemand
16th January 2006, 04:21
Originally posted by Red Flag [email protected] 15 2006, 11:31 PM

Kennedy was about to lift the embargo on Cuba
THAT is absurd. JFK was a committed Cold Warrior who would never have lifted the embargo on the Cuban peoples, particularly after the Bay of Pigs and the Missle Crisis. He was dedicated to taking Castro out. Even if he wanted to lift the embargo the right-wing would have beat him over the head with it.
You clearly know nothing of what happened during that time.

Kennedy was against invading Cuba but the CIA decided to go in anyway without the President's approval and that is why the invasion of Cuba did not succeed. The CIA was responsible for Kennedy's death and was, as a poster previously stated, one of the most obvious signs of a military coup in the United States.

Severian
17th January 2006, 15:08
Originally posted by Erik The [email protected] 15 2006, 10:37 PM
You clearly know nothing of what happened during that time.

Kennedy was against invading Cuba but the CIA decided to go in anyway without the President's approval and that is why the invasion of Cuba did not succeed.
Heh. The CIA acting without the authorization of the Commander-in-Chief? Ridiculous, and in fact not what happened.

I've read the documents. Kennedy authorized Bay of Pigs - which failed because of the courageous resistance of the Cuban armed forces and working people. He authorized Operation Mongoose and numerous terrorist attacks on Cuba, too. In October 1962 his attempts to reverse the Cuban Revolution took the world to the brink of nuclear war.

Kennedy was no peacemonger. Whatever the reasons for his assassination, there's no reason to whitewash this imperialist liberal.

Red Flag Rising
22nd January 2006, 06:51
You clearly know nothing of what happened during that time.

Kennedy was against invading Cuba but the CIA decided to go in anyway without the President's approval and that is why the invasion of Cuba did not succeed. The CIA was responsible for Kennedy's death and was, as a poster previously stated, one of the most obvious signs of a military coup in the United States.

You stupid idiot it is YOU who knows nothing of the time. Where, ANYWHERE, do you find JFK being a peace-minded person? He was close friends with Joe McCarthy and defended the bastard long after his death. He was committed to maintaining American power all over the globe. Even if he had been interested in peace, if he made one move in that direction the right-wing would have been all over him with the "soft on communism" stick.

I prefer to see the world as it is, not as some people wish it was. The overwhelming evidence is that L.H. Oswald murdered JFK, not the CIA, not Castro, not the Mafia, not the Freemasons or the Trotskites and not little green men from Mars beamed down to the "Grassy Knoll."