Cuba after Castro

[Rawthentic]

I have heard opinions that say that Cuba will fall after Fidel because nobody has the intellect of Fidel. Thats just an opinion. Do you believe that it will fall to Washingtons vultures or keep as a socialist state.

[Rockfan]

I think the plan is that his Brother Rual will "take over". As for the USA's plans for Cuba, only time will tell.

[Hopes_Guevara]

The politic system of a nation can't be determined by an individual, and socialist revolution is the common career of the people. After Fidel, there'll be possibly a second Fidel but Cuban masses will go on building and fighting for a strong socialist country in this small pretty island, I believe so.

[bolshevik butcher]

Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2006, 05:44 AM
I have heard opinions that say that Cuba will fall after Fidel because nobody has the intellect of Fidel. Thats just an opinion. Do you believe that it will fall to Washingtons vultures or keep as a socialist state.
Ha ha ha ha :lol: Personality cult alert! Yes because comerade fidel sees all and he holds up the sky, without him the cuban people will immediatley perish.

In all seriousness, from what I have read fidel doesnt have all that much power as an individual, in theory anyway. I'd hope that when fidel died Cuba would retain its porressivness and possibly go further down the road to socialism.

[norwegian commie]

I
n all seriousness, from what I have read Fidel doesn't have all that much power as an individual, in theory anyway. I'd hope that when Fidel died Cuba would retain its progressiveness and possibly go further down the road to socialism.

it is true,
Castro dont actually have all that much power. he distributed it around to his followers. plus Cuba is boycotted by the largest nasjon in the world.
which is costing them lots of money, and true socialism requires some what different things than Cuba can provide. not exactly super abundant.
so th path to true socialism is quite long and Fidel never stopped walking it.
Yu thin cuba would be better of in a dictatorship?

[Enragé]

perhaps it'd be a good thing if fidel would like...drop dead.

[Rawthentic]

why would you want Fidel to drop dead? :huh:

[Enragé]

cuz maybe then the cuban people could really take over, without the interference of a (semi-)personality cult.

[bolshevik butcher]

Originally posted by norwegian [email protected] 3 2006, 02:04 PM
I
n all seriousness, from what I have read Fidel doesn't have all that much power as an individual, in theory anyway. I'd hope that when Fidel died Cuba would retain its progressiveness and possibly go further down the road to socialism.

it is true,
Castro dont actually have all that much power. he distributed it around to his followers. plus Cuba is boycotted by the largest nasjon in the world.
which is costing them lots of money, and true socialism requires some what different things than Cuba can provide. not exactly super abundant.
so th path to true socialism is quite long and Fidel never stopped walking it.
Yu thin cuba would be better of in a dictatorship?
Well, i think thats a bit of an exageration. I have my problems with Fidel, there is a clear lack of direct workers control in Cuba. There are also issues about what happened to lefitst, mainly trotskyists critical of the soviet union and some of fidels decisions during the 60's.

[norwegian commie]

. I have my problems with Fidel, there is a clear lack of direct workers control in Cuba. There are also issues about what happened to lefitst, mainly trotskyists critical of the soviet union and some of fidels decisions during the 60's.

yes, well trotskists critical of the sovjet and showing their critisism in a "violent fasion were punished yes. but this were misused by other authorities and some "innocent" trotskist were punished.

but i wouldn belive all of the "desitions" fidel sopposidly did cause US propaganda is still bullshit but still alsoe dominates. But some blurry things did oqurr yes.

[WUOrevolt]

Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2006, 10:00 AM
I think the plan is that his Brother Rual will "take over". As for the USA's plans for Cuba, only time will tell.
Raul is old as well, so I dont think he will last long.

[WUOrevolt]

Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2006, 07:45 PM
perhaps it'd be a good thing if fidel would like...drop dead.
I agree.

[Rockfan]

Originally posted by leftistmarleyist+Jan 4 2006, 08:52 AM--> (leftistmarleyist @ Jan 4 2006, 08:52 AM)
[email protected] 3 2006, 07:45 PM
perhaps it'd be a good thing if fidel would like...drop dead.
I agree. [/b]
Haha and we can just sit back and watch the mayhem :D . Seriously thou it might be the best thing.

[WUOrevolt]

Originally posted by Rockfan+Jan 4 2006, 01:12 AM--> (Rockfan @ Jan 4 2006, 01:12 AM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2006, 08:52 AM

[email protected] 3 2006, 07:45 PM
perhaps it'd be a good thing if fidel would like...drop dead.
I agree.
Haha and we can just sit back and watch the mayhem :D . Seriously thou it might be the best thing. [/b]
I really see a lack of worker power and people power in Cuba.

[which doctor]

I'm guessing America would swoop in and bring "freedom" and "democracy" to Cuba :lol:. I hope that the Cuban people take charge of their country and resist America and capitalism, it is possible. I am not hoping for too much though.

[Karl Marx's Camel]

Why would Fidel's death be "a good thing"? Why would it be "the best thing"?

[Rockfan]

So the people take control for themselves rather than, as NewKindOfSoldier said, having a kind of personallity cult.

[chebol]

Problem is, the *personality cult* only exists in the heads of ignorant western 'leftists' who can't "see" the workers control in Cuba and would therefore like Fidel to "drop dead" as part of their puerile and stupid little experiment. If Fidel 'drops dead' and nothing changes, what then? Do you ask for every leading member of the PCC to 'drop dead' too, just to 'prove' that the 'workers' run the country? What a stupid thread!

[bolshevik butcher]

Originally posted by norwegian [email protected] 3 2006, 08:45 PM

. I have my problems with Fidel, there is a clear lack of direct workers control in Cuba. There are also issues about what happened to lefitst, mainly trotskyists critical of the soviet union and some of fidels decisions during the 60's.

yes, well trotskists critical of the sovjet and showing their critisism in a "violent fasion were punished yes. but this were misused by other authorities and some "innocent" trotskist were punished.

but i wouldn belive all of the "desitions" fidel sopposidly did cause US propaganda is still bullshit but still alsoe dominates. But some blurry things did oqurr yes.
Sorry but are you denying that the soviet union had an influence in some of the deciisions taken by fidel? If so I cant help but feel taht you are some what ignorant.

[bolshevik butcher]

Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2006, 10:37 PM
Problem is, the *personality cult* only exists in the heads of ignorant western 'leftists' who can't "see" the workers control in Cuba and would therefore like Fidel to "drop dead" as part of their puerile and stupid little experiment. If Fidel 'drops dead' and nothing changes, what then? Do you ask for every leading member of the PCC to 'drop dead' too, just to 'prove' that the 'workers' run the country? What a stupid thread!
Enlighten me then 'comerade', where is this direct workers control. Where are the cuban soviets?

[boosh logic]

Like norwegian commie said, it seems that Fidel has distributed his power amongst others. It would be very difficult in my opinion for Cuba to remain as progressively left as it has become what with the interference of the US if Fidel was removed - the people of Cuba seem to adore him, and his death would certainly cause them to become disheartened, something the US would no doubt take advantage of

[bolshevik butcher]

So fidel is some forcefield stoppping the yankees invading the vbay of pigs again? <_<

[WUOrevolt]

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2006, 03:55 AM
Like norwegian commie said, it seems that Fidel has distributed his power amongst others. It would be very difficult in my opinion for Cuba to remain as progressively left as it has become what with the interference of the US if Fidel was removed - the people of Cuba seem to adore him, and his death would certainly cause them to become disheartened, something the US would no doubt take advantage of
I go to school with a cuban girl and she says that most cubans she knows hate Fidel.

[bolshevik butcher]

Yeh, but wont they be pettybeugoirse or beugoirse whor an away after the revolution? I&#39;m not trying to sound pretnetious but arent most cuban american faily well off?

[which doctor]

Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2006, 07:37 PM
I go to school with a cuban girl and she says that most cubans she knows hate Fidel.
Thats because her family probaly emigrated from Cuba to America. That means she was probaly raised as an anti-communist. The only cubans she knows probaly are ones that have emigrated from Cuba. She has most likely not mingled and discussed Castro with actual people who live in Cuba. The overwelming majority of Cubans that fleed Cuba are anti-Castro.

[norwegian commie]

Sorry but are you denying that the soviet union had an influence in some of the decisions taken by Fidel? If so I cant help but feel that you are some what ignorant.

No I&#39;m am no ignoring that I&#39;m am simply trying to explain that every bad thing that happens in Cuba aren&#39;t Fidel. THAT IS BEING IGNORANT
the Soviet had a finger in some executions, yes.


I go to school with a Cuban girl and she says that most Cubans she knows hate Fidel.

like fist of blood said, they aren&#39;t exactly commies.
Cuban exiles have always hated Che G and Fidelito
Most Cubans do NOT hate Fidel he is the peoples hero.

But i dint think Raoul would take over, hes too old.
Ive read that Fidel extracted some Cuban kid from America and made him a hero. Even made a statue of him.When he grows up he may become a Central person in Cuban politics.

[bolshevik butcher]

No I&#39;m am no ignoring that I&#39;m am simply trying to explain that every bad thing that happens in Cuba aren&#39;t Fidel. THAT IS BEING IGNORANT
the Soviet had a finger in some executions, yes.

I never said anything of the sort.

[KickMcCann]

I think the biggest factor is going to be Miami Cubans and their designs for cuba. If they still do have a serious interest in taking over cuba and moving back, and if they are successful, it could be quite bad. We&#39;d probably see the privitization of the entire economy, such as collectives, agriculture, education and health care, meaning no more cuban doctors travelling abroad and massive food shortages. Women will probably lose most of their rights, and institutional racism will make a big comeback to Cuba (the Miami Bourgeoise are freverently racist).
The parlimentary system and constitution will be abolished and replaced with a "temporary" military dictatorship run by some exiles trained by the "School of America&#39;s". The land that was redistributed to the peasants will probably be taken back by force by the heirs of the old landlords, and the farmers will be forced to work for them. Expect to see witch hunts and retributive killings and assassinations against communists by the Miami lords. It&#39;ll basically be a lawless island where the old ruling class will go around killing anyone not to their favor, and enslaving the rest.
Of course, American corporations will return in full force, seizing property and factories, establishing sweatshops, reopening yankee resorts, brothels, and casinos, demolishing houses, you name it.

But thats all a BIG IF. First off, despite all their brashness, its hard to say how many cubans actually want to leave their posh yankee lives and how many just love spouting puke about castro; it might just be the older generations, the younger people, the backbone of any society, would probably be resistant to fighting a big war and leaving their homes.
Also, this is all assuimg the Cuban people would all just give up willy-nilly, despite their socialist culture and education, and just give their lives and country back to their former oppressors. Or if there will even be a power vacuum after Fidel and Raul die, its quite possible the Cuban government will become more democratic and more socialist.
Also, will the US military play a significant role? And if it does, what is the possibility of Venezuela, coming to socialist Cuba&#39;s defense militarily?
If there is a war, and its protracted enough, maybe they&#39;ll reestablish the Brigadas Internacionales, and we can all volunteer to go fight the American imperialists in Cuba :D

[WUOrevolt]

She says that there is little political and civil liberties in Cuba.

[drain.you]

Jeez, if the US moved in on Cuba, Chavez would not let it fall to them without a fight. He would go crazy. And with latin america turning further to the left with each election, I imagine that they would pull together to save their allied country and cause quite a nasty and messy war out of the whole thing.

Another thought for the oven, Condoleezza Rice. Condoleezza Rice and Hilary Clinton are suspected to be the next candidates for the White House, sure, great, females in top positions, oh and perhaps first black president. But no, not all good, Condoleezza Rice appears to hate Cuba. If Castro dies when and if she is in power I imagine she would be more than happy to get Cuba back and give it democracy


Rice first used the term outposts of tyranny to refer to countries felt to threaten world peace and human rights. This term has been called a descendant of Bush&#39;s phrase "Axis of Evil" used to describe Iraq, Iran and North Korea. She identified six such "outposts" in which she said the United States has a duty to foster freedom: Cuba, Zimbabwe, Burma and Belarus, as well as Iran and North Korea.

She was also the one doing that radio thing, broadcasting anti-castro messages on the radio from america that cubans can pick up on their radios. Cant remember offhand but she has been in the news several times with anti-cuban policies and such. I would hate for her to be president.

Raul becoming leader of Castro? Hmm...I dunno. I haven&#39;t heard much about him for a while. He isn&#39;t much younger than his brother and seems a bit pointless for him to take over, he wouldn&#39;t be in power for very long before he dies himself. Certainly I think he would assume power in the time between Fidel dying and a new leader being elected. Presumming that elections will take place, in my opinion they should but hey.

Its hard to conclude a debate like this. But ideally, when Castro dies, the US will still be too deep in Iraq to be able to do anything but watch in fear and interest as Raul assumes power and order then allows elections to come and hopefully, we will get a young hardcore leftie elected which will continue Guevara and Chavez&#39;s dream of a united latin america, which, one day, will be able to have a strong footing to fight against the USA.

[Tekun]

^Thats one of the things which worries me, Rice&#39;s increasing hatred for Cuba&#39;s gov

She has publicly expressed her plans for regime and political change in Cuba
There even some info which implicates her in a covert operation to overthrow the Cuban government and impose democracy upon the Cuban people after Fidel&#39;s passing

In addition, those Cuban maggots in Miami have steadily donated millions of dollars into the campaigns of American politicos
And as a result, they have a good amount of political clout in Washington, which could result in an immediate invasion

Hopefully, this new leftist movement in Latin America unites against the increasing demeanor of America and confronts them when they attempt to subjugate Cuba

In regards to Cuba after Fidel
I would like to see elections after Fidel&#39;s passing
But also the maintaining of Cuban "socialism" and its political structure

And hopefully, the embargo is lifted to solve many of the problems that Cuba suffers from right now

[drain.you]

Could someone link me to some material on these Miami Cubans please.

[Tekun]

Here ya go

http://www.cubasocialista.com/exile0.htm