Housing in Communism

[Zingu]

This is a thought that came to mind, historically, a majority of people have lived permamently where they can substain theirselves, good foraging spots in hunter-gatherer society, farmfields and fertile soil in agricultural and Feudal society. Now, people live close to where they work (obviously).

Now, under Communism when the division of labor is abolished and the means of production are at such a level...don't you think people are going to move around alot? Housing would be viewed as a more public thing? People might stay in a house for a few weeks, day or months, and then move on to go somewhere else in a new sense of emancipation? Or do you think the traditional idea of staying in one house will tend to stay with more people?

[Goatse]

If you can be bothered to pack up your shit every few weeks and you can also find a house then fair enough. Personally I'd stay where I was until my family grew larger, then I'd move to a more suitably sized home.

[redstar2000]

Yes, Zingu, I think your point is well taken.

Communist society might very well be a "motel society"...where people stay in one place no more than a few months before moving on.

Why? Because it's a more interesting way to live.

In such a society, every dwelling place would be "fully furnished"...all you'd need bring with you would be a suitcase or two of personal possessions that you valued for sentimental reasons.

Of course such "communist motels" would be constructed to far higher standards than presently prevail. "State of the art" soundproofing would be essential.

In the northern latitudes, we might become mostly a "migratory" species by 2500CE...going south for the winter and north for the summer.

Not everyone would necessarily want to live that way...but it might surprise us how many people would prefer that to the present arrangement.

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[which doctor]

Originally posted by [email protected] 2 2006, 04:07 PM
Of course such "communist motels" would be constructed to far higher standards than presently prevail. "State of the art" soundproofing would be essential.
I laughed very hard when I saw the soundproofing part.

Anyways I think it would be more interesting to move around. It would be like a permenant vacation. It would also be easier because we have no other commitments in the town that we previously lived in. It would be like a permenant vacation. The only problem I might have would be the friends that I might leave behind, but of course they could always come along too.

[Goatse]

And there's always going to be a spare house, even in the "nice" places that everyone wants to see?

[Lamanov]

Not just that. I think it might be very realistic to expect that "symptoms" of "migration" (as redstar points out - a more interesting way of life) may be seen on an even earlier stage of development, in a very young post-revolutionary society.

It's very probable that workers will organize cooperation between trades where we would see something of a "worker exchange program" -- something very similar to today's "students' exchange". Workers of similar trades moving to another parts of the world to educate themselves, travel, exchange ideas, enjoy themselves and make friends, and finally, work.

There would be a possibility for a construction worker from Athens to move to Rio if only there was a construction worker from Rio who would like to live and work in Athens for a few months. And I don't think it would be difficult for such an arrangement to come up. :lol:

[violencia.Proletariat]

there will need to be plenty of new housing once we start to see the first worker revolutions. if it happens in western europe, im sure we will see mass migrations to there. if america isnt on the verge at that point, ill be packing my bags.

[TTNLM]

This may be a kind of stupid observation, but when society becomes as highly mobilized as that, then there would obviously need to be a highly advanced medical system, because all that "migrating" would breed new diseases or circulate extremely dangerous ones that could cripple the society. Am I alone on this thought?

[which doctor]

Originally posted by [email protected] 2 2006, 06:56 PM
This may be a kind of stupid observation, but when society becomes as highly mobilized as that, then there would obviously need to be a highly advanced medical system, because all that "migrating" would breed new diseases or circulate extremely dangerous ones that could cripple the society. Am I alone on this thought?
Chances are you are alone on that thought. The world we live in is already mobile. Diseases spread very quickly already through air travel. And there would be a highly advanced medical system to care for all the people. Migrating would be done on a small scale. There would probaly not be mass migrations from one area to another. Of course diseases would spread, but not any quicker than they do right now.

[TTNLM]

Originally posted by Fist of Blood+Jan 2 2006, 08:17 PM--> (Fist of Blood @ Jan 2 2006, 08:17 PM)
[email protected] 2 2006, 06:56 PM
This may be a kind of stupid observation, but when society becomes as highly mobilized as that, then there would obviously need to be a highly advanced medical system, because all that "migrating" would breed new diseases or circulate extremely dangerous ones that could cripple the society. Am I alone on this thought?
Chances are you are alone on that thought. The world we live in is already mobile. Diseases spread very quickly already through air travel. And there would be a highly advanced medical system to care for all the people. Migrating would be done on a small scale. There would probaly not be mass migrations from one area to another. Of course diseases would spread, but not any quicker than they do right now. [/b]
Ah I see. I didn't think about it in that way. :blush:

[Snitza]

But with so much mobility, and assuming that such a lifestyle is indeed more appealing to people in the future, how would production work? If any person at any collective decides she wants to go across the country to visit friends at any time she wants, or if all the members of society would have the available means to travel as much as they wished, wouldnt factories be empty, projects abandoned? If I travel to another city, would I work in that city for the time that I'm there?

[pandora]

In some situations I believe mobility would decrease, in particular I refer to the big three travel reasons and seasons:

1. Christmas, some people might still move away from their families, but families in poorer regions such as Central America would no longer need to send their children out of country to support the family, children could stay in the village, hence no big pillgrimage home. This happens in the U.S. in high priced property areas as well when children are priced out of where their parents live, and must live in another state. (Perhaps pillgrimage to Jerseleum/Mecca might also decrease to those who fully believe, and take out some who go for obligation, another big travel que.)

2. Summer vacation, no more labor orientation on free time. People could chose their time off when it suited them.

3. Business travel. Highly inefficient, instead people could meet from different areas and discuss ideas over longer periods of time, and truly innovate on return instead of stupid conferences with no purpose. The whole nature of interactions would change from a market economy to an intellectual economy.

Furthermore, I do not think vast consumption of fossil fuel is good for the ice caps, we need to decrease travel, but people could still live a thousand miles North in the summer months, if that was their only migration.

I like the idea of sharing dwellings, as it reduces consumer dependence on the idea of "home" I have recently met individuals who can waste enormous resources on this concept, such a waste for the planet. I think it is nice to have some personal effects such as favorite books, poetry, pictures, some spiritual or family things that are important, and hygiene materials and clothing that are fitted to the individual. But the rest of it is a waste.

Homes should be built on green design which generate their own electricity back into the grid, and be of environmental materials, preferably adobe. Looking at recent natural disasters and the travesty of over building of Mc Mansions, small livable sustainable dwellings government produced should definately be required.

Housing should be a right, but not in a mansion, and not in a slum. All houses should have a garden with a notebook history, and maintence operations, monitored by a neighborhood leader there for several seasons, such activities are being done in Cuba.