A good Christian point?!?!

[CCCPneubauten]

A point was made that the people who kill in the name of God twist Christianity just as bad as Mao twisted Marx.

Also, this person said became a Southern Babtist because they fed the most in the Katria disaster...


I found that interesting "Religion isn't the problem, it's when religious people or irreligious people feel the need to exterminate another religion through violence."

This following was said...
"We humans experience anger and frustration when something is wrong which we cannot fix. The perfect, omnipotent God, however, can fix anything. Humans experience longing for things we lack. The perfect God lacks nothing. An omniscient, omnipotent, and perfect God who experiences emotion is impossible...” <---Me

God chooses not to, because it is the result of our own choice. I know of many people who made the wrong choices in college, and their parent&#39;s cut them off financially because of it. They were in a bind but their parent&#39;s would not bail them out. Seems harsh, but in the end they saw that it was good for them because they made something of it. Had they not, life would be miserable. Likewise, our own choices affect how our life is played out. If God were to come down and make everything purpose, what purpose would He serve? God wants us to freely choose to come to Him regardless of our circumstances. Otherwise we&#39;re mindless robots created by an uncaring God. <---Him"


Points to consider...I was amazed, I feel beat..... :(

[Xvall]

God wants us to freely choose to come to Him regardless of our circumstances.

Yeah, and if we don&#39;t, we get to burn in hell&#33; It&#39;s like we get to choose, but really, we don&#39;t&#33; What a swell guy&#33;

[redstar2000]

Originally posted by CCCPneubauten
Also, this person said became a Southern Baptist because they fed the most in the Katrina disaster...

Um...I was in New Orleans for about 48 hours after Katrina and also in southwestern Louisiana after Hurricane Rita. I did not see any "Southern Baptists" feeding anybody.

In fact, I didn&#39;t see anyone feeding anybody in New Orleans&#33; In southwestern Louisiana, the neighborhood grocery store opened (on generator power) three days after the hurricane and we had to buy food like always...and we were damn happy to do it&#33;

The only charity that I actually saw do anything worthwhile was the American Red Cross. They actually paid motel bills for refugees from Katrina...up to three weeks or even more&#33;

Curiously enough, I heard that they refused to pay such bills for refugees from Hurricane Rita...but that was just talk radio yap and may not be true.


God chooses not to, because it is the result of our own choice.

Then fuck the bastard&#33; Who needs a "God" that can&#39;t do anything useful for us...or who "refuses" to do anything useful for us out of spite?

After Hurricane Rita, it was quite astonishing to hear all the godbabble on the local radio stations...how we were all "blessed" because "nobody died".

You might wish to ask your "believing acquaintance" just why his "loving God" couldn&#39;t make a planet without hurricanes? Or earthquakes? Or volcanoes?

Sheer incompetence?

Or does "He" just delight in a world of human pain and suffering?

A result of our "bad choices"? Tell me, how does one go about "choosing" bone cancer?

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[chaval]

Then fuck the bastard&#33; Who needs a "God" that can&#39;t do anything useful for us...or who "refuses" to do anything useful for us out of spite?

from a christian perspective: much is done for us. He gives life, He gives the Earth and beauty well this list is long basically all that is good and beatiful and right and true comes from him, and we are able to contemplate and admire it a nd praise it (another skill given to us by Him) also theres the afterlife which is more important than the current life.


Yeah, and if we don&#39;t, we get to burn in hell&#33; It&#39;s like we get to choose, but really, we don&#39;t&#33; What a swell guy&#33;

well i think free choice is being put out of perspective, it doesnt mean you can do as you please and thats okay but actually im just a bastard and im gonna send you to hell for kicks. it means we ahve the choice to do define our lives, to control them and act. free choice can come into play with many things that dont involve "right" or "wrong". as for the things that do involve the latter two concepts, well assuming there is a "right" and "wrong" then istn it reasonable to assume that a rational person should seek and do his best to choose the "right" action. and assuming an afterlife exists with God, then isnt it reasonable that only those who have done their very best (many can fail but if their heart is right in the end they supposedly are saved) deserve to be in the precense of God? an absolutely just judgement follows death so everyone gets what they desrve for their chosen actions. i think that it would seem unreasonable for everyone to either go to hell or heaven, one is reserved for the best, one for the worst. waht about everyone in between? well thats where the concept of pergatory comes in oh fuck it im tired im gonna go to bed just assume that some argument follows

[redstar2000]

Originally posted by chaval
He gives life, He gives the Earth and beauty well this list is long basically all that is good and beautiful and right and true comes from him...

A "life" of pain and suffering.

An "Earth" of horrendous recurring catastrophes.

The "beauty" of sickness, old age, and rotting corpses.

The "right" of the strong to terrorize the weak.

The "truth" of the most outlandish string of bare-faced lies in recorded history.


...there&#39;s the afterlife which is more important than the current life.

For which "He" neglected to provide so much as a single shred of reliable evidence.

If you could prove the "existence" of "Heaven", then you&#39;d have something to talk about.

But you can&#39;t.

No one can&#33;

Which turns everything you say into mindless superstitious babble.

I am always depressed whenever someone comes to this board with a medieval mind. In fact, I can&#39;t understand how they even learned to use a personal computer.

Do they think there&#39;s an "angel" inside that does all the work? :lol:

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[Hegemonicretribution]

I think that it is worth understanding that conceptions of perfection are different amongst the religious and non-religious. Perfection can be seen as something derived from god, it may be adverse to what we currently deem perfect, but if you take god as defining perfection then you can see where confussion arises.

For the non-religious perfection, or even good and bad is derived from something other than "god" so comparison because incompatible. Essentially the general stories about god have served litlle actual perpose than to act as a control over the masses. These ideas were never derived from "god," at least the one that the church approved philosohers were discovering, rather these ideas were were designed by the church to keep the people in line. It just happened to be very effective when you called everything "god&#39;s will."

CCCPneubauten: your point is something generally overlooked here because it gets in the way of religious bashing, but essentially it is true. Religions generally want nothing to do with other "religions" because they don&#39;t deem them religious. The communism analogy shows how the name can be misused.

The question then would be, what is religion? Personally I see it as an unbrella term for a whole lot of (in some cases) largely unrelated beliefs and practices. That is all. To view it as a whole is pointless, and individually would take forever.

[chaval]

If you could prove the "existence" of "Heaven", then you&#39;d have something to talk about.

But you can&#39;t.

true but in that case no one can prove God&#39;s existence or Jesus&#39; which would render the entire religion debate pointless. i assume heaven for the sake of argument because you were making the point of what had God ever done for us other than give us pain, to counter it must be argued as if God exists so why not heaven