If you could join one religion, what would it be?

[FidelCastro]

I'd join Islam since I find, they're truly religious unlike christians who pray once a week, these guys pray 5 times a day. The extreamists also have a more justified cause which is the fall of capitalism in the west which I support to an extent and that support ends with loss of life.

[violencia.Proletariat]

youd join this religion because they take the reactionary bullshit in their texts even more serious? doesnt sound like a good plan to me.

[ReD_ReBeL]

they want the fall of capitalism only to rebuild Islamic Imperialism. And islam tends to opress womans rights. So i dont know how you as a leftist would choose Islam. I'm not bashing the religion im just stating that if you are a Leftist why would u choose a religion which represses due to there sex? Also Woman have to pray behind the men in mosques which i think is disrepectful.

[FidelCastro]

you guys aren't answering my question....which religion would you join. Beliefs systems don't count like Faulun Gong or any of that shit. Just religions like Christianity, Islam, Hindu

[Amusing Scrotum]

Originally posted by FidelCastro+--> (FidelCastro)I'd join Islam since I find, they're truly religious[/b]

You like this....


Originally posted by 2:228+--> (2:228)Women who are divorced shall wait, keeping themselves apart, three (monthly) courses. And it is not lawful for them that they should conceal that which Allah hath created in their wombs if they are believers in Allah and the Last Day. And their husbands would do better to take them back in that case if they desire a reconciliation. And they (women) have rights similar to those (of men) over them in kindness, and men are a degree above them. Allah is Mighty, Wise.[/b]


Originally posted by 4:15
As for those of your women who are guilty of lewdness, call to witness four of you against them. And if they testify (to the truth of the allegation) then confine them to the houses until death take them or (until) Allah appoint for them a way (through new legislation).


24:[email protected]
As for those who accuse their wives but have no witnesses except themselves; let the testimony of one of them be four testimonies, (swearing) by Allah that he is of those who speak the truth;

Source (http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/index.html).

The screaming Gods of Feminism are about to smite thee. :angry:


FidelCastro
The extreamists also have a more justified cause which is the fall of capitalism in the west which I support to an extent and that support ends with loss of life.

Yes they support the end of Capitalism, but they wish to replace it with feudalism.

[Amusing Scrotum]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2005, 04:15 AM
you guys aren't answering my question....which religion would you join. Beliefs systems don't count like Faulun Gong or any of that shit. Just religions like Christianity, Islam, Hindu

None of them.

However if pushed came to shove, I'd become a neo-Hegelian. That's sort of religious.

[ReD_ReBeL]

erm i would maybe choose buddism because there are no strict do's or dont's its all about personal choices and fullfillment.Also they believe in peace and harmony and are against animal cruelty. My mates dad is a buddhist and hes a nice bloke and accepts any1, so if hes an example to go by i would choose buddhism and he in favour of leftist ideals and was all for the cuban revolution.

[LSD]

you guys aren't answering my question....which religion would you join.

No offense, but that may be because it's a moronic question.

It's like asking would I rather believe in an invisible pink unicorn or an invisible blue one; there is absolutely no different.

All religion is reactionary, although Armchair Socialism does correctly point out that many religions, including Islam, have their own particular slant on reaction.

I honestly don't understand why you prefer the sexism of Islam to the sexism of Judaism, but then maybe it's just that you prefer beating your wife to stoning her. I understand it leaves less marks. :angry:

[which doctor]

Too bad they all praise gods hat don't exist. Religion is a waste of time.

[redstar2000]

The Temple of Aphrodite would be my choice. :)

If one must worship, one might as well have a good time in the process. :lol:

http://www.websmileys.com/sm/cool/223.gif

[Luís Henrique]

Originally posted by Armchair [email protected] 30 2005, 04:18 AM
Yes they support the end of Capitalism, but they wish to replace it with feudalism.
I am not sure of even that. Arab countries do not have a feudal tradition, and these guys seem to have no prejudices against commerce or idylic delusions about agriculture.

I would say that they want a national but more repressive form of capitalism.

Luís Henrique

[Luís Henrique]

[Buddhists] ... are against animal cruelty.

They are against cats?! :blink:

Luís Henrique

[Luís Henrique]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2005, 10:32 AM
If one must worship, one might as well have a good time in the process. :lol:
Luís Henriqueism would be a wonderful religion... here are its dogmas:

1) Luís Henrique is God;
2) Luís Henrique is the supreme priest;
3) Only gorgeous women can go to heaven;
4) Gorgeous women's way to heaven involves having sex with our supreme priest.

At least it doesn't involve mistaking bread for human flesh...

Luís Henrique

[Amusing Scrotum]

Originally posted by Luís Henrique+--> (Luís Henrique)I am not sure of even that.[/b]

I remember a comment made by the reporter Robert Fisk after he met Usama bin Laden, he said "all he wants is to be King of "Saudi" Arabia." Sounds kinda' feudal to me.


Originally posted by Luís [email protected]
Arab countries do not have a feudal tradition

The Arab Empire of 1000?


Luís Henrique
[b]I would say that they want a national but more repressive form of capitalism.

That's a fair point. The first "thinker" of political Islam (Said Kupt) wanted an Islamic society with all the technology of the "West" but none of the "decadence."

Personally I think the "decadence" which repulses all religious folk is a vital part of Capitalism. I don't think you can have one without tother.

That's why in my opinion the only thing they (puritans) could ever do is bring back feudalism. Not a pleasing prospect. Plus some of them are very fond of the old Arab (Ottoman?) Empire.

[DaCuBaN]

If we're talking here and now. I'd have to go with either Winboism or Orthodox Winboism. The basic tenets are simple - one must stop whatever they are doing in order to spend sixty seconds hopping on one leg (the left for the orthodox variety, right for the others) every two minutes...

Better'n strikes in my opinion :)

[bezdomni]

Unitarian Universalism or Deism.

I've gone to a Unitarian Universalist "church" and all they do is drink fair-trade coffee, talk about politics (most of them are pretty far-left), discussn the pros and cons of other religions (mostly cons) and read. They usually are heavy on transcendentalism, as I recall. The last time I was there, they were all reading Civil Disobedience by Thoreau.

Another interesting thing is that a lot of UUs are atheists that just want to go somewhere intelligent and sociable. If you go to a UU "church" and say you are atheist, nobody will really care. Some people might discuss the logical necesity of God (usually through aristotalean "unmoving mover arguments), but nobody will condemn you. If you go to a christian church, you'd probably be burned at the stake.

The Deists are small in number and similar in many aspects to pantheists. I have met them on odd occasions at the UU "church" and in daily life. I had a teacher a few years ago who was Deist. They are always good for argument on the existence of God. Less mystical than the UUs and less dogmatic than the regular theists. They read a lot of Einstein's philosophy and stuff. Lots of them are sympathetic to socialism.

[boosh logic]

personally if i had to id be a buddhist - from what iv heard (an im probably wrong) they dont have any stupid lies like gods or anything, just morals - an morals are ok ;)

[Forward Union]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2005, 04:24 AM
you guys aren't answering my question....which religion would you join. Beliefs systems don't count like Faulun Gong or any of that shit. Just religions like Christianity, Islam, Hindu
Neo-Pantheism or Deism

[drain.you]

buddhism.

[Luís Henrique]

I remember a comment made by the reporter Robert Fisk after he met Usama bin Laden, he said "all he wants is to be King of "Saudi" Arabia." Sounds kinda' feudal to me.

I don't think that "kings" are an exclusive feature of feudal systems.

Is "king" the adequate translation of the Arabic word at all?


The Arab Empire of 1000?

Not feudal as far as I understand. No feudo-vassalic relationships, no serfdom, no restrictions on commerce and moneylending, no hereditary nobility...


Personally I think the "decadence" which repulses all religious folk is a [b]vital part of Capitalism. I don't think you can have one without tother.

Sure, but they are not goint to stop trying until we remove capitalism from its earthily existence.


That's why in my opinion the only thing they (puritans) could ever do is bring back feudalism.

In my opinion, this dream is even more impossible than "sanitised" capitalism... which, of course, won't stop some of trying, too.

ETA: sociologically, bin Ladin is bourgeois, not feudal. His family is well stablished in the civil engineering trade. And there is that misterious enigma about who made US$ 500,000,000 profits on AA and UA stocks in the attacks week...!

Luís Henrique

[Ol' Dirty]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2005, 04:36 AM
Erm... I would maybe choose Buddhism, because there are no strict do's or dont's; its all about personal choices and fullfillment. Also, they believe in peace and harmony and are against animal cruelty. My mates dad is a buddhist and he's a nice bloke and he accepts anyone, so if he's an example to go by, I would choose Buddhism. He's in favour of leftist ideals and was all for the Cuban revolution.

I had to do some editing, sorry!

Actually, many consider Budhism a philosophy rather than religion. A religion is a group of people that agree upon a god/s. The Buddha was born a Hindu, yes, but he makes no mention of one or more gods, especially not himself.

Believe me, I am a Buddhist (an un-orthadox Buddhist, but a Buddhist all the same) and an atheist.

If you don't believe me, answer these questions:

What is the name of the Buddhist god/s?
What is Buddhisms "holiest" site?
What is Buddhisms "holy" book?

Regarding the original question, I would be a Hindu, because it requires the least devoutness.

[DeathtoPrejudice]

Budhism.

Probably the most respectable religon out there, especially considering Budha was a actual person. One of the most selfless persons i have ever read/heard about.

Budhism, fits me..

[Paradox]

Orthodox Marxism (I'm being sarcastic)

WHAT
:P

[RedKnight]

Zoroastrianism, if I had to chose one. Presently, I'm an agnostic at most.

[Lacrimi de Chiciură]

This is a pretty silly question. I could join any religion if I wanted to. But I won't.

[boosh logic]

This is a pretty silly question. I could join any religion if I wanted to. But I won't.

well then i guess he/she means if you had to

[drain.you]

If he/she meant that he/she should have wrote that lol.
To me this is quite a silly thread. If you wanted to be in a religion you would be in it, we don't sit around wanting to be in a religion. Perhaps a better question would be, are you a member of a religion, if so, which one?

[boosh logic]

enough of the he/she shit lol
yea but whats the point in that - theres already a thread for that. i thought this was just asking us what religeon we think is most acceptable for the left

[Ol' Dirty]

For one thing, if I wanted join a religion to, I would. Secondly, I think you should just make a new thread and avoid a whole load of shit.

[BuyOurEverything]

Satanism, i hear they have crazy good sex.

[Xvall]

What a horrificly stupid question. I can join one religion, but I don't want to. If I did want to join one religion, I would fucking do it, but I don't, so I'm not going to! It's pretty damn straightforward.

Hey guys; if you could have one political ideology, what would it be?

Maybe a more appropriate question would be "If you had to join one religion, what would it be?". In this case, I would guess something along the lines of either "Zen Buddhism" or the "Chaos Majik" sect of the Occult.

[Re-visionist 05]

Scientology, id make friend with all sorts of famous people, and get a lot of publicity.

[Aurora]

Buddhism or Quakerism
Buddhism is more of a philosophy and seems to be alright no sexism or racism
Quakerism contrary to popular belief is not a form of christianity is excepts people of all religions and people without religion I myself am an Atheist but I used to be a member.

Has anyone here actually read the Koran??If you havnt it is some pretty scary shit, mostly about how infidels are going to burn in eternal hellfire

[Arca]

Originally posted by Anarion
Has anyone here actually read the Koran??If you havnt it is some pretty scary shit, mostly about how infidels are going to burn in eternal hellfire

Yeah it's great. I mean it doesn't stop to sugar coat it like the bible, the first bit is a prayer then it's on with the burning in hell!

[Guerrilla22]

voodoo.

[Xvall]

Buddhism is more of a philosophy and seems to be alright no sexism or racism

In the Buddhist story "Rupyavati Gives Away Her Breasts " a woman named Rupyavati (Surprise, Surprise) cuts off her breasts in order to feed someone. As a reward for her good deeds, she is turned into a man, because apparently only men can be "truely" enlightened. Here are the first lines taken directly from the story.


Even as a woman,
The bodhisattva cut the flesh from her own body
And gave it away.
How much more did he do so as a man,
For a man is superior in goodness and strength
And better at achieving the welfare of others.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

probably Catholicism, because that's what my religious family members follow and not making them worried or shocked would probably be the only reason I would ever practice a religious ritual.

[Aurora]

Originally posted by [email protected] 8 2006, 02:39 AM

Buddhism is more of a philosophy and seems to be alright no sexism or racism

In the Buddhist story "Rupyavati Gives Away Her Breasts " a woman named Rupyavati (Surprise, Surprise) cuts off her breasts in order to feed someone. As a reward for her good deeds, she is turned into a man, because apparently only men can be "truely" enlightened. Here are the first lines taken directly from the story.


Even as a woman,
The bodhisattva cut the flesh from her own body
And gave it away.
How much more did he do so as a man,
For a man is superior in goodness and strength
And better at achieving the welfare of others.
That story is scary how could anyone be so stupid to think that men are superior to women?

Well I guess I will stick to my original belief that religion is a load of crap

[Regicidal Insomniac]

If I had to, probably Sikhism. Anyone got any dirt on that?

[boosh logic]

One of my friends is a Sikh (sp?) - I think its a bit similar to Hinduism, but I'm not too sure.

[LA GUERRA OLVIDADA]

Buddhism does say that only men can become Buddhas or enlightened, but it also says that women can become them too, they get reborn in the Pure Land and they can become them then.

look at you guys, twisting the dharma.

[Morpheus]

If I had to have a religion I'd join the Pastafarians.

[red_orchestra]

I've heard many stories about Buddhist sutras speaking about woman as inferior beings. I have read several sutras that could be misconstrued that way. However, you will find that most of Buddhism actually does NOT support this view... women/men are on a very level playing field in the path to enlightenment. A Buddha has no gender interestingly enough. The historical Buddha, while a man, strove to be asexual. It is a he/she.
Buddhism as a world religion is one of very few that encourages female monks to become leaders of their faith. Buddhism is also careful to preserve the social structure of societies that it come in contact with. So you might find a much more conservative form of Buddhism in Japan, than say India... just because of cultural differences.

Sutras are stories written thousands of years ago- their essence is what is importance. They were NEVER ment to be taken literally.

If ever I were to embrace a religious path... it would certianly be Buddhist. Nothing else.

[Fidelbrand]

Originally posted by [email protected] 5 2006, 09:55 AM
Satanism, i hear they have crazy good sex.
how crazy and how good?

[Iroquois Xavier]

Buddhism- The only true path to enlightenment. I would be a Buddhist coz they are peace lovers.

[commiecrusader]

I don't know if this is true but don't you have to smoke weed to be a rasta? If that's true it sounds like a plan to me. If not, Buddhism is pretty cool as religions go, although Redstar has a good thing goin on with the temple of Aphrodite idea...

giggidy giggidy gooo.

[Xvall]

Buddhism does say that only men can become Buddhas or enlightened, but it also says that women can become them too, they get reborn in the Pure Land and they can become them then.

Yeah, because that makes a shitload of sense. Why do women have to go the extra step?


look at you guys, twisting the dharma.

You can't twist something that doesn't exist. The founders of Buddhism probably made sure to keep the Dharma abstract and incoherent for exactly this reason. There is no book called "The Dharma". There isn't even any central text to work with. I can't manipulate and "twist" something that isn't there. All dharma means is "truth" anyways. How can I twist anything? I never even stated my opinion in my reply. In fact, my entire post consisted of nothing but a minor synopsis and a direct quote from the Buddhist text in question? Quoting the Buddhist texts is twisting them?


If ever I were to embrace a religious path... it would certianly be Buddhist. Nothing else.

I still think you should specify exactly what school/sect.


Buddhism- The only true path to enlightenment.

Lmfao.


I would be a Buddhist coz they are peace lovers.

Not always. Are you aware that Japanese kamikaze pilots were often given final "instructions" and "rites" by Zen Buddhists to ensure that they were psychologically and "spiritually" prepared to careen their flimsy aircrafts into battleships?

[Xvall]

how crazy and how good?

"Black Masses", in other words orgies, are not uncommon. But with you're luck you'll just end up sitting in a circle with some pre-teen goths rambling on about their devotion to Lucifer and pretending to summon devels. Still, it's funner than Catholicism, and if you're lucky you might have the opportunity to take drugs and engage in promiscuity with a bunch of young girls (or guys), I guess.


I don't know if this is true but don't you have to smoke weed to be a rasta? If that's true it sounds like a plan to me.

I hope so. It would pretty much be my only incentive for joining. But it's not like I can't do it if I'm not a Rasta.

[Schwarzwald]

I'd join Islam....if I werent already a Muslim. Were devoted, we arent hypocritical, were the fastest growing, and we cant wait to kill bin Laden for fu**ing everything up for the rest of us. PS. Bombing the west isnt in our religion.

[Schwarzwald]

Originally posted by [email protected] 8 2006, 12:20 AM
Has anyone here actually read the Koran??If you havnt it is some pretty scary shit, mostly about how infidels are going to burn in eternal hellfire
Let me correct you. The Holy Qur'an teaches that Hell is not eternal and that eventually everyone (including satan) will be forgiven and brought back to Heaven. The time in Hell could be days, months, years all depending on your sins but Allah has a specific time for each one so you can imagine. The incentive is do good in this life and spend less time in Hell as possible. Everyone (not just Muslims) will go to Heaven, the main thing is that you believe in God and do good. Should you go to Hell it will be like this; you will be burned by the hottest fires imaginable and after you die from your skin burning off God will revive you to do it over again and again until your time in Hell is up. When you get to Heaven it will be like this; there will be streams of wine, milk, and honey that flow through lush gardens and everyone will get their own servents (men get women/women get men) to have sex with, everyone will also relax in silk couches in mansions and the streets will be made of gold. Thats from the Qur'an and thats apart of what Islam teaches about the afterlife so.....salam.

[LSD]

should you go to Hell it will be like this; you will be burned by the hottest fires imaginable and after you die from your skin burning off God will revive you to do it over again and again until your time in Hell is up.

um...why?

Why did "God" create the conditions such that people would disobey his commandments only to punish them for doing exactly what he always knew they would do in the first place?


everyone will get their own servents (men get women/women get men) to have sex with

That's actually a surprisingly revealing statement.

Where will these "sex-slaves" come from? Will they be "real people" or just mindless drones?

What will be their punnishment if they fail to obey your every sexual whim? Will they be "burned by the hottest fires imaginable" as well? :o

Honestly, it's got to seem strange, even to you, that "paradise" would include sexual slavery. I think it speaks volumes about the morality of 7th century Arabia, and also about the ultimately human origins of the Koran.

True "paradise" is unachievable, but I can tell you that even a decent society is one composed of equals.

I don't want a "sex-slave", I want to have sex with real people who want to have sex with me.

That's called human respect, something which your "holy Quran" seems to be missing.


everyone will also relax in silk couches in mansions and the streets will be made of gold.

Wow, that's so ...uninspiring.

"Ultimate paradise" is sitting on silk, in a mansion, looking at gold?

Sounds like fucking Beverly Hills! :lol:

What happened to knowledge and understanding? What about transcending physical limitations?

Honestly, 1950s sci-fi writers were far more imaginative than your precious "Allah".

Maybe, I should start the First Church of Philip K. Dick! :P

[Vladislav]

ATHEISM. Is that a religion? If it is I choose it, if it isn't I choose hmmmmm....mmm....mmmmmmm...mm........Nothing. Sorry Religion is such a big lie that I cannot force myself to believe in it.

[Schwarzwald]

Originally posted by [email protected] 15 2006, 09:51 AM

should you go to Hell it will be like this; you will be burned by the hottest fires imaginable and after you die from your skin burning off God will revive you to do it over again and again until your time in Hell is up.

um...why?

Why did "God" create the conditions such that people would disobey his commandments only to punish them for doing exactly what he always knew they would do in the first place?


everyone will get their own servents (men get women/women get men) to have sex with

That's actually a surprisingly revealing statement.

Where will these "sex-slaves" come from? Will they be "real people" or just mindless drones?

What will be their punnishment if they fail to obey your every sexual whim? Will they be "burned by the hottest fires imaginable" as well? :o

Honestly, it's got to seem strange, even to you, that "paradise" would include sexual slavery. I think it speaks volumes about the morality of 7th century Arabia, and also about the ultimately human origins of the Koran.

True "paradise" is unachievable, but I can tell you that even a decent society is one composed of equals.

I don't want a "sex-slave", I want to have sex with real people who want to have sex with me.

That's called human respect, something which your "holy Quran" seems to be missing.


everyone will also relax in silk couches in mansions and the streets will be made of gold.

Wow, that's so ...uninspiring.

"Ultimate paradise" is sitting on silk, in a mansion, looking at gold?

Sounds like fucking Beverly Hills! :lol:

What happened to knowledge and understanding? What about transcending physical limitations?

Honestly, 1950s sci-fi writers were far more imaginative than your precious "Allah".

Maybe, I should start the First Church of Philip K. Dick! :P
God created Hell so as to help keep the world in order and because He gave people free will its their choice to sin or not and if they should sin badly enough Hell is their punishment. The servants I mentioned will be created by Allah specifically for that purpose and the description I gave of Heaven is just that, a description so I think there will be more to it than just physical pleasure. Say what you will I still believe that the Holy Qur'an is God's last revelation that He revealed to the Holy Prophet Muhhammad who himself was the last and greatest of God's prophets.

[boosh logic]

Gods last revelation? That was over a millenium and a half ago - what the fuck has your god been doing since?

[LSD]

God created Hell so as to help keep the world in order and because He gave people free will its their choice to sin or not and if they should sin badly enough Hell is their punishment.

But he created them and created the conditions that led to their "sin".

More than that, he knew that they were going to sin! In fact he knew, before the world was created, the names of every single person that would ever sin and what their sin would be!

That's what omniscience means, knowing everything.

"Free will" is a meaningless concept, we all make decisions based on our innate traits and the influence of the environment in which we exist.

If "God" wanted to he could have set up those conditions such that no one sinned, couldn't he? After all, if he is "all poweful", then he is all-powerful!

Or, if he wasn't feeling so generous, he could have at least paid us the common courtesy of revealing himself in a more forthright way thatn whispering in the ear of some nobody Arabian merchant.

I mean, fuck, if he's so fucking desperate that we all obey his laws and worship his fat lazy ass, why didn't he say so sooner and why didn't he say so clearer?

And, of course, the ultimate question, if "God" is truly loving and truly omnipotent, why the fuck didn't he make a better world???

If your answer is "God is unknowable", don&#39;t bother. <_<


The servants I mentioned will be created by Allah specifically for that purpose

That "purpose" being sexual enslavement.

I&#39;m sorry, but no matter how you try to rationalize it, you are still contending that "paradise" will include sexual slavery

Don&#39;t you understand how fundamentally sick that is?

What kind of society would this "heaven" be if people so easily use other human beings for their own personal pleasure? If rape and forced prostitution are considered "normal".

I want absolutely no part of such a disgusting sadistic "paradise". If "Allah&#39;s" idea of "utopia" is slavery and abuse, I would be proud to be condemned by "Him".

[Schwarzwald]

It wont be rape or prostitution, theyll want you and youll want them. As far as God making a better world; He created Earth and it was perfect but humans screwed it up.

[boosh logic]

If humans "screwed it up", then why does he favour them? I don&#39;t see any other species running around preaching beliefs - or maybe that is our punishment.

Why will everyone want each other? This means that your god would be forcing everyone to think a certain way (intoxicating them, if you will), so in fact free will is a myth, and your god contradicts himself.

[RedAnarchist]

"He" also contradicts himself many times in his "holy" books.

[LSD]

It wont be rape or prostitution, theyll want you and youll want them.

Yeah, they&#39;ll "want" you because they are enslaved and forced to believe that they want you.

Well, where&#39;s their precious "free well"? Where&#39;s their freedom?

And how can a society that allows such slavery not corrupt itself?

These sex-slaves will look and feel and sound just like everyone else. Their abuse and disrespect cannot help but to spill into all interpersonal relationships.

Soon, people will begin to believe that all other people are objects for their personal gratification.

"Paradise"? Hah&#33;


As far as God making a better world; He created Earth and it was perfect but humans screwed it up.

Then why did "God" create humans? Why did he make a species that he knew would "screw up" his "perfect creation"?

Sorry, but, again if "God" is omnipotent, he cannot make mistakes. That means that he fully intended that humans would "screw up".

Again, I ask why?

[Schwarzwald]

Because He just did, He knew it would happen but loved us enough to create us anyway I guess.

[RedAnarchist]

No evidence of that? You know, he just did it because he felt like it?

[RedAnarchist]

Going back to these sex slaves, would they also have sex slaves? And would the sex slaves of the sex salves have sex slaves themselves? The amount of slaves would multiply forever.

[Schwarzwald]

No, servants dont get servants...thats ridiculous. Also, if God does something because He just feels like it then why not.

[LSD]

Because He just did, He knew it would happen but loved us enough to create us anyway I guess.

I think you&#39;re missing the point.

Why didn&#39;t he create us such that we didn&#39;t "screw up"?

Or why didn&#39;t he make a world that was incapable of being "screwed up"?


Going back to these sex slaves, would they also have sex slaves?

No of course not.

These would be "specially created" sex-slaves, designed by "Allah" to enjoy being raped and abused. What would they want with slaves of their own?

It&#39;s so nice that Islamic "paradise" is just glorified class society.

Or more speicifcally, a glorified version of 7th century Arabian aristocracy.

I&#39;m sure those rich princes also told themselves that their harems "wanted" them and "enjoyed" being their property. They probably even convinced themselves.

But you&#39;re sure as fuck not going to convince us&#33;

[RedAnarchist]

So, if "God" didn&#39;t have any purpose for creating us, why should we have any purpose on Earth except to do whatever we wish to do?

[Schwarzwald]

He created us to worship Him.

[LSD]

Did he?

Wow, he&#39;s certainly an arrogant bastard isn&#39;t he?

But you still didn&#39;t address the issue of why he created us wrong.

Why he made us such that we&#39;d "screw up" his perfect world? Why he&#39;d even make a "perfect world" and then put imperfect creatures into it?

And sorry, but you&#39;re not getting out of the sex-slaves issue that easily&#33;

How can you justify the creation of a class of people who&#39;s sole function is to be the property and chattle of others?

How can you justify sexual slavery in "paradise"?

And how can a "God" that creates such a horror be called anything approaching "just"?

[Schwarzwald]

Ya know what...get off your ass and figure it out instead of asking me because I dont know&#33; I still believe in God and still worship Him but I dont know every fucking little thing you want to know. Im going to bed now, I have a brother to take care of so why dont you go by a Qur&#39;an and figure it the hell out and tell me what you find. If thats flaming than great, I&#39;ll torch the whole thing. Good night.

[boosh logic]

When proven wrong, the religeous just shout and run.

[Schwarzwald]

You cant prove to me that God doesnt exist and no proof is on me because you guys are trying to convince me, not vice-versa.

[LSD]

Wrong.

You are the one making the positive conjecture, claiming that something exists. It is therefore up to you to provide evidence of it, or admit that your "belief" is nothing more than groundless supersition.

Dangerous supersition in this case, because it has lead you to disgusting conclusions like that women are "inferior" and gays are "abomination".