DIY hair - mohican like

[Faceless]

hey ho

i got bored and got myself a mohawk; was fed up with long hair anyway. So how do i stick this thing up? Gels n wax dont work that well. I aint got no hairspray

was thinking of using PVA glue, it is water soluble right and will therefore was off right?

advice welcome

[dannie]

i used gell und wax in combination with a heardryer, eggs with sugar, the oven (didn't work), wallpaperglue
don't count on the glue to wash right out, it may be a bit tricky, but it'll come out eventually

i have heard people using woodglue but have never tried it

[bcbm]

Not that to assume anything, but I think folks of non-native descent thinking of getting a mohawk should at least read this:

http://www.confluere.com/column/20030619-anen.html

I'm not sure I agree completely with it, but I think it is something that needs to be considered.

[Faceless]

Ok, i live in the UK, never met a native american in my life. I am white, but if that means I should bare the burden of racial responsibility I opt out. To be honest I got this hair cut without a thought for "racial insults" and the native american people never crossed my mind. Punk adopts lots of crap like piercing, for which I belive there is a long tradition in certain native american and african tribes. Co-opting the scotish kilt, since im from england, and which i dont, would not be seen as a racist act. It would be seen as a punk eccentricity. I don't support past or present racisms and I don't think much of the article.

So the word has history, so what. Now its got two meanings. Man-eater, racist slur and haircut

I dont grow a moustache cos its called a zapta you know

:angry:

[bcbm]

So the word has history, so what. Now its got two meanings. Man-eater, racist slur and haircut

Hmm, this argument seems familiar.


I dont grow a moustache cos its called a zapta you know

Stupid comparison.

Like I said, I don't neccesarily agree entirely with the article but I think its important for people who enjoy white skin privilege to consider these things. The fact that you immediately jump into the angry, defensive "I'm not racist, fuck tradition, etc" speech is somewhat telling, though.

[bed_of_nails]

So would it be ok for white people to protect their cultures in parts of the world where they have been repressed?

To make an argument that doing your hair in a certain way is a racist insult to cultures is complete and utter bullshit. It is reactionary crap deep down inside that sets into a "protect our culture" mindset.

[cccpcommie]

that "indian" can eat shit..why condemn someone who is out to help you..like if im making a point across to a cappie and another person starts helping me out with a debate im not going to insult him..hes there for support..why neglect support? you would have to be mental to not accept it.. ;)

[rioters bloc]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2005, 05:08 PM
that "indian" can eat shit..why condemn someone who is out to help you.
who's helping who how?

[bcbm]

It is reactionary crap deep down inside that sets into a "protect our culture" mindset.

If there had been a concentrated effort to completely destroy your culture for the past several hundred years, you probably would want to protect it.


why condemn someone who is out to help you

I don't see how misappropriating one's culture for an angsty fashion statement is helping anyone.


like if im making a point across to a cappie and another person starts helping me out with a debate im not going to insult him..hes there for support..why neglect support? you would have to be mental to not accept it..

So if you were arguing with a "cappie" and a third positionist or other such fascist type started helping you out, you would readily accept that support?

[Faceless]

So if you were arguing with a "cappie" and a third positionist or other such fascist type started helping you out, you would readily accept that support?

Wow, that is an interesting thing to compare me with because of my hairstyle.


I don't see how misappropriating one's culture for an angsty fashion statement is helping anyone.


If there had been a concentrated effort to completely destroy your culture for the past several hundred years, you probably would want to protect it.

OK, not sure if this is a good comparison, but I read an article somewhere by a black punk who celebrated the african origin of piercing. Obviously it is "misappropriation" of a symbol insofar as the punk use of it has no religious or traditional meaning. But is it OK for a black, or in this case native american punk to misappropriate this symbol. It happens all the time. I don't know who invented the humble shoe, but there's every chance it too was misappropriated. In my climate, in the UK, anti-native american racism is not an issue. Their culture, if it was not "misapproriated" would doubtless be forgotten.

And, whilst I deplore racial or cultural genocide, as the whites did do in america, some elements of culture always should become superseded, I don't see why that would not apply to native american or oppressed cultures. I mean, if the mohawk had religious connotations, maybe it would be better to preserve the unique, artistic and positive aspects of a culture but on a higher level which neglects the mystical and religious elements which will take an unfortunate form in capitalist society.

Besides which, I dont really see it as appropriation in the least. Maybe it was inspired by some native americans. However, I've seen punks with double-mohawks, spikey mohawks, random shapes on their heads without names.

This is all silly anyway, I personally believe DIY should be a sub-genre of Chit Chat since to elevate it above that to a position which might be used to promote lifestylism would be to promote reaction and goes against the idea of REVOLUTIONARYleft


EDIT: ahahaha! I didnt realise you had a zapata

[commie anarchist rebel]

k u guys its a hairstyle now just leave it at that it no longer nessisarally means a racist name to native people(p.s. i feel that calling aborigonals native americans is wrong becauz native peoples arent just from the states there from canada to and we canadians dont like to be called americans anywho.) like i have a native friend that has a mohawk an it works for him. its just a hairstyle so lay off.

[The Grey Blur]

That article is crap, take the stick out of your goddamn ass you idiot; you think you "own" a hairstyle? I doubt the Native Americans were the only people in the world to wear their hair in that style and if you're so bloody proud of it why don't you wear it yourself? Punk culture adopted that hairstyle like it adopted a lot of other styles, do you hear professional piercers complaining that Punks are "stealing their culture"? - No you don't 'cause the entire idea of a Mohawk being disrespectful to Native Americans is a pile of steaming dung. Muppet.

(that's directed towards the native american wearing the raybans not you, BBBG)

[PsychOtiC]

I don't wear mohawks... to hard to do... when I did it I had to spend an hour in front of the mirror trying...

...I make spikes :D

[which doctor]

I put very little effort into my hair. I just let it do as it pleases.

[bcbm]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2005, 06:56 AM
Wow, that is an interesting thing to compare me with because of my hairstyle.
I wasn't comparing you to that, I was pointing out the absurdity of that user's statement.

More later, I'm going out.

[bcbm]

OK, not sure if this is a good comparison, but I read an article somewhere by a black punk who celebrated the african origin of piercing. Obviously it is "misappropriation" of a symbol insofar as the punk use of it has no religious or traditional meaning.

Did the piercing have specific spiritual or other meaning to the tribe, or was it just a show of something? In anycase, almost all cultures have had piercing and no specific meaning has been attributed to it in most cases, that I know of. I'm not sure the same could be said for the "mohawk" but I'm open to information on the subject, by all means.


And, whilst I deplore racial or cultural genocide, as the whites did do in america, some elements of culture always should become superseded, I don't see why that would not apply to native american or oppressed cultures. I mean, if the mohawk had religious connotations, maybe it would be better to preserve the unique, artistic and positive aspects of a culture but on a higher level which neglects the mystical and religious elements which will take an unfortunate form in capitalist society.

Culture should be evaluated, but I think that is more the job of those within the culture than those without, particularly when dealing with this particular history and the specific circumstances of the grievance. Like I said, I just think it should be considered by non-natives, as white folks often tend to ignore issues of racil privilege whenever it benefits them.


EDIT: ahahaha! I didnt realise you had a zapata

Who the hell calls a moustache a zapata? I've never heard that. Furthermore, a moustache doesn't have any important significance to their culture and history and has been used by, oh, just about everyone.

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i feel that calling aborigonals native americans is wrong becauz native peoples arent just from the states there from canada to and we canadians dont like to be called americans anywho.

The entire continent is called America.

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Punk culture adopted that hairstyle like it adopted a lot of other styles, do you hear professional piercers complaining that Punks are "stealing their culture"?

Are you seriously comparing an ethnic group to a chosen profession? <_<


No you don&#39;t &#39;cause the entire idea of a Mohawk being disrespectful to Native Americans is a pile of steaming dung.

Saying it doesn&#39;t make it so. The native american in question seems to think it is, why (in specifics, not ad hominem) do you think it isn&#39;t?

[Faceless]

Who the hell calls a moustache a zapata? I&#39;ve never heard that. Furthermore, a moustache doesn&#39;t have any important significance to their culture and history and has been used by, oh, just about everyone.

Sorry man, i dont normally call it a zapata, i just thought it was a funny coincidence :lol:

[Palmares]

I had a small mohawk recently. Got sick of it. I cut half my dreads off for it. Now I have a "fezza-cut". Traditional punks used a mixture of glue, and stuff like tar or whatever they could find to get their hair to stick up. It wasn&#39;t a fashion at the time, but rather an aesthetic, one to which by being so extreme and different to the status-quo, demonstrated their opposition to the status quo in this aesthetic way.

In relation to the mohawk belonging to the mohicans, etc, it reminds me of the almost third positionist type literature I&#39;ve read saying white people shouldn&#39;t have mohawks, or dreadlocks either. It posited that it ignored the cultural significance of these hairstyles, and was a type of culture robbing, or cultural imperialism.

I think this is rubbish. Sure we should try to prevent culture&#39;s from being destroyed, but at the same time, such things is also a way of dividing people. Nobody owns any type of dress sense, or ideas, only themselves. And infact, by sharing ideas, we bring people together.

Diversity, eclecticism. That&#39;s all it is.

[The Grey Blur]

What he said

[Anarcho-Communist]

You could try disolving a sachet of Gelatine in boiling water, pour it into a spraying bottle and use that, it works really well. :)

[Livetrueordie]

to get back on topic... Elmers glue

[Entrails Konfetti]

Get a bar of soap, immitation Irish spring... boil it in about 3--2 1/2 cups of water , wait till its totally liquid..You&#39;ll have to watch it so it doesn&#39;t boil/foam over the pot and onto the burner ... put it in a BIG jar or something, so that it can be covered so it doesn&#39;t dry out.

When its cooled, it will be quite thick, yet water-sollible and plyable.

Put a few wads of that stuff in your hair, comb it/ spread it, then blow-dry it.

I used to have huge liberty spikes, and this is the best method.
Though its a pain to make, the advantages is that once its in your hair, you can mold it anyway you wish, and its easy to get out of your hair...you don&#39;t need shampoo.

[Donnie]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2005, 05:55 PM
hey ho

i got bored and got myself a mohawk; was fed up with long hair anyway. So how do i stick this thing up? Gels n wax dont work that well. I aint got no hairspray

was thinking of using PVA glue, it is water soluble right and will therefore was off right?

advice welcome
You should use imperial lather soap. Thats what my mate said he uses, says its the next best thing to glue.

[Alexknucklehead]

But more importantly...why would you want such a retarded haircut? :blink:

[Abood]

the website "black banner black gun" linked is blocked for me, can someone please copy/paste what it says in here? thnx.

[kaaos_af]

"Actually a Mohawk is a person--a person from a nation of people that white folks have been trying to, and continue to try to obliterate."

Too right. My old hawk had a mind of its own. Surfboard wax worked for me. I maintained a 30cm hawk for two years with that stuff.

That is, until I became aware of the Maoist Internationalist Movement&#39;s statements concerning the western labor aristocracy and the corrupt nature of our decadent western lifestyle.

Alexknucklehead- It&#39;s fun, you should try it. You really see the world with different eyes. Because everyone treats punks like shit, you get a whole new idea of what it must be like to be an oppressed group in society- like indigenous people, the homeless, immigrants and gays and lesbians. Of course, it comes nowhere near the daily oppression they face, but it gives you amazing insight. In fact, being a punk made me realise the extent of oppression in Western society- being beaten up by the police and mainstream jocks, looked down on by middle class society and living in extreme poverty- eventually convinced me of Leninism.

[Bannockburn]

http://www.gothpunk.com/howtos/care-feeding-mohawks.html

some tips.

[Commie Rat]

surfboard wax ey?

[Alexknucklehead]

Originally posted by Leninist [email protected] 9 2006, 06:16 PM
Alexknucklehead- It&#39;s fun, you should try it. You really see the world with different eyes. Because everyone treats punks like shit, you get a whole new idea of what it must be like to be an oppressed group in society- like indigenous people, the homeless, immigrants and gays and lesbians. Of course, it comes nowhere near the daily oppression they face, but it gives you amazing insight. In fact, being a punk made me realise the extent of oppression in Western society- being beaten up by the police and mainstream jocks, looked down on by middle class society and living in extreme poverty- eventually convinced me of Leninism.
Lol.

Please let this be a joke...

[Palmares]

The Leninism bit anyway... :lol:

[Alexknucklehead]

Originally posted by [email protected] 14 2006, 05:16 AM
The Leninism bit anyway... :lol:
Harsh comrade :lol:

But true...

[diamond_rabbit]

i&#39;m really surprised that people aren&#39;t taking the concerns of aboriginal people and black people re: mohawks or dreads more seriously. it&#39;s not like the person who wrote that piece was alone in his analysis. i would think that any leftist should seriously consider these perspectives when borrowing aspects of cultures which have been smashed and destroyed by colonization.

it&#39;s not that you have to agree with this analysis wholeheartedly. but it does mean that if you choose the wear your hair in this way that it carries with it meaning and insult to some oppressed people. and you know this now. to me, that is ample reason not to wear your hair this way. to me, there is no way cool-looking hair is worth the fact that some people will interpret the hair as a symbol demonstrating a lack of insight/concern to the pain and destruction caused by colonization. building strong alliances with people across oppressions is much more important, and i would not let something so silly compromise this.

anyway, here are two more articles written about this issue... saying similar things. i just wanted to demonstrate that the analysis in the previous article does not exist in isolation.

http://www.makezine.org/mohawksdreads.htm

http://angrywhitekid.blogs.com/weblog/2005..._people_an.html (http://angrywhitekid.blogs.com/weblog/2005/06/white_people_an.html)

[Alexknucklehead]

Originally posted by [email protected] 14 2006, 02:33 PM
building strong alliances with people across oppressions is much more important, and i would not let something so silly compromise this.


You are so right, I mean I can&#39;t beleive what people who wear mohawks are thinking...why they are just throwing the entire Native American Movement and 14 year old punk kids relationship into disarray with their selfish actions&#33;

Sorry for the over use of sarcasm. But does it really matter at all? What you are basically saying it that because certain &#39;oppressed peoples&#39; sported a particular haircut then it is unforgiveably insensitive of people to their plight to have the same haircuts? I mean I might aswell stop shaving my head as its insensitive to the pain cancer patients suffer....

Look like a silly haircut wearing bumhole if you like, theres nothing much deeper to it than that <_<

[Faceless]

I had a small mohawk recently. Got sick of it. I cut half my dreads off for it. Now I have a "fezza-cut".

What is a fezza-cut? :huh:

again, on the whole racialist appropriation of cultural symbols thing, there simply arent any native americans in the uk, or rather so few that i have never seen one in my life who wasnt a speaker coming all the way from america. i&#39;d prob still get it done if that was an issue though.