communists, socialists, anarchists unite!

[norwegian commie]

despite our different vievs in ideology, and the gouvorning of our society we must fight for the workers, the proletariat.
We must fight against capitalism and the supressing of the people!

My point is that througout the world it is a lot of people roting for a left govorned society and that symphatises with people like guevara but mabye votes othervise.
this is strange and shows that the left wing is not as strong as beforte and that something must be done to restore it!

You can even see on tv, read books. You see celebrityes with guevara t-shirts
t-shirts with a red star and tshirts promoting the left wing.
these people usually dont say much or do much with these oppinions simply because the word "communism" or "socialism" and "anarchism" has become "curse words" ugly words barely said in public.
and a statemment promoting them would ruin their status in the media. "i know selfish stuff but its the only one we have so :angry: <_<

WE MUST EDUCATE THE PEOPLE&#33;
WE MUST ORGANISE&#33;
WE MUST SUPPORT REVOLUTIONS AND REVOLTS THROUGHOUT THE WORLD&#33;

we must show the cappies we exist and that our believs are stronger than ever&#33;

[JKP]

You may want to consider using a spellchecker.

[redstar2000]

Unity on the "Left"? (http://www.redstar2000papers.com/theory.php?subaction=showfull&id=1082988280&archive=&cnshow=headlines&start_from=&ucat=&)

http://www.websmileys.com/sm/cool/123.gif

[Storming Heaven]

Redstar&#39;s essay (or perhaps &#39;justified rant&#39;) is excellent and hits the nail on the head. Us leftists have a habit of sometimes coming down harder on each other than on capitalists, but for a good reason. We are debating (and fighting for) the future of society...I for one don&#39;t want to fuck it up&#33;


You can even see on tv, read books. You see celebrityes with guevara t-shirts
t-shirts with a red star and tshirts promoting the left wing.
these people usually dont say much or do much with these oppinions simply because the word "communism" or "socialism" and "anarchism" has become "curse words" ugly words barely said in public.
and a statemment promoting them would ruin their status in the media.


It&#39;s true capitalism has co-opted such leftist symbols such as Che, the red star etc. but I think most people wear these t-shirts and such because they are &#39;cool&#39; or &#39;in vogue&#39;, not because they support leftist ideas. I think you&#39;ll find most celebs are liberals rather than libertarians or leftists.

[Kez]

I think the most important thing here is to march seperately, but strike together.

There is a clear differencee between ideologies, and for us all, these differences mean the victory or defeat of the revolution, so there is no point uniting for sake of uniting, as we have seen in the past (such as the Socialist Alliance in Britain, also keep an eye out for what happens to RESPECT) this simply leads to splits which weaken the movement.

This however does not mean we cannot work together, we should, and we must see in what areas we can help each, in bringing the capitalist system down.

in struggle,

[norwegian commie]

It&#39;s true capitalism has co-opted such leftist symbols such as Che, the red star etc. but I think most people wear these t-shirts and such because they are &#39;cool&#39; or &#39;in vogue&#39;, not because they support leftist ideas. I think you&#39;ll find most celebs are liberals rather than libertarians or leftists

yeah but when did people start using these symbols?
that stands for romantic ideas about freedom and revolution&#33;
but yes of course it is true but my point is that these ideas are still alive but only needs to be explained to the masses.

[Luís Henrique]

Originally posted by norwegian [email protected] 27 2005, 11:05 PM
WE MUST EDUCATE THE PEOPLE&#33;
WE MUST ORGANISE&#33;
WE MUST SUPPORT REVOLUTIONS AND REVOLTS THROUGHOUT THE WORLD&#33;
And which of these we are failing to do?

Luís Henrique

[norwegian commie]

QUOTE (norwegian commie @ Dec 27 2005, 11:05 PM)
WE MUST EDUCATE THE PEOPLE&#33;
WE MUST ORGANISE&#33;
WE MUST SUPPORT REVOLUTIONS AND REVOLTS THROUGHOUT THE WORLD&#33;


And which of these we are failing to do?

Luís Henrique

um, everyone.

WE MUST EDuCATE THE PEOPLE

almost everyone born into this cappie world, without any red parents or close relatives, walks around in ignoranse and believing that stalin is the creator of communism and tha t communism is about dictatorship and secret police killing at will.


even a friend of mine came up to me and said: hey dude communism doesnt work,its all fucked up. why cant some body invent an ideology that is good for all. that gives enough food and fills the needs of the people?

i responed of course with an hour long reply aboyt the left movement and its beliefs. :lol:

get my point, our ideologies are ruined by propaganda. the need to be brought to life once more&#33;

cant say we are doing so well there but are fokusing more on beating our left opposition rather than our right&#33;

in norway backwhen the communist parties was worth a damn and the norwegian working communist party was actually pretty big.
alsoe the norweigian communist party.
lots of years they bashed one eachother with propaganda.
while the people need help&#33;
now they are small and cant make a difference

[Comrada J]

lots of years they bashed one eachother with propaganda.
Yeah it&#39;s pretty sad how we sometimes go harder on each other rather then our true opponents. :(

[bcbm]

Originally posted by Komrad [email protected] 1 2006, 11:43 PM


lots of years they bashed one eachother with propaganda.
Yeah it&#39;s pretty sad how we sometimes go harder on each other rather then our true opponents. :(
Anyone who would try to rule over me is my opponent...

[Luís Henrique]

WE MUST EDUCATE THE PEOPLE&#33;
WE MUST ORGANISE&#33;
WE MUST SUPPORT REVOLUTIONS AND REVOLTS THROUGHOUT THE WORLD&#33;
And which of these we are failing to do?

Luís Henrique
um, everyone.
Well, I do try and educate people. I am organised. And I support revolutions and revolts throughout the world, if I find them worth of it. So?

Luís Henrique

[norwegian commie]

Well, I do try and educate people. I am organised. And I support revolutions and revolts throughout the world, if I find them worth of it. So?


well so do i, but who the hell knows and who the hell cears.
its not enough that a handfull of loyal lefties do these things&#33;
that will not force through mutch of our believs and oppinions.

of course, there are lots of socialistic "educate the people" groups that are fighting for their believs but that jist aint enough as long as they stand a lone&#33;

You think as long as we do it it is ok? youve done your part?
well i dont think so and i want results&#33; and for that to happen we gotto unite&#33;
The left IS NOT nearly as organised as it were before.
and something MUST happen with the left wing&#33;

[Luís Henrique]

its not enough that a handfull of loyal lefties do these things&#33;

Well, who else would? Loyal righties? Disloyal lefties?


of course, there are lots of socialistic "educate the people" groups that are fighting for their believs but that jist aint enough as long as they stand a lone&#33;

So they should unite? As a political party, for instance?


You think as long as we do it it is ok? youve done your part?

I can&#39;t do other people&#39;s parts. Nor can you.


well i dont think so and i want results&#33;

So does everybody. But there is no magical way to attain results.


and for that to happen we gotto unite&#33;

See, I won&#39;t join a leninist party. I don&#39;t think leninists would join the kind of party that I imagine. I fear anarchists won&#39;t join any of them. I don&#39;t want to unite with Stalinists. Stalinists don&#39;t want to unite with Trotskists. And so on.

We have different concepts about who is "us", and we have different concepts about what is "to unite".

Unhappily, just telling us that we should unite won&#39;t make it true. At the best, it can result in a new party/cult/sect/whatever that bashes everybody else because they don&#39;t want to unite, and is bashed by everybody else because they propose an unprincipled unity.


The left IS NOT nearly as organised as it were before.
and something MUST happen with the left wing&#33;

Something is happening with the left wing. But it is happening in the factories, in the schools, in the farms, etc, where the left works for social change.

To put it bluntly, we did bet in something that didn&#39;t work. So we now know that being "organised" in the way we were before doesn&#39;t work. We haven&#39;t figured why it didn&#39;t work yet. We haven&#39;t yet find a different kind of organisation that seems satisfactory to all of us. And until that happens, we won&#39;t unite.

Luís Henrique

[norwegian commie]

of course, there are lots of socialistic "educate the people" groups that are fighting for their believs but that jist aint enough as long as they stand a lone&#33;



So they should unite? As a political party, for instance?

not nesseseraly a party but something like that yes.



You think as long as we do it it is ok? youve done your part?



I can&#39;t do other people&#39;s parts. Nor can you

right, but the work WE are doing is just not enough.
we must try to mske people see things in a "red perspective" if you get my point.
people doesnt know what our ideologies is all about.



So does everybody. But there is no magical way to attain results.

im not talking about magic im talking about revolting&#33;
im talking about leftists uniting under one banner fighting the cappies and settle their diffrenses later. the democratic way.


Well, who else would? Loyal righties? Disloyal lefties?

huh, what? hey, you seem like an alright active leftist and all that but now your beeing ignorant.
disloyal lefties?, hmm. im talking about the proletariate, the left wing, the people&#33;

[Fidelbrand]

The "red perspective", "under one banner fighting" can be pretty subjective and unrealistic.

I respect your passion, but try to fill us in with your proposals or suggestions in effecting such uanimous unity and solidarity.

[norwegian commie]

The "red perspective", "under one banner fighting" can be pretty subjective and unrealistic.

how so?
the left wing cant unite?
the workers cant fight for a common cause?


respect your passion, but try to fill us in with your proposals or suggestions in effecting such uanimous unity and solidarity.

well Ive tried. ask questions and i will answer.
I just think its ridiculous that we stand and watch the right wing laughing and exploiting the fights in the left wing, with propaganda.

[Schwarzwald]

Armed revolution is not the way to go about progressive change but we must instead use the ballot if we are to ever have our way. Take the largest Socialist organization in the U.S. and expand it until eventually it becomes a third party with a presidential candidate. Work at the local level also and take every political place of power that you can, no matter how small. Start in your town, then your county, city, state, nation&#33; Use the war as a catalyst. Use pamphlets, newspapers, fliers, forums, mail recruitment, discusion halls, local clubs, everything can and must be used. As for foreign revolutionary causes that are successful we must support them; the Mexican Zapatistas, Venezuela, Bolivia. The South Americas are boiling with political frenzy and musnt be ignored. In short we must use what we have no matter how long it may take.

[Johnny Serrure]

WE MUST EDUCATE THE PEOPLE
WE MUST UNITE
WE MUST PROMOTE THE PROLETARIOT
(blah blah)

Two things:

1. I mean, this is RevLeft.Com, I think you&#39;re "preaching to the choir" or if you prefer "promulgating to the proletariol people."

2. How exactly is posting this on a forum going to help?

[Reds]

we tried this during the spanish civil war :( and in the sixties "revolution" nether ended to well.

[Fidelbrand]

how so?

Just on the subject matter of an outright-revolution (hardcore) and the adopting of an incremental, propaganda approach (softcore) ALREADY divides us into 2 camps.


the left wing cant unite?

i hope so, and the whole pot needs a shit load of ingredients (e.g. time;environmentnal;psychological;economic factors)


the workers cant fight for a common cause?

Remember some workers know about exploitation, but a handful of them wants to climb up the ladder and exploit others in the future.

Don&#39;t just read the Manifesto, bring it along with you into the reality.

Our gravest problem in this 21st century is: How to identify and educate the workers that they have a common cause, and if yes, how should they percieve it? how to persuade them?

Not shallow "no-solution" "ask-back" questions like...... the workers cant fight for a common cause?, "the left wing cant unite?" :D


I just think its ridiculous that we stand and watch the right wing laughing and exploiting the fights in the left wing, with propaganda.

yeah, hi.... I think it is ridiculous too. :unsure: hmm.... yes, i agree with you. Then...what?

[norwegian commie]

1. I mean, this is RevLeft.Com, I think you&#39;re "preaching to the choir" or if you prefer "promulgating to the proletariol people."

hmmm
everything is worth something

2. How exactly is posting this on a forum going to help?

He he he what?
how it will help? well how does it help posting anything at this forum? :lol: it would help if the members of this and the visitors of this forum started uniting on following the things i promote.
then others would follow, and suddenly become red&#33;

well I&#39;m not exactly expecting revolution because of my post but everything counts right? what kind of question is that anyways? :D
why dont you just say that no left ideology works and capitalism rocks :lol:




Remember some workers know about exploitation, but a handful of them wants to climb up the ladder and exploit others in the future.

well yes but if you read some litterature about the subject you will find it debated and you will find that this was alsoe a problem in the tiime of marx.
they are a result of their capityalist society.
and hails to the ide of money equals happines.
You know in the "cappie eye" we arent living in class society. at least not in vestern countries.



Our gravest problem in this 21st century is: How to identify and educate the workers that they have a common cause, and if yes, how should they percieve it? how to persuade them?

well that is what i am trying to figure out.
but i have personally "converted" several copies and i didn&#39;t exactly threaten them. i just explained the theory of communism and some of my views on capitalism, and POW we got us one fresh commie :P :lol: and the organization I&#39;m in gets lot of new people to join every year. red youth and red alliance.


Not shallow "no-solution" "ask-back" questions like......
hehe well that is simply because i belive in the proletariat revolting against the cappies.

[norwegian commie]

Armed revolution is not the way to go about progressive change but we must instead use the ballot if we are to ever have our way. Take the largest Socialist organization in the U.S. and expand it until eventually it becomes a third party with a presidential candidate. Work at the local level also and take every political place of power that you can, no matter how small. Start in your town, then your county, city, state, nation&#33; Use the war as a catalyst. Use pamphlets, newspapers, fliers, forums, mail recruitment, discusion halls, local clubs, everything can and must be used. As for foreign revolutionary causes that are successful we must support them; the Mexican Zapatistas, Venezuela, Bolivia. The South Americas are boiling with political frenzy and musnt be ignored. In short we must use what we have no matter how long it may take.

my point exactly. But i think Armed revolution can be nessesary.
the cappies wont give up its position lightli they will guaranteed strike back somehow. with weapons or propaganda and often both

[Fidelbrand]

norwegian commie, i think you are too "theoretical", but i am happy to have you as my comrade.

Through time and knowledge of the capitalist reality, we will further grow and be more mature and realistic, and hopefully, capitalist globalization will further vigorate us in thinking more concrete ideas in how to make "things" happen.

[redstar2000]

Originally posted by Schwarzwald
Armed revolution is not the way to go about progressive change but we must instead use the ballot if we are to ever have our way.

The technical name for this perspective is parliamentary cretinism...a term first used by Lenin, if I&#39;m not mistaken.

It never works.

Reformist Folly Revisited (http://www.redstar2000papers.com/theory.php?subaction=showfull&id=1135045961&archive=&cnshow=headlines&start_from=&ucat=&)

http://www.websmileys.com/sm/cool/123.gif

[norwegian commie]

norwegian commie, i think you are too "theoretical", but i am happy to have you as my comrade.

Well thank you comrade.
May be, yes. But i believe that a united left is possible, and that that would hurt the capitalists much more than the current left are.

The proletariat and the people will remove its capitalist chains. That i do believe and i am simply preparing for the time to come :D :D
Seriously the way co the capitalists will either kill us or starve us. our food supplies are getting shorter while theirs are growing ouver the roof. :angry:

[Schwarzwald]

Originally posted by norwegian [email protected] 4 2006, 05:09 PM

Armed revolution is not the way to go about progressive change but we must instead use the ballot if we are to ever have our way. Take the largest Socialist organization in the U.S. and expand it until eventually it becomes a third party with a presidential candidate. Work at the local level also and take every political place of power that you can, no matter how small. Start in your town, then your county, city, state, nation&#33; Use the war as a catalyst. Use pamphlets, newspapers, fliers, forums, mail recruitment, discusion halls, local clubs, everything can and must be used. As for foreign revolutionary causes that are successful we must support them; the Mexican Zapatistas, Venezuela, Bolivia. The South Americas are boiling with political frenzy and musnt be ignored. In short we must use what we have no matter how long it may take.

my point exactly. But i think Armed revolution can be nessesary.
the cappies wont give up its position lightli they will guaranteed strike back somehow. with weapons or propaganda and often both
Armed force will only cause us to look like criminals which they will charge us of being, instead we must win by using their own system against them; the ballot is their weakness and can become our strength.

[Schwarzwald]

Originally posted by redstar2000+Jan 4 2006, 09:15 PM--> (redstar2000 @ Jan 4 2006, 09:15 PM)
Schwarzwald
Armed revolution is not the way to go about progressive change but we must instead use the ballot if we are to ever have our way.

The technical name for this perspective is parliamentary cretinism...a term first used by Lenin, if I&#39;m not mistaken.

It never works.

Reformist Folly Revisited (http://www.redstar2000papers.com/theory.php?subaction=showfull&id=1135045961&archive=&cnshow=headlines&start_from=&ucat=&)

http://www.websmileys.com/sm/cool/123.gif [/b]
Lenin only hated the ballot because when his party entered the elections they lost and he wasnt willing to accept the democratic choice. I have nothing against Lenin (he wrote the State & Revolution and hes an inspiration) but his system doesnt work; yes his persistance put him in control of the Russian revolution but his buereucratic centralism left power in the hands of the few instead of letting the people control things. Eventually Russia became a dictatorship and the rest is history and its our duty to learn from the mistakes of the past so as not to repeat them.

[violencia.Proletariat]

Originally posted by Schwarzwald+Jan 14 2006, 10:52 PM--> (Schwarzwald @ Jan 14 2006, 10:52 PM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2006, 09:15 PM

Schwarzwald
Armed revolution is not the way to go about progressive change but we must instead use the ballot if we are to ever have our way.

The technical name for this perspective is parliamentary cretinism...a term first used by Lenin, if I&#39;m not mistaken.

It never works.

Reformist Folly Revisited (http://www.redstar2000papers.com/theory.php?subaction=showfull&id=1135045961&archive=&cnshow=headlines&start_from=&ucat=&)

http://www.websmileys.com/sm/cool/123.gif
Lenin only hated the ballot because when his party entered the elections they lost and he wasnt willing to accept the democratic choice. I have nothing against Lenin (he wrote the State & Revolution and hes an inspiration) but his system doesnt work; yes his persistance put him in control of the Russian revolution but his buereucratic centralism left power in the hands of the few instead of letting the people control things. Eventually Russia became a dictatorship and the rest is history and its our duty to learn from the mistakes of the past so as not to repeat them. [/b]
Redstar2k is not a leninist.

[Schwarzwald]

I was just making a point on how it would be better to use electorial politics instead of armed revolution, I&#39;ve got nothing against Leninists.

[Janus]

the ballot is their weakness and can become our strength.
How is it their weakness? You have been seriously mislead by the false ideals of democracy espoused by the government. You think that the government officials will just sit around and do nothing while they&#39;re losing their power?

Reformism has been argued over many times in this forum. The end result being that it has been proven to be worthless. I suggest that you join a reformist forum since this is the Revolutionary Left.

[Schwarzwald]

Originally posted by Comrade [email protected] 15 2006, 04:20 AM

the ballot is their weakness and can become our strength.
How is it their weakness? You have been seriously mislead by the false ideals of democracy espoused by the government. You think that the government officials will just sit around and do nothing while they&#39;re losing their power?

Reformism has been argued over many times in this forum. The end result being that it has been proven to be worthless. I suggest that you join a reformist forum since this is the Revolutionary Left.
I know they wont sit around while we take their power, but if you organize a workers party and get it large enough you can use it to take Congress and become a powerful third party. After taking Congress you wait to run for President and I know Electorial College decides the President but Electorial College is made up of Congress; when you become the Congress majority use Electorial College to put your candidate into office. After youve got Congress and the President, use the President to slowly fill Supreme Court with people from your party, the workers party and from their continue to build a socialist America.

[violencia.Proletariat]

but if you organize a workers party and get it large enough you can use it to take Congress

Not going to happen. Half the voting population doesnt vote, convincing proles to vote would be a massive effort as most have given up this sham. The question is, even if that were possible whats the damn point? Waste of time and resources.


but Electorial College is made up of Congress

No its not.


when you become the Congress majority use Electorial College to put your candidate into office

Thats now how the electoral college system works. The winning party in each state sends however many delegates the state is alotted to vote for their candidate.


After youve got Congress and the President, use the President to slowly fill Supreme Court with people from your party, the workers party and from their continue to build a socialist America.

Yes, in your dream world. In reality, you have proletarian uprising, shoot all those people, and then move on.

[Schwarzwald]

Give peace a chance; besides these revolutions never workout in the end. Examples are America, Russia, China, Vietnam, Cuba, etc. They all tried an armed uprising and look how bad they are now.

[Commie Rat]

GAh

I have said this before and i will say it again, posting about how we must organize and mobilze IN CAPS LETTERS (we can all read dick) is about the stupidist thing you can be doing.

Most of this board is already involed in direct action across thier home fronts, activly supports most left wing revolutions across the globe (or else they wouldn&#39;t be here, duuuuh).

Post this kind of retorical shit pointless and annoying (not to meantion a waste of RL&#39;s space).

its like telling a cow to eat grass.

dick

[norwegian commie]

Armed force will only cause us to look like criminals which they will charge us of being, instead we must win by using their own system against them; the ballot is their weakness and can become our strength.

well i think you are living in a dream wold where the capitalists and the states doesent do everything to maintain a choke hold on the left wing.
¨
But in our world that is a fact.
Spies, agents and huge parts of the power, the police and so on and so forth is set on one thing an that is to prevent communism being "reborn" riots spreading.

an active and well guided guerillia would be weary useful and eoul not cause bad influence on communism. We cant kill civillians, but we can fight for our cause.
look at cuba, what would that be without the ARMED revolution.


GAh
I have said this before and i will say it again, posting about how we must organize and mobilze IN CAPS LETTERS (we can all read dick) is about the stupidist thing you can be doing.
Most of this board is already involed in direct action across thier home fronts, activly supports most left wing revolutions across the globe (or else they wouldn&#39;t be here, duuuuh

Well that is BULLSHIT, the left IS NOT united and The left NEED uniting.
ID be suprised if even half of this forum partisipated activly in the left politics and solidarity.

The left is bashing eachother with propaganda rather than bashing the right&#33; saing othewise if foolish rubbish.


(we can all read dick)
WTF is your problem, you are NO comrade you are an idiot.
WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU DOING TALKING LIKE THAT TOO ANOTHER R E V O LU T I O N A R Y. not to bright ey. you sound like another rude bastard giving OUR ideology a bad name. WE ARE ALL COMRADES, THERE FOR WE MUST UNITE&#33;&#33;

You seem to be missing some key points in communism, and our revolutionary line&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;

[Iroquois Xavier]

United we stand,Divided we fall. :ph34r:

[1984]

Originally posted by redstar2000+Jan 4 2006, 09:15 PM--> (redstar2000 &#064; Jan 4 2006, 09:15 PM)
Schwarzwald
Armed revolution is not the way to go about progressive change but we must instead use the ballot if we are to ever have our way.

The technical name for this perspective is parliamentary cretinism...a term first used by Lenin, if I&#39;m not mistaken.

It never works.

Reformist Folly Revisited (http://www.redstar2000papers.com/theory.php?subaction=showfull&id=1135045961&archive=&cnshow=headlines&start_from=&ucat=&)

http://www.websmileys.com/sm/cool/123.gif [/b]
Take president Lula in Brazil - our economy is applaused by the FMI and take a look at the latest "political circus" we&#39;ve been passing through, and the "most radical" party members were simply expelled&#33; A nice example from the biggest "left" party we had... and the saddest thing is that left-wing movements most certainly will lose strength from now on.

<_<

There&#39;s simply no way we can change the world by voting. NO WAY.

We do not vote on the politicians themselves, we vote on their marketeers and, once elected, rob &#036;50.000 from the people monthly to attend the interests of the ruling class.

If this isn&#39;t a dictatorship of the bourgueois, I don&#39;t know what it is.

[Floyce White]

I&#39;m not going to unite with a landlord or investor no matter what label he pins on himself. Communism is the action of people--not a belief system that anyone can claim.

[Commie Rat]

So now im unrevoltuionary because i insulted you.
So now understanding marxism counts for nothing just becuase i insulted your poor grammer.

whooped-fucking-doo

some one need to get out of their house more often

[James]

Not going to happen. Half the voting population doesnt vote, convincing proles to vote would be a massive effort as most have given up this sham. The question is, even if that were possible whats the damn point? Waste of time and resources.



Yet you think they will be "up for" revolution?

:lol:

[WorkerBolshevik]

Who uses the term "proles"? I have previously been involved in the World Cant Wait, the organization beign supported by the topic starter of this thread, and I cant tell you straight off that it is not going any where. The WCW is a puppet of the Revolutionary Communist Party; all of its leaders and organizers are members of either the party or of the Youth Brigade, and they regularly push the RCP while in the guise of WCW organizers. These organizers all see what they are doing as a duty to their "glorious chairman" Bob Avakian, and produce a lack of real understanding of the contemporary political issues on hand, capitalist or socialist economics or theorey, or the line of march of the working class. They refuse to offer a solution to what comes after Bush is overthrown, and it is certain that therefore, the product of such a movement could only be the strengthening of the bourgeoise state. A merely more progressive ruling clique would be put into power, creating a false sense of security amongst workers, crushing the far left, and ensuring the continued progress of capitalism and imperialism. Furthermore, since November 2, the WCW has presented that it will not stand by the Proletariat to any degree. Before Nov 2, I was involved in the organizers circle in the movement as a regional student and youth organizer. After the &#39;success&#39; of that day, the movement, with the RCP ruling circle&#39;s support sacrificed its message for more members. In an inward struggle within the movement, the administration came down on the side that beleived that we should tone down our message to the lowest common denomenator to reach all people, rather than continue to convince more people that our radical message was correct. As a result, the World Cant Wait has become little different from any of the other petty-bourgeoise anti war movements in this country, and therefore is not something which Communists, socialists, or anarchists of any tendancy (except for Stalinists) would have any reason to support.

[norwegian commie]

So now I&#39;m unrevoltuionary because i insulted you.

No YOU ARE UNREVOLUTIONARY BECAUSE OF YOUR ATTITUDE TOWARD A COMRADE.
you are unrevolutionary because of your ignorance in Marxism.


So now understanding Marxism counts for nothing just because i insulted your poor grammer.
what? ha ha :lol: understanding Marxism? you?
your probably just another wannabe Marxist-brats who joins this forum to gain an identity and really doesn&#39;t give a shit about the world.

UNITY is NOT existing I have said it before and ill say it again.
and hey moron.
didn&#39;t Marx say "working men of all countries unite&#33;"?
infarct he did&#33; how about reading some Marx? not only the first page in the manifesto. maybe some of Lenin&#39;s books. Or Lenin&#39;s views on Marx? Great revolutionary book gives a fine perspective.

Maybe even read some of Fidel and Che Guevaras dairy in Bolivia.

Then talk and Then say something.



whooped-fucking-doo

some one need to get out of their house more often
well someone needs to get a fucking clue&#33;
i dont know about you but i really deep in too my heart want an world revolution. I want justice&#33; and the attitudes you are sowing Wont exactly be a corner stone in the futures red society. So get you finger out of your ass and start making a difference.

Instead of criticizing other Marxist for posting REVOLUTIONARY stuff on an REVOLUTIONARY page&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;

and by the way i AM getting out of my house. In my work in Norway against racism and poverty.There are classes here too you know.


Commie Rat

id like you to rethink your marxismor what the hell revolutionary thing you calim to promote. what about learning something about it and understaning that people is suffering&#33;&#33;


shit even this text will probably be taken completly outof context and then answered in an arrogant and stupid way so the one critisising the original writer can feel like a big man&#33;&#33;&#33;

Hell NOT EVEN revolutionary left. com is united&#33;&#33;&#33; you cant post shit here without some punk taking your text completely out of context and trying to play smart.
WE NEED DOING NOT CRITIZISING

[Commie Rat]

you are unrevolutionary because of your ignorance in Marxism.

Again i will say it how does me insulting you show a lack of knowledge of Marxist Theory?


your probably just another wannabe Marxist-brats

I never said i was.


really doesn&#39;t give a shit about the world

If i didn&#39;t care then why would i be here?


Instead of criticizing other Marxist for posting REVOLUTIONARY stuff on an REVOLUTIONARY page&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;

Screaming for blood is no more revolutionary then collecting stamps, and to a degree it is counter revolutionary as it distances us from people, and allows us to be critzied from the outside


WE NEED DOING NOT CRITIZISING

Uh yes we do, we are only going to get one chance at this and i really dont want to fuck it up, anyone one who thinks communism is iron-clad and failsafe is incredably nieve.


In my work in Norway against racism and poverty

Good work, i may argue with you but you are still my comrade, cheers where it is due.

[norwegian commie]

Again i will say it how does me insulting you show a lack of knowledge of Marxist Theory?
i just think you lack the feeling of unity.
Marx, lenin and dimitrov pluss almost every revolutionary talked about.
i became kinda pissed when i got nothing but rude and dumb replies.

That is typical for wannabee marxists




If i didn&#39;t care then why would i be here?
i have explained this... MAN I HATE THIS
people taking my text out of context, twisting it for their own good.
That creates no solutions, that is selvfish idiotick stuff




Screaming for blood is no more revolutionary then collecting stamps, and to a degree it is counter revolutionary as it distances us from people, and allows us to be critzied from the outside


when did say anything about blood? this post is on UNITY on the left
Not blood.

But i am no reformists, i dont think a democratic in the form capitalism have arranged it is impossible. Propaganda and bullshit, pluss the leftists are unrepresented. They are even seriusly considering criminalistion of communism and what it represents. Cold war all over again.
Look at cuba that we all know about. military means to take control of the country.




"we dont need critisising"


Uh yes we do, we are only going to get one chance at this and i really dont want to fuck it up, anyone one who thinks communism is iron-clad and failsafe is incredably nieve.

well history has certanly shown that it is not waterproof or whatever a am aware.
But we have critizised enough, we are doing itso much it is discuraging.
people drops out of politics because of the left internal fights.

WE NEED DOING
not some brat criticising us about something he doesnt know shit about&#33;
(not talking about you this time)

AND PEOPLE if you are going to reply on a post keep the text in its context and dont be assholes.


Good work, i may argue with you but you are still my comrade, cheers where it is due.

thanks, but i have one problem.
where do our differences lie?

do you oppose armed revolution fully?
do you oppose unity on the left?
doyou think the communist ideas are wothless?

if so what are you here for? i know you dont find it worthless but can you or anyone on this forum refine it better than what marx, lenin and all of the firekrackers that existed during the cold war did?

the communist idea are worked out pretty scientific and exact but people with too much power create dictators