Phone taps

[bezdomni]

Does anyone have information on how to check for a wire tap and/or destroy it (hopefully without destroying your entire phoneline)?

I've done some research, and it seems kind of hopeless to be able to tell if you are being monitored...but I think I read something by Abbie Hoffman a while back about destroying wiretaps. The problem is it required blowing your phone connection.

I was hoping that there are others here with more experience in evading surveillance. It's not so much that I'm discussing things which are illegal, but the principle of being spied on is disturbing.

[RedAnarchist]

no offence, but who would be monitoring you? Are you of any real importance to the authorities?

[which doctor]

As far as I know, there is no way to know that you have a wiretap. If you did know that you had one it would be hard to bypass it.

Don't give away sensitive information on the phone. It is the one sure way not to get caught. We live in the Information Age, where the goverment can use modern technology to spy on our everyday lifes. To return to the old way, where technology cannot intrude on us can be a good thing to do, especially if you are of any importance to the authorities.

[rioters bloc]

i'm perpetually paranoid now about phone taps [very bad state of mind to be in, but meh] ever since i got one of my friends arrested and another in a lot of trouble because they were being monitored and failed to tell me.

idiots.

[bcbm]

Originally posted by rioters [email protected] 28 2005, 03:26 AM
i'm perpetually paranoid now about phone taps [very bad state of mind to be in, but meh]
Actually, it would probably be better for all of us if we assumed every phone was tapped. Loose lips sink ships and given the political climate, at least here, people need to keep their lips fucking tight right now.

[DaCuBaN]

Whlst the old addage from military propoganda is one of the few truths every put on a poster, I advise a little reading into one of the great "conspiracies" of our time:


Rumors have abounded for several years of a massive system designed to intercept virtually all email and fax traffic in the world and subject it to automated analysis, despite laws in many nations (including this one) barring such activity. The laws were circumvented by a mutual pact among five nations. It's illegal for the United States to spy on it's citizens. Likewise the same for Great Britain. But under the terms of the UKUSA agreement, Britain spies on Americans and America spies on British citizens and the two groups trade data. Technically, it may be legal, but the intent to evade the spirit of the laws protecting the citizens of those two nations is clear.

The system is called ECHELON, and had been rumored to be in development since 1947, the result of the UKUSA treaty signed by the governments of the United States, the United Kingdom, Canada, Australia and New Zealand.

The purpose of the UKUSA agreement was to create a single vast global intelligence organization sharing common goals and a common agenda, spying on the world and sharing the data. The uniformity of operation is such that NSA operatives from Fort Meade could work from Menwith Hill to intercept local communications without either nation having to formally approve or disclose the interception.

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/P...ON/echelon.html (http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/ECHELON/echelon.html)

If you type "Echelon" into any search engine, you'll receive a wealth of results, ranging from the sublime to the ridiculous. However, just remember that if you need privacy, ensure that you are utterly alone with the person you have the discourse with - telecommunications in any form cannot be secure.

[bezdomni]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2005, 12:45 AM
no offence, but who would be monitoring you? Are you of any real importance to the authorities?
Haha. Logically, I am certainly of very little importance. No rational human beings would bother with monitoring me.

However, the government isn't run by rational human beings. At least in the US, the government goes crazy with monitoring people.

I remember a while back some FBI guy was a member of a communist group (I think it was RCP or something...my friend told me about it).

A lot of environmental activists are monitored too. Hell, Albert Einstein had a gigantic FBI file.

I thought it would be useful to know how to deal with wiretaps. Even if I don't have one at the moment, it is certainly plausible that at least one person on this forum has or will have a wiretap. Especially some of the more active people.

Remember...if we aren't with the president, we're terrorists.

[bezdomni]

Hate to double post, but I found this site interesting.

Detecting Phone Bugs (http://www.iiiweb.net/go/tscm) (from a PI firm)

[Tyler Durden]

Every phone call is registed (with my bill i get the exact numbers i called (with the time and all) and i think 'they' even record every phonecall from everybody. Not the audio..(probley) but like the 'voice typing stuff' u might have on your own pc.
Every phone company might have a master computer with al those milions of recorded texst files, with a computer seachin for 'key words' like terrorst attack, bomb, weapons, drugs... ya know.

Thats yust my opinion...

Raise Ya Fist

T.D

[Eoin Dubh]

If you are active,always assume your phone is tapped.
If you are really active always assume your house/ car/ person is tapped.
Hold your tongue. Never speak of anything outloud, use a childs "etch a sketch" type toy, the ones which you can write on then immediately erase when you wish to convey info to another comrade in your presence.
Read up on Cointelpro's actions against the Black Panthers, American Indian Movement, and Earth First.

If you use a cordless phone in a populated area, anybody with a baby monitor has been entertained by your conversations, never mind the police. :che: :hammer:

[Organic Revolution]

use a damn pay phone.

[razboz]

As far as i understand it, in the more paranoid countries (the US, Uk and so on) all phone communications are randomly monitored by some form of informatic anylising machine that picks out keywords (bomb, destroy, target or whatever) and combinations of words and thus targets certain telephones for closer surveillance. I think this is legally possible with the latest terrorist attacks. But im really not sure about this information, and i cant even remeber where it came from. I might just have made it up. That said, to be brutally honest i dont think that leftist revolutionaries are a priorety for various monitoring agencie or whatever, not sicnce the demise of the USSR. I think the new major threats to homeland security for Western countries comes in the form of Islamist extremists. I mean, when was the last time that communist revolution was REALLY a threat to the "civilised" world?

[somebodywhowantedtoleaveandnotcomeback]

Might be, but it doesn't hurt to use extreme caution. If the government now concentrates on other groups than leftists, let's keep it that way.

[Comrade Ben]

The NSA has special programming (or atleast used to) that allowed it so that when certain phrases where said, (IE Bomb, assasinate, kill, in combination with public official, President, etc. ) The rest of the conversation would be recorded, and put into a file, then it would be read over within the next 6 hours, thus they don't need to listen to every conversation, just the ones that are deemed as a threat. Also, any insurgent/terrorist code words that are learned are constantly added to this list, so avoid using them!

[hemybel]

Originally posted by Organic [email protected] 2 2006, 06:16 PM
use a damn pay phone.
Like the mob does?



Because you made a phone call!!!! (Enemy of the State)

be careful they might see you in 7-11 security cam...

[Commie Rat]

goddamn you clown penis anarchy you got me all friggin paranoid
fuck you
i hate you

[somebodywhowantedtoleaveandnotcomeback]

Originally posted by Comrade [email protected] 30 2006, 01:15 AM
The NSA has special programming (or atleast used to) that allowed it so that when certain phrases where said, (IE Bomb, assasinate, kill, in combination with public official, President, etc. ) The rest of the conversation would be recorded, and put into a file, then it would be read over within the next 6 hours, thus they don't need to listen to every conversation, just the ones that are deemed as a threat. Also, any insurgent/terrorist code words that are learned are constantly added to this list, so avoid using them!
You mean Echelon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON) ?

[Hegemonicretribution]

There is a genuine reason for much of this board to be paranoid, and that is drug use. There are many people here that use controlled/illegal substances, and even if it is just pot you have to watch out.

A while back I was fairly heavily into the scene, and I got out when the paranoia got too much. Within 6 months four of my friends had been busted. Three of them were dealing, but were lucky to get caught with small ammounts, phones had been used to help track them.

Some of the keywords include street slang, so even code is not safe. Doing everything face to face is ideal, but not practical, especially for the business man, but even for your average Joe Toker. There is a large element of risk involved, and you have to accept that.

With regards to action, it might just be where I live, but there is never any reports of busts. Anything I have planned to a certain side of the law is done so in person, if with anyone else's knowledge at all. I guess this is because I never plan large scale stuff, but even if I did I would try my best to avoid phones.

[YSR]

Anyone know how/if cell phones are tracked as easily?

[RNK]

Use those new throw-away phones. They are pre-activated and come with a limited-time usefullness, which means, you don't have to activate it. You just pick it up in a store like you would some bubblegum, open it, turn it on, and you're good for however many minutes of talk-time they come with. No bills to trace, no activation accounts, no credit cards (unless you buy it with a credit card), etc.

[chebol]

They can still trace the signal, and tap into the content of the covnersations.

I grew up with ASIO phone-taps. As far as I'm concerned, let them try. The point is to convince the masses of people of our politics, not just avoid the "men in black".

And, for what it's worth, the organisation I'm in was infiltrated by ASIO a couple of decades ago. We found out when the person involved spilled the beans.

Why? Because they had become convinced of our politics.

It's important to get out of the conspiratorial frame of mind, and into the mass movement one.

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

Originally posted by [email protected] 5 2006, 11:12 PM
Use those new throw-away phones. They are pre-activated and come with a limited-time usefullness, which means, you don't have to activate it. You just pick it up in a store like you would some bubblegum, open it, turn it on, and you're good for however many minutes of talk-time they come with. No bills to trace, no activation accounts, no credit cards (unless you buy it with a credit card), etc.
Where have you seen those for sale? How much were they?

[drain.you]

Here is what I know about phone taps in the UK and other survillance

-It is only legal to tap a housephone if the Home Secretary allows it, though I think its more of his/her office rather than him/her personally.
-There is nothing to stop any government agency tapping a mobile phone connection.
-Government scans emails for key words.
-Government can open any mail without informing the person its going to.

I'm quite paranoid about being watched/listened to.
I'm paranoid that my pc is monitored.
I'm paraiod that my mobile phone constantly records/relays noise it detects to a government agency.
I'm paranoid that my mail is read.
I'm paranoid that someone reads things I throw away (notes, letters, bank statements).
I'm increasingly paranoid that tvs have a camera in them which can watch people infront of them.
I'm paranoid my bank account and online purchases are watched by government agency.
I'm certain there are government agents on RevLeft and reading my posts

I know I'm over reacting and such but I'm by no means a technophobe, I just see that its possible and fear the government as an all powerful body that has the potential to spy on me. I'm not doing much if anything criminal so I hope I have no reason to fear it. It just gives me the creeps.

[razboz]

I think its rather important to ask oneself exactly why they would be monitoring you. Or anyone for that matter. Does it fit with their capitalist/fascist plans? Does it make good buisness sense to monitor every single citizen, or even those who are deemed potentially subversive? Does it not make better sense to just leave the little subversives alone, to give them excuses to cut wages, or fire people pretexting that the little communists have already gained so much the state is virtually socialist already.