The Real Cuba?

[Qwerty Dvorak]

http://www.therealcuba.com/

Any truth in this?

[Jadan ja]

Go to the humor section (after seeing the humor section you will most likely realize that the site should be ignored). You will see that the person who made the website simply hates Castro and Cuba and that things that he is saying should not be taken seriously. This is simply propaganda. I dont know a lot about Cuba, but there are facts about success of Cuban healthcare and education.

I can go to any country in the world, find places that look ugly (there are some in every country), take pictures of them and make a website about failure of that country.

[CommunismForever]

Hello Comrade,

The website is no doubt biased to be pro-US and it tries to pass off Castro as some monster-which is obviously not true. Healthcare and Education are of a very high standard(and free) although the Education system is underfunded.

But lets be serious Cuba today should not be held up a great model to be copied, it is too Dictatoral and the society has always been run from the top down as a Dictatorship although Castro is definately NOT a Tyrant because the people seem to support him.
Their is a lack of food and most people live without electricity or heating. Not to mention the sexual tourism that is now promoted in order to bring in much needed money.
I think they relied on Soviet support for too long and didnt develop a coherant front with other Third-world nations that they could have developed stronger ties with and trade links with. As Che Guevara was trying to do.

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

Here's the truth: http://www.cubatruth.info

[Marxist]

that´s some hard pro-us garbage! :!:

[Jadan ja]

This retarded site is really disguisting propaganda. The "sad people" section shows best how retarded is the author of the site. Those people look really normal, not sad, not happy, the way people look on the street. But he is trying "show the world how bad Castros socialism is" by pictures of normal people. (In the background, some people are smiling!)

To destroy his "argument" it is enough to go to Cuba and ask people to smile and take pictures of them and make a site "Cubans are happy" with more photographies than his site.

This site reminded me how retarded fanatical haters of socialism can be!

[Wanted Man]

That's hilarious. It's Cuban exile talk of "under Batista it was paradise, but then the evil Castro took over, nobody liked him but he magically took power because he's evil!"

[Forward Union]

Slightly off-topic, but some relevant information...

Cuban Anarchists speak out (http://libcom.org/news/article.php?story=05/04/27/7152643)

[redstar2000]

Originally posted by RedStar1916
Any truth in this?

Only by accident. :lol:

http://www.websmileys.com/sm/cool/123.gif

[Vallegrande]

Just read their feedback and see how much bias is in it. Near the end the only real arguments are in Spanish, which I can't read as accurately. The last post he is basically yelling his stance in capital letters.

[Publius]

Wouldn't be any poisoning of the well going on in here, would there be?

[Emperor Sam]

The "Real Cuba" will occur when the US liberates the nation from it's tyranical oppression and installs a democratic government friendly to US interests, perhaps allowing for full annexation within the next 20-30 years.

Additional Latin American proxy states are key contituents of 21st century American foreign policy objectives, especially with communist regimes in Venezuela and the emerging Argentina seeking to compromise the US sphere of influence in the region.

[bezdomni]

You clearly have no concept of the following words:
Tyranny
Democratic
Socialist
Communist
Liberates
Oppression


It is therefore no shock that your idea of desirable foreign policy is immature and centered entirely on the monroe doctrine.

The government in Venezuela is democratic and opposes US intervention. What if the democratic governments in South America don't want to protect the US?

The US protecting its interests in the world have so far ended up with the bloodiest totalitarian dictatorships in history. A good example is Pinochet.

[Emperor Sam]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2005, 12:40 AM




The US protecting its interests in the world have so far ended up with the bloodiest totalitarian dictatorships in history. A good example is Pinochet.

You clearly have no concept of the following words:
Tyranny
Democratic
Socialist
Communist
Liberates
Oppression

Sir, I have quite a clear comprehension of the definition of these above mentioned words. It is you who does not.


It is therefore no shock that your idea of desirable foreign policy is immature and centered entirely on the monroe doctrine.

I'm not invoking the monroe doctrine, don't put words in my mouth.


The government in Venezuela is democratic and opposes US intervention. What if the democratic governments in South America don't want to protect the US?

What are they going to protect us from? They are the ward of the US, no the other way around. Any lack of cooperation would be against their interests.


The US protecting its interests in the world have so far ended up with the bloodiest totalitarian dictatorships in history. A good example is Pinochet.

It also ended up with the defeat of the Nazis, of fascism, of communism, and of several oppressive regimes aroungd the world.

However, you only seem to want to emphasize the negative. A little more honesty would help your debate.

[bezdomni]

Sir, I have quite a clear comprehension of the definition of these above mentioned words. It is you who does not.
Using complex grammar doesn't compensate for a lack of understanding. Your interpretation of these concepts (especially say...communism) is incredibly skewed. I don't say this to attack your intelligence, only to inform you.


It also ended up with the defeat of the Nazis, of fascism, of communism, and of several oppressive regimes aroungd the world.

The Nazis were eliminated by the allied powers (which included the Soviet Union).

Stalin was begging for the rest of the allies to open up a second front ages before operation overlord. It was actually the Soviets who captured Berlin.

I believe "communism" still exists in China, Vietnam, Korea and Cuba. Hence the quotation marks. It also seems like "communism" in China has gone to the direct benefit of US companies.

Every country has communists (and fascists). The ideas certainly haven't been defeated.

[Emperor Sam]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2005, 01:19 AM



Every country has communists (and fascists). The ideas certainly haven't been defeated.

Using complex grammar doesn't compensate for a lack of understanding. Your interpretation of these concepts (especially say...communism) is incredibly skewed. I don't say this to attack your intelligence, only to inform you.

You of course understand that all of these terms are subject to interpretation and application of historical realities. I can just as easily accuse you of a lack of understanding. It simply depends on your experience and worldview. Neither one of us can really be proven wrong. I would say that actual history is on my side when I employ these terms. Real world history always trumps your utopian theory.


The Nazis were eliminated by the allied powers (which included the Soviet Union).

Stalin was begging for the rest of the allies to open up a second front ages before operation overlord. It was actually the Soviets who captured Berlin.

I agree. However, this doesn't conflict with my claim. (side-note: I agree that the Soviets needed help in the east long before they stopped the nazis, and in the end they did a great job by themselves. However, the U.S. was unavailable because we were already fighting on a second front in the Pacific. And, unlike the Allies in Europe, the US had very little help. The US was the only nation to fully commit to both major theaters, and in one of those theaters the US was all but alone.


I believe "communism" still exists in China, Vietnam, Korea and Cuba.

Yes, there are some holdouts, but it is a waning ideology. China's communism is a very light version nowadays. They are much more interested inh their relationship with the US than they are other communist nations. As a competing ideology to free market capitalism, it is for all intents and purposes defeated.


Every country has communists (and fascists). The ideas certainly haven't been defeated

Thats true, no Idea can be. However, the ideas are no longer major considerations when mankind considers means for profgreess on the geopolitical front.

[poetofrageX]

Originally posted by Emperor [email protected] 28 2005, 01:07 AM


The government in Venezuela is democratic and opposes US intervention. What if the democratic governments in South America don't want to protect the US?

What are they going to protect us from? They are the ward of the US, no the other way around. Any lack of cooperation would be against their interests.

Against their interests? The U.S. has a history(pre-Castro Cuba, pre-Sandanista Nicaragua) of installing military dictators in Latin America, military dictators who play lapdog to the U.S.'s economic policies. This inevitably leads to poverty in those Latin American countries. The US-supported dictators do not allow their contries to industrialize, and send their raw goods to the US to be manufactured, and the manufactured goods are sold back to these Latin American countries at much higher prices. This certainly benefits American buisinessmen, but who does it help in Latin America? Besides the military dictators, i mean.

your belief that all of Latin America should be the US's playground is the very definition of imperialism. You clearly suffer from a reactionary, nationalistic supperiority complex, as if everyone in Latin America is worthless unless they are your factory slaves. You are clearly delusional.

[CubaSocialista]

Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2005, 02:01 PM
That's hilarious. It's Cuban exile talk of "under Batista it was paradise, but then the evil Castro took over, nobody liked him but he magically took power because he's evil!"
What makes it PARTICULARLY hilarious is that I've seen FAR WORSE poverty in parts of the US, Mexico, Dominican Republic, Bahamas, etc.

Not to mention most of these cubans appear moderately well fed, and in clean clothes, apparently able to have crutches, etc.


The "swimming pools for cubans" are just cubans swimming in lakes and puddles. This happens all over the world. Cuba is better than many of those places.

And according to one picture of the "sad cubans" (just selective photography of anyone frowning) Cuban 20 year olds can afford thongs, which are a modern fashion accessory.

[Columbia]

:P

It is an honest, straightforward view of Cuba.

Truth hurts, don't it.

[Intifada]

The most pathetic attempt at criticising Cuba.

[Fidelbrand]

http://www.therealcuba.com/Splashbanner20.JPG

Wooo...... SCaRY CLaW~~ I'm peeing my pants. http://www.seniorencafe.nl/news/gfx/emoticons/icon_cry.gif

(haha... give me a break. :D )

[CubaSocialista]

Originally posted by [email protected] 24 2006, 05:40 PM
:P

It is an honest, straightforward view of Cuba.

Truth hurts, don't it.
An honest, straightforward view of Cuba?

Sure, I'll go take pics of US slums, US punks vandalizing, and toilets that aren't flushed and make site "the Real America"


It's horse shit. What is in Cuba is impoverished, but they are the fortunate ones in the third world.

[MeTaLhEaD]

Originally posted by Jadan [email protected] 26 2005, 08:19 AM
Go to the humor section (after seeing the humor section you will most likely realize that the site should be ignored).
I agree

[Columbia]

:lol:

What is in Cuba is impoverished, but they are the fortunate ones in the third world.


THAT IS ONE OF THE FUNNIEST LINES YET WRITTEN AT REVOLUTIONARY LEFT DOT COM.

[Noah]

hat is in Cuba is impoverished, but they are the fortunate ones in the third world.

And you think Cuba is better under American imperialism? What Cuba has now under the current government is better than any corporate American-backed Government.

Cuba is ex-colonial and if compared to other ex-colonial countries it is much more well off.

[Comrade Hector]

Originally posted by Emperor [email protected] 28 2005, 12:39 AM
The "Real Cuba" will occur when the US liberates the nation from it's tyranical oppression and installs a democratic government friendly to US interests, perhaps allowing for full annexation within the next 20-30 years.

Additional Latin American proxy states are key contituents of 21st century American foreign policy objectives, especially with communist regimes in Venezuela and the emerging Argentina seeking to compromise the US sphere of influence in the region.
Don't you mean when the US installs another puppet dictator similar to Batista or some other pro-US cuttroats similar to the Taliban? Annexation of Cuba? Idiots like you need to stop with all this bullshit talk of "freedom"! Dumbasses like you have proven to me and everyone on this board that American "freedom" is in actuality SLAVERY! American slavery is on its last leg, you will see.

Venezuela's Hugo Chavez is a left-wing populist not a Communist, you dumb conservative. He did not rid Venezuela of its ruling-class, he just challenged the US colonialism. Its further proof that red-white-blue know absolutely jack shit about Communism. To you Communism is just a word, a label on those who challege the slavery of the US sphere.

[kitty3katts]

Just a question....but when was the last time that any of you spent any REAL time in Cuba outside of a resort???

[red team]

Originally posted by [email protected] 26 2006, 07:21 PM
:lol:

What is in Cuba is impoverished, but they are the fortunate ones in the third world.


THAT IS ONE OF THE FUNNIEST LINES YET WRITTEN AT REVOLUTIONARY LEFT DOT COM.
It seems that it really depends on your definition of fortunate. There are super wealthy people in third world countries that are quite fortunate in comparison to the rest of the population, but that doesn't mean I have to respect these wealthy fortunate parasites. What besides being decadent socialites do these people materially or intellectually contribute to the society? Absolutely nothing.

[kingbee]

Originally posted by [email protected] 26 2006, 07:21 PM
:lol:

What is in Cuba is impoverished, but they are the fortunate ones in the third world.


THAT IS ONE OF THE FUNNIEST LINES YET WRITTEN AT REVOLUTIONARY LEFT DOT COM.
You obviously haven't witnessed any good humour, then.

[Communism=Utopia]

its funny the things you guys say, i want to do a poll, and tell me who of you have been, even less LIVED in Cuba or any communist totalitarian regime and experienced first hand the actualisation of such governments as Castro's......

its one thing having all these Che lovers talking bullshit from a capitalist democratic country, saying how much they hate it, and saying how much they love the things Che did, and how great the Cuban regime and revolution is, but its another living there buddy, experiencing it first hand.....

ill tell you one thing, if you all thing its all propaganda and you guys hate the systems you probably live in, why dont you guys start being actual men and standing by your beliefs, and move to Cuba, North Korea, Laos, or Vietnam, lmao

thats what i thought.......not such a great feeling now is it? lmao :lol:

[somebodywhowantedtoleaveandnotcomeback]

So how does it feel to be retarded? :lol:

[Communism=Utopia]

hahahaha, see what i mean ^^^^^

thank you for proving me even RIGHTER!! (if that word excists?lmao)

RETARD!!!

[somebodywhowantedtoleaveandnotcomeback]

Righter? :lol: Nope, they don't come any "righter" than you. Just like they don't come any "lefter" than me. :lol:

[BillHicks]

On my last trip to Cuba last spring I dropped off some reams of paper, pens, pencils etc to the local school in the village down from my resort and I can say for a fact that at least as far as what would be to us grade 8, these kids are being taught at a level far above what we were/are at their respective ages.

These kids were doing discrete logic and algebra I only encountered in university, and while I wasn't familiar with a lot of the literature they had the kids reading it was quite clear that even at their young age they were being engaged with ideas and implications of post-colonialism.

So is the Cuban education system better than the one I grew up on? Absolutely, though I (un?)fortunately havent had much interaction with the Cuban health system besides the nurse on the resort telling my stupid ass to head down to the ocean to disinfect my dirty wounds that I'd opened up in a motorcycle accident (but that's another story....and yes, I know how cliched and pretentious to take off on a bike through Cuba wearing a Che t-shirt LOL)

[Communism=Utopia]

dude, hahahahahahaha, i was refering to you proving me correct, i do hope that you understood that..... :D

lefter? lol, so im rightist? :lol:

[Communism=Utopia]

BillHicks, hahaha you actually took a bike ride in Cuba with a Che shirt? lmao, you are lucky you were a tourist, i can tell you that much , trust me on this one.....

anyways, yeah, the educational system as well as the health system is very good, i would probably say one of the best in Latin America no doubt on that i accept that fact, but like i said before in a previous post, what is this all good for? when you can't even really study what you want to, and when there is no medicine to even cure a cold?

ill give you examples, do you know how the educational system of Cuba works? ok well first you take an exam, previous to this exam you have to have chosen 5 careers you would like to study, depending on what grade you got on the exam , the career is assigned to you, so usually whoever does really good gets the best careers, like medicine etc....wow, thats really fair right lol

and, also, i know this lady who her dad had just had a stroke, we were in a small town, there was something called a "policlinico", which is like a medical ward the size of a house, and there they saw what was wrong with you , and if you were in bad shape they would send you to the nearest hospital 45km away...of course thats if you could get there, anyways the policlinico had like 2 old russian medical station wagons, because they dont have buses or even vans, lol, and one did not work, and the other there was not enough gas to go for 45 km, so the poor woman with her dad had to carpool,(very common in Cuba), well, she was only able to carpool halfway to the hospital, until her father died in her own arms.....

as i write this i can't help but remember how i felt at that moment, i feel really sorry for the people of Cuba, such lively and wonderful people, and at the same time i have this feeling of rage for whats going on.....

thats all i want to say thank you....

[red_orchestra]

i know this lady who her dad had just had a stroke, we were in a small town, there was something called a "policlinico", which is like a medical ward the size of a house, and there they saw what was wrong with you , and if you were in bad shape they would send you to the nearest hospital 45km away...

I've seen MANY MANY examples like this in the USA. Your point is....

[Communism=Utopia]

lmao, ohh really? well ok let me refrase that, when i said a small town, i meant it was like 10000 people or so (im used to the big city), i didnt mean a ranch in freaking North Dakota ok dude......yeah sure i mean, it could happen in the US too, but not alarmingly as much as it does in Cuba, i mean please dude, i lived it, i just can't imgining seeing the things that happen there here in America, its just not possible, even the poorest here, has more things than the richest there....the people live with this "interest" fact, because they have nothing....i mean thousands of "balseros", the people who throw themseleves with damn truck tires at sea can't be wrong man, either Cuba has the highest percentage of mentally ill people in the world, or there is something seriously wrong with their government and the way they live their lifes.....ummm yeah, i think ill go with the latter thank you

[Entrails Konfetti]

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2006, 05:54 AM
and, also, i know this lady who her dad had just had a stroke, we were in a small town, there was something called a "policlinico", which is like a medical ward the size of a house, and there they saw what was wrong with you , and if you were in bad shape they would send you to the nearest hospital 45km away...of course thats if you could get there, anyways the policlinico had like 2 old russian medical station wagons, because they dont have buses or even vans, lol, and one did not work, and the other there was not enough gas to go for 45 km, so the poor woman with her dad had to carpool,(very common in Cuba), well, she was only able to carpool halfway to the hospital, until her father died in her own arms.....
And you think the embargo against Cuba has nothing to do with all of this?

So the only conclusion to why that country is so poor is because of the government lead by Castro?

[kitty3katts]

BillHicks....That was a foolish thing to do...cleaning your dirty wounds in the seawater. Do you have any idea what's in the water?? Why do you think they tell you not to drink the water there unless it's bottled?? Whenever one goes to Cuba they should bring their own firstaid kit....including sterile saline.....

Transportation is a whole other story......I've taken the local transportation a couple of times....not again. I'd rather pay the few pesos to take a bicitaxi/horse and buggy....

Over the last 5 years I&#39;ve spent a lot of time in Cuba and NOT at resorts/hotels so I&#39;ve lived like Cubans because I&#39;ve lived with Cubans... <_<

[FULL METAL JACKET]

^ Did you stay with a Cuban family? Or was it your family? When I went to Europe a Belgian family sponsored my stay and it was great. I learned many things from them.

[kitty3katts]

I stayed with my husband and his family....Cubans aren&#39;t allowed to have foreigners stay in their home unless the foreigner is family....and in that case they need an A2 (family)visa....otherwise the fine is very stiff. Foreigners can stay in casa particulars (as long as the casa is legal) with a tourist visa...

[Egroj]

I have been to Cuba many times and I can tell you that those who still think that Cuba is a communist country don&#39;t have any idea of what they are talking about.
Castro has become a multimillionaire doing business with foreign companies that are exploiting the workers.
Castro is a fascist that is portraying himself as a communist to dupe people like those who are posting here.
He is taking you guys for a ride :)
I visited the website that you mentioned at the beginning of this thread and I can tell you that it shows the reality of what Cuba is today, a place where foreigners are kings and locals are treated worse than animals. I have visited some of those hospitals where Cubans are treated and any pet hospital in Europe, Canada or the US with such lack of hygiene would be shut down.
Anyone should be ashamed to be supporting such a fascist dictator.
And regarding Che, he has become Castro&#39;s Mickey Mouse. You can buy anything from t-shirts to toilet paper with Che;s face on it. It is a disgrace&#33;

[Communism=Utopia]

hahahahaha ^^^

i can&#39;t agree with you more Egroj.....i was in Varadero, and the cuban people cannot&#33;&#33;&#33; come into a hotel, EVEN IF IT IS A FRIEND&#33;&#33; this is more than fascism, this is just donwright i dont know what to call it, i mean can you believe that in your own country, tourists have more rights than you?? i still can&#39;t figure out how some people can see that there is nothing wrong with that, and keep supporting El Shit Guevara and Castro

[Egroj]

They support Guevara and Castro because they don&#39;t know who else to support.
The whole communist empire came falling down on top of their heads and if they accept the fact that Castro is a fascist disguised as a communist, these poor fellows wont have anyone to support.
In the meantime, they wil keep buying Che&#39;s paraphernalia and Castro will keep laughing all the way to the bank.
What a bunch of fools&#33; :D

[somebodywhowantedtoleaveandnotcomeback]

Originally posted by [email protected] 5 2006, 05:09 AM
hahahahaha ^^^

i can&#39;t agree with you more Egroj.....i was in Varadero, and the cuban people cannot&#33;&#33;&#33; come into a hotel, EVEN IF IT IS A FRIEND&#33;&#33; this is more than fascism, this is just donwright i dont know what to call it, i mean can you believe that in your own country, tourists have more rights than you?? i still can&#39;t figure out how some people can see that there is nothing wrong with that, and keep supporting El Shit Guevara and Castro
Yeah, because that&#39;s exactly what Guevara wanted... :rolleyes:

[FULL METAL JACKET]

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2006, 06:37 PM
I stayed with my husband and his family....Cubans aren&#39;t allowed to have foreigners stay in their home unless the foreigner is family....and in that case they need an A2 (family)visa....otherwise the fine is very stiff. Foreigners can stay in casa particulars (as long as the casa is legal) with a tourist visa...
Damn so the possibilities of me hanging out with the locals is very slim? There is no point in going to Cuba if you can&#39;t interact with the people.

[Egroj]

Originally posted by FULL METAL JACKET+Mar 5 2006, 05:05 PM--> (FULL METAL JACKET &#064; Mar 5 2006, 05:05 PM)
[email protected] 4 2006, 06:37 PM
I stayed with my husband and his family....Cubans aren&#39;t allowed to have foreigners stay in their home unless the foreigner is family....and in that case they need an A2 (family)visa....otherwise the fine is very stiff. Foreigners can stay in casa particulars (as long as the casa is legal) with a tourist visa...
Damn so the possibilities of me hanging out with the locals is very slim? There is no point in going to Cuba if you can&#39;t interact with the people. [/b]
Castro doesn&#39;t want to &#39;contaminate&#39; his people with any virus brought by foreigners, such as knowledge of what is happening outside of Cuba; how the rest of the world lives; what workers are paid and what benefits they are entitled to in other countries, etc.
Did you know that access to the Internet is illegal in CUba and that there is a Cuban independent journalist on a hunger strike right now demanding access to the web?

[FULL METAL JACKET]

^ Yeah I heard about that. They need permission before they can access the internet or even buy a computer. There must be a huge underground black market because of it.

But how can they keep such close tabs? Let&#39;s just say am walking in Havana and I stop to talk to a girl and she invites me to visit her family. Can the cops actually stop me before talking to her, am I not allowed to go with her?

[Communism=Utopia]

well im not so sure on that FULL METAL JACKET, probably not, but im positive you cannot take her to your hotel, she will defenitaly not be allowed to enter, simply because she is CUBAN , lol

FULL METAL JACKET, you have to understand that these people are eager, they are just dying to learn, but they can&#39;t, and the only turists that can interact with them in the manner that you speak off, is their relatives who come from abroad, because they bring enough remitances and income to the country....

[FULL METAL JACKET]

Well that really does suck. Because I want to see for myself how Cubans are living and what do they think about the situation and meet many locals. Am not going to go to Cuba on a five-star hotel with a golf course, I couldn&#39;t even live with myself if I did that knowing how people live over there. There has to be a way though to interact with the people while "obeying" the rules.

[Communism=Utopia]

ohh yeah yeah i mean where are you from? are you european? do you stand out a lot? if you are from a latin country than maybe you can get around the system more, and interact more you know what i mean? maybe you can disguise yourself as a cuban lol, hehehe na but seriously, the situation will become obvious to you once you get yourself to the streets, im telling you, i mean from the start when you reach the airport you will be asked to rent the cars all the service crap offered to tourists, dont take any of it and just take the cuban service, take for example personal taxies that cubans own that take you around, and then ask the cab driver stuff about how he feels etc..he might tell you the bare truth or he might be scared and tell you that it aint that bad, but seriously the situation is apparent on the people, the streets, the houses everything , it looks almost like Africa, i mean expect to see everything on the website some noobs in here say is not true, because i lived in Cuba and i can tell you it is the truth my friend, that website doesn&#39;t lie

[FULL METAL JACKET]

Well am from New York, my parents are from the Dominican Republic so yeah I look Dominican. I am fluent in Spanish as well. Hopefully I can go soon but first I want to get my citizenship in Dominican Republic, so I can get a passport. I have to use my future Dominican passport because if I use my U.S one I can get a huge fine. I don&#39;t want a &#036;7,000 dollar fine when I come back.

[KC]

Well am from New York, my parents are from the Dominican Republic so yeah I look Dominican. I am fluent in Spanish as well. Hopefully I can go soon but first I want to get my citizenship in Dominican Republic, so I can get a passport. I have to use my future Dominican passport because if I use my U.S one I can get a huge fine. I don&#39;t want a &#036;7,000 dollar fine when I come back.

Yeah. Kinda funny how the US is supposed to be the "freest" nation on earth yet you aren&#39;t allowed to travel where you want. Some freedom. :lol:

[FULL METAL JACKET]

Originally posted by [email protected] 5 2006, 02:32 PM

Well am from New York, my parents are from the Dominican Republic so yeah I look Dominican. I am fluent in Spanish as well. Hopefully I can go soon but first I want to get my citizenship in Dominican Republic, so I can get a passport. I have to use my future Dominican passport because if I use my U.S one I can get a huge fine. I don&#39;t want a &#036;7,000 dollar fine when I come back.

Yeah. Kinda funny how the US is supposed to be the "freest" nation on earth yet you aren&#39;t allowed to travel where you want. Some freedom. :lol:
I don&#39;t see how any of that is funny. Please don&#39;t think for one min. the Cuban people are just as free as us. They have a large amount of travel restrictions as well.

[Communism=Utopia]

dude its just Cuba, Afghanistan, and Iraq, chill, the US has hostilities towards Cuba, it doesn&#39;t want its people to go there, i mean you can but like he said you would get a fine, im sure we are not the only developed country that has "coutnry" sanctions...

so yeah FULL, if you look dominican thats fine, you can probably get around the system, but hey listen just wait for Fidel to get out thats the best , cuz damn having to get a dominican passport just to go to cuba lol, btw i have been to the dominican republic, looks like cuba, nice people, i was in punta cana awsome resort...

[FULL METAL JACKET]

I can go to the Cuba with my U.S passport but that "special permission" shyt takes too long to get. Am already entitled to my Dominican citizenship so I might as well get that. Yeah D.R has nice people, it&#39;s the same all over Latin America, a lot of nice and humble people.

[Communism=Utopia]

hey FULL, i suggest you go to China, maybe you should go to China first, and then to Cuba, its gonna fuck with your mind how different they are, if your a communist, and your interested in studying it or w/e , these two places are very interesting to visit because they are at both sides of the spectrum, plus China is fucking awsome man....best place iv ever visited in my life....

[red team]

A single person determines the course of history. :lol:

You think Castro or Che can determine how the economy goes anymore than Bush can. :lol:

[kitty3katts]

Originally posted by [email protected] 5 2006, 03:44 AM
hahahahaha ^^^

i can&#39;t agree with you more Egroj.....i was in Varadero, and the cuban people cannot&#33;&#33;&#33; come into a hotel, EVEN IF IT IS A FRIEND&#33;&#33; this is more than fascism, this is just donwright i dont know what to call it, i mean can you believe that in your own country, tourists have more rights than you?? i still can&#39;t figure out how some people can see that there is nothing wrong with that, and keep supporting El Shit Guevara and Castro
That all depends.....My husband and I have stayed at a couple of resorts....as long as we produce our marriage certificate, my passport and his ID card...he can stay.....but I will have booked him to stay at a hotel with me through my travel agent. Same thing if we are staying at a casa as well. If the couple aren&#39;t married then they can stay at a casa but both parties have to register with the owner of the casa. The police generally won&#39;t bother you if you talk to someone on the street unless the Cuban is known to police as a jinitero/a.....

[popensprofet]

Originally posted by [email protected] 26 2005, 01:16 PM
http://www.therealcuba.com/

Any truth in this?
Haha much propaganda there. I live in Sweden which is one of the greatest democracy societies in the world if you trust united nation reports.

Think we have about 18 000 humans who doesn&#39;t have any own house, they live on the street with no money. I can take pictures of them and put on my website, does it create any real picture of the life in Sweden?

[Loknar]

Certainly this website is bias against Castro. It&#39;s probably those Cubans in Miami...all they do is sit around and ***** because Batista isn’t around anymore.

Anyway, that being said, while Cuba excels in education and healthcare, i dint think people can deny that there is repression there.

I am sure there are no more firing squads but certainly an author couldn’t criticize Castro.

[S G-Bang]

Cuba is great. If it wasn&#39;t great I doubt all those people would be risking death to escape. :lol:

Cuba is a complete hellhole.

Long live the embargo.

[Oh-Dae-Su]

what good is education when you can&#39;t really major in what you desire, what good is health care when there isn&#39;t even penicillin to take a shot? anwser me that?

[S G-Bang]

Originally posted by [email protected] 17 2006, 07:21 PM
Certainly this website is bias against Castro. It&#39;s probably those Cubans in Miami...all they do is sit around and ***** because Batista isn’t around anymore.

Anyway, that being said, while Cuba excels in education and healthcare, i dint think people can deny that there is repression there.

I am sure there are no more firing squads but certainly an author couldn’t criticize Castro.
they excel in NOTHING.

I love the people of the Caribbean. It&#39;s time to free the Cubans.

[Loknar]

What the fuck are you talking about Bang? I may be a filthy cappie but at least I am not blinded by propaganda.

Castro is a piece of shit. However, what do you want? Do you want Cuba to go back to the good ole days where people worked on sugar plantations and only %40 of the population could read?

Here is what Cuba has...everything a person needs. Not wants, needs. We as Americans really don’t know the difference.

And read the fucking CIA world fact book and check their literacy rate if you don’t believe me. And go check why their healthcare system is #1 in latin America. And tell me why they produce more doctors per capita.

hell as must as I hate that fat fuck Chavez in Venezuela, just look at how Cuban doctors helped out the poor there.

[Intifada]

Originally posted by [email protected] 19 2006, 08:40 AM
What the fuck are you talking about Bang? I may be a filthy cappie but at least I am not blinded by propaganda.

Castro is a piece of shit. However, what do you want? Do you want Cuba to go back to the good ole days where people worked on sugar plantations and only %40 of the population could read?

Here is what Cuba has...everything a person needs. Not wants, needs. We as Americans really don’t know the difference.

And read the fucking CIA world fact book and check their literacy rate if you don’t believe me. And go check why their healthcare system is #1 in latin America. And tell me why they produce more doctors per capita.

hell as must as I hate that fat fuck Chavez in Venezuela, just look at how Cuban doctors helped out the poor there.
Shit&#33;

Is that really you Loknar&#33;?