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which doctor
22nd December 2005, 16:53
Stalin's half-man, half-ape super-warriors
CHRIS STEPHEN AND ALLAN HALL

THE Soviet dictator Josef Stalin ordered the creation of Planet of the Apes-style warriors by crossing humans with apes, according to recently uncovered secret documents.

Moscow archives show that in the mid-1920s Russia's top animal breeding scientist, Ilya Ivanov, was ordered to turn his skills from horse and animal work to the quest for a super-warrior.

According to Moscow newspapers, Stalin told the scientist: "I want a new invincible human being, insensitive to pain, resistant and indifferent about the quality of food they eat."

In 1926 the Politburo in Moscow passed the request to the Academy of Science with the order to build a "living war machine". The order came at a time when the Soviet Union was embarked on a crusade to turn the world upside down, with social engineering seen as a partner to industrialisation: new cities, architecture, and a new egalitarian society were being created.

The Soviet authorities were struggling to rebuild the Red Army after bruising wars.

And there was intense pressure to find a new labour force, particularly one that would not complain, with Russia about to embark on its first Five-Year Plan for fast-track industrialisation.

Mr Ivanov was highly regarded. He had established his reputation under the Tsar when in 1901 he established the world's first centre for the artificial insemination of racehorses.

Mr Ivanov's ideas were music to the ears of Soviet planners and in 1926 he was dispatched to West Africa with $200,000 to conduct his first experiment in impregnating chimpanzees.

Meanwhile, a centre for the experiments was set up in Georgia - Stalin's birthplace - for the apes to be raised.

Mr Ivanov's experiments, unsurprisingly from what we now know, were a total failure. He returned to the Soviet Union, only to see experiments in Georgia to use monkey sperm in human volunteers similarly fail.

A final attempt to persuade a Cuban heiress to lend some of her monkeys for further experiments reached American ears, with the New York Times reporting on the story, and she dropped the idea amid the uproar.

Mr Ivanov was now in disgrace. His were not the only experiments going wrong: the plan to collectivise farms ended in the 1932 famine in which at least four million died.

For his expensive failure, he was sentenced to five years' jail, which was later commuted to five years' exile in the Central Asian republic of Kazakhstan in 1931. A year later he died, reportedly after falling sick while standing on a freezing railway platform.

Original Story Here (http://news.scotsman.com/international.cfm?id=2434192005)

I would have to oppose this, it's just another reason to oppose Stalin. It would however be interesting to see how these creatures turned out.

Luís Henrique
22nd December 2005, 17:20
As a matter of fact, had already chosen the name for such "race", they would be called "orcs".

I told Yosip to stop reading those Tolkien books...

Seriously, there are more than enough reasons for us to despise and hate Stalin (Probably, the best of them is, he was one of the greatest slainers of Communists ever). Do we really need to add bourgeois fantaisies to those reasons?

Luís Henrique

Wanted Man
22nd December 2005, 20:33
According to Moscow newspapers, Stalin told the scientist: "I want a new invincible human being, insensitive to pain, resistant and indifferent about the quality of food they eat."
WHICH Moscow newspapers? This doesn't tell me a bloody thing, for all I know the "Moscow newspapers" could be tabloids that regularly feature UFOs over Siberia.


In 1926 the Politburo in Moscow passed the request to the Academy of Science with the order to build a "living war machine". The order came at a time when the Soviet Union was embarked on a crusade to turn the world upside down, with social engineering seen as a partner to industrialisation: new cities, architecture, and a new egalitarian society were being created.
Says who? Same with the rest of the article. It just states random "facts" that don't mean anything. Ah well, still funny to see "communists" jump on the scraps the bourgeoisie throw them as if it was a delicious meal. Maybe someday The Scotsman will write an article on how Krushchev became fat because he ate too many deep fried Mars bars.

Xvall
22nd December 2005, 22:47
Stalin was crazy but he wasn't stupid. I say this is BS.

which doctor
22nd December 2005, 23:11
Regardless of whether it was true or not, it was meant for a joke.

ComradeOm
22nd December 2005, 23:41
Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2005, 10:47 PM
Stalin was crazy but he wasn't stupid. I say this is BS.
I don't know. There was a big craze for this sort of thing back then. People imagined that it would be possible to create "super soldiers". Hell, some still do.

It would certainly be a new twist on New Soviet Man ;)


Mr Ivanov was now in disgrace. His were not the only experiments going wrong: the plan to collectivise farms ended in the 1932 famine in which at least four million died.
Are they blaming this guy for the failure of the entire Soviet agricultural program? :unsure:

JKP
23rd December 2005, 01:41
Soviet policy was nationlization not collectivization.

Don't Change Your Name
23rd December 2005, 04:33
Hilarious.

"I want a new invincible human being, insensitive to pain, resistant and indifferent about the quality of food they eat."? :lol:
How would crossing apes and humans create such people?

This is just too ridiculous (and funny) to be true.

which doctor
23rd December 2005, 04:42
For his expensive failure, he was sentenced to five years' jail, which was later commuted to five years' exile in the Central Asian republic of Kazakhstan in 1931. A year later he died, reportedly after falling sick while standing on a freezing railway platform.

You have to enjoy the irony in that though.

Wanted Man
23rd December 2005, 06:49
Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2005, 11:41 PM

Mr Ivanov was now in disgrace. His were not the only experiments going wrong: the plan to collectivise farms ended in the 1932 famine in which at least four million died.
Are they blaming this guy for the failure of the entire Soviet agricultural program? :unsure:
Well, most history books tell us it was entirely and personally Stalin's fault, they might as well say something different for a change.

Guerrilla22
23rd December 2005, 08:01
I don't know if this is true or not, however I can say that the US probaly was involved in the same type of program if indeed true.

Atlas Swallowed
23rd December 2005, 10:50
If Stalin were still alive he could clone my father in law and have his monkey men.

sovietsniper
23rd December 2005, 15:14
This was in The Sun newspaper (U.K)

Luís Henrique
23rd December 2005, 17:55
Since when are apes indifferent to pain? :blink:

Luís Henrique

sovietsniper
24th December 2005, 12:31
When there a figment of stalins imaginathion.

Clutch
26th December 2005, 09:40
Half-man half-ape soldiers? The U.S. already has 'em, they're called "Marines." :D

Severian
26th December 2005, 11:51
Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2005, 05:41 PM

Mr Ivanov was now in disgrace. His were not the only experiments going wrong: the plan to collectivise farms ended in the 1932 famine in which at least four million died.
Are they blaming this guy for the failure of the entire Soviet agricultural program? :unsure:
No. Read. They are describing other things happening around the same time.

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"According to Moscow newspapers" can mean "someone made this up on a slow news day." Anybody remember the dog-eating squirrel article?

Certainly some worthless pseudoscience was promoted by Stalin's regime (http://skepdic.com/lysenko.html), and scientists sent to the gulag for opposing it. But I think something more solid would be needed to confirm this story.

Alleline
26th December 2005, 13:12
This story originated in a Russian tabloid. Certainly not a reliable source.

More details here (http://www.politicsforum.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=51125).

Rage Against Ur Ma
26th December 2005, 14:18
I want superwarriors, me and big J have something in common afterall.

PsychOtiC
28th December 2005, 19:24
This just as well may be another article to hate Stalin...
...Stalin did nothing good (or very little good) so I don't care much about these articles...

syme
4th January 2006, 23:08
Originally posted by [email protected] 23 2005, 08:12 AM
I don't know if this is true or not, however I can say that the US probaly was involved in the same type of program if indeed true.
the US has done some crazy-ass shit (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MKULTRA), so its possible they tried

all that aside, I think its just a joke.

Andy Bowden
4th January 2006, 23:32
Stalin wanted half man half ape superwarriors? Shit I want half man half ape superwarriors! Who wouldnt?

:lol: :lol:

ReD_ReBeL
5th January 2006, 00:42
haha i doubt it but it wouldent surprise me , he was a power-mad dictator and a **** at that. whatever made Russia the biggest super-power in the world i garantee he would do, no matter what expense of life he would do it.

Comrade Yastrebkov
6th January 2006, 20:57
Originally posted by [email protected] 5 2006, 12:53 AM
haha i doubt it but it wouldent surprise me , he was a power-mad dictator and a **** at that. whatever made Russia the biggest super-power in the world i garantee he would do, no matter what expense of life he would do it.
Thats an intelligent comment. <_<

Shredder
6th January 2006, 22:21
I guess Stalin isn&#39;t as bad as I thought, I can&#39;t believe I didn&#39;t think of this idea sooner. I would like to place an order for 4 million monkey men ready by the 15th please.