Reflections on the Overthrow of Communism

[Zeitgeizt]

The most balanced account - the most brilliant insight - I urge everyone to take the time and listen. Especially Redscare2000. Michael Parenti is worth everyone's full attention. For those of you who think Leninists can’t be critical of the Soviet Union, or for those of you who are Trots, and think everything was the fault of Stalin...listen to this. You may find you agree with many of the arguments made. Parenti doesn't claim to have the definitive word, but in my opinion it's close enough.


Part 1 (36 mb):

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Part 2 (21 mb):

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[redstar2000]

That would be a massively time-consuming download for me...so I'll have to pass.

If you really want people to read what he has to say, why not listen to it yourself and carefully transcribe it word for word. Then you can post it here for our comments.

No one here would dispute that all of the Leninist regimes were "progressive" by contrast to their predecessors.

Parenti has evidently devoted his energies to the refutation of some of the more grotesque bourgeois "accounts" of those regimes.

All well and good...but essentially irrelevant to contemporary controversies over the revolutionary utility of Leninism.

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[Zeitgeizt]

All well and good...but essentially irrelevant to contemporary controversies over the revolutionary utility of Leninism.

On the contrary, that's how I feel about Chomsky, and if anyone is weak on theory it is Chomsky - Turning the Tide was a joke. Read Parenti's Blacks Shirts and Reds...Chomsky had no comment.

[Zeitgeizt]

It's about an hour-long lecture, and unlike Chomsky, or Zinn - he doesn't sing you to sleep.

If you don't have time to download it, or don't have the technology, then don't download it...What are you some kind of megalomaniac that you needed to tell me that you couldn't download it?

Most people would have no problem. You just wanted to throw some of your ideas on my post. Let those who listen comment, and then join in with your barrage of unfalsifiable wisdom.

Actually, just leave this post alone. Let others have a chance to express their ideas before you go ape shit about the role of the evil state. We all understand your theory - it is not that we don't understand it - we Leninists simply don't agree with it.

[redstar2000]

You seem to be under the misapprehension that I am some sort of "fan" of Noam Chomsky.

Quite the contrary...

Clueless Chomsky (http://www.redstar2000papers.com/theory.php?subaction=showfull&id=1084200223&archive=&cnshow=headlines&start_from=&ucat=&)

You also seem to think that if you "talk tough", I'll "leave you alone".

No. :lol:

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[violencia.Proletariat]

since when was a capitalist revolution communist?