Propaganda-isms

[VonClausewitz]

Now, we all experience this in our daily lives correct ?

We all like to objectively weigh and discuss each side of an argument, before believing what one side has to offer, correct ? . No, there are a lot of people, from either end of the spectrum, who will see one poster/shirt/flag/article, and that's it, they're sold. No objective debate within themselves, the propagandists win.

Is this particularly useful to the world ?, This instant belief ? No, it frankly borders on the idiocies of religious 'take it on face value/he said it, thus it's true'. I have, as some will gather from other topics, a great capacity for seeing both sides of the same argument, allowing me to develop fairly balanced views. For example, I have several Jewish friends, and a couple of far-righties, both groups having different views on the same subject - Holocaust. Now, to cut a long story short, I got hold of some traditional history books, some right-wing docu-vids, and watched both sides of the argument.

Right, now, how many of you people have the capacity and fortitude to do that yourselves ? I present now four sites,one dealing with one of the holy-grails of this site, and the other with a pressing world issue. Who can give me a fairly balanced analysis of the situations based on both sources, not just what one coughs up ?

Pro-Cuba page (http://www.freepeoplesmovement.org/cuba/index.html)
Pro-Palestine Page (http://www.palestinecampaign.org/)

Pro-Israel Article + Video (http://www.protestwarrior.com/newsletters/08_14_05.php)
Anti-Cuban Healthcare page (http://www.therealcuba.com/Page10.htm)

Now, by all means dispute the sources, who the sources were written by, and for what purpose, that's the point of this. Don't on the other hand, just see the title at the top of a page (I used a well-written article from a site called protestwarrior for one of the sources), and dismiss the source out of hand, the world doesn't work like that, you have to deal with what you are given.

For the record, I have no real opinion on either of these topics, but I know many of you do, so I thought It'd be interesting to see what kind of ideas this gets going.

[Forward Union]

This thread is boring.

I made my political conclusions based on emperical facts.

[RebelOutcast]

Heh, Additives, I've noticed that empirical is your new favourite word.
This thread is boring, and for the record, I don't think anyone will care that this'll be your last topic for a while so you don't have to worry about people worrying.

[VonClausewitz]

Additives Free - So what empirical facts would you take in those situations ? Just one set ? Both sets ? you managed to give the most vague answer I've heard to any question anywhere.

RebelOutcast - If you aren't going to contribute anything other than arsekissing, don't waste bandwidth eh ? The thread was intended for people to discuss how they go about proving, forming and using opinions. I take it by your non-response you're one of these mindless sloganeers yes ?

[RebelOutcast]

May I ask what exactly is the point of this thread?
What aims did you have in mind when writing it?
Because as far as I can see you haven't asked explicitly for any type of response and because of that this thread is totally worthless and a waste of server space and bandwidth.

[Forward Union]

Originally posted by [email protected] 20 2005, 05:36 PM
Additives Free - So what empirical facts would you take in those situations ? Just one set ? Both sets ? you managed to give the most vague answer I've heard to any question anywhere.


Now this sounds like a cliché, but yea its my life story. I spent the first 12-13 years of my life completely submerged in Liberal-catholic "propaganda", went to church, when to a catholic school, and yet concluded the complete opposite to what I was taught in terms of morality and Political beliefs. When I was old enough to express myself coherently, I just got called a communist, not even knowing what the word meant.

When you say "No objective debate within themselves, the propagandists win" well the complete opposite is true in my case, I was taught not to question, to follow Gods good grace and accept that money and capitalist economics are the only practical way of running things. This logic was all I knew. And despite that, their teachings simply caused me to hate my surroundings more, and at this point i'd never been in contact with left-wing propaganda.

When I say I came to my conclusions based on empirical facts, I mean that my political beliefs are my beliefs, I thought them up myself, and later found they were already packaged and defined. Granted, all beliefs are inspired in some way, and as I've grown older I have evolved my beliefs slightly, but this has been based on rational argument. A world away from "religious 'take it on face value/he said it, thus it's true'" idiocies.

This threads boring because it meant I had to briefly sum up my life. And no ones gives a shit.

[CrazyModerate]

Originally posted by [email protected] 20 2005, 05:36 PM
Additives Free - So what empirical facts would you take in those situations ? Just one set ? Both sets ? you managed to give the most vague answer I've heard to any question anywhere.

RebelOutcast - If you aren't going to contribute anything other than arsekissing, don't waste bandwidth eh ? The thread was intended for people to discuss how they go about proving, forming and using opinions. I take it by your non-response you're one of these mindless sloganeers yes ?
The fact that the entire goal of unfettered capitalism is to ensure some people are rich and some people are poor.

[Guerrilla22]

All governments spin events and facts to make themselves look better, most media outlets are biased and do the same thing to help perpetuate their politcal line, its a fact of life.

[Ele'ill]

the world doesn't work like that, you have to deal with what you are given.


No, the world doesn't work like THAT.

I'm fairly left reguardless of my label on this site as restricted member, and I find Indymedia.org to be disgustingly biased. I can look at it to basically see what's going on and then down play what they're saying on their site in my head. Other left sites that I find 'ok' is GNN and infoshop (which is also like indymedia but it has so many neat little links to things that look cool)