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VonClausewitz
18th December 2005, 18:14
By Ian Youngs
BBC News entertainment reporter

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Unauthorised guitar tabs and other musical scores are widely available
The music industry is to extend its copyright war by taking legal action against websites offering unlicensed song scores and lyrics.

The Music Publishers' Association (MPA), which represents US sheet music companies, will launch its first campaign against such sites in 2006.

MPA president Lauren Keiser said he wanted site owners to be jailed.

He said unlicensed guitar tabs and song scores were widely available on the internet but were "completely illegal".

Mr Keiser said he did not just want to shut websites and impose fines, saying if authorities can "throw in some jail time I think we'll be a little more effective".

Bitter battles

The move comes after several years of bitter legal battles against unauthorised services allowing users to download recordings for free.

Publishing companies have taken action against websites in the past, but this will be the first co-ordinated legal campaign by the MPA.

The MPA would target "very big sites that people would think are legitimate and very, very popular", Mr Keiser said.

"The Xerox machine was the big usurper of our potential income," he said. "But now the internet is taking more of a bite out of sheet music and printed music sales so we're taking a more proactive stance."


Music publishers and songwriters will consider all tools under the law to stop this illegal behaviour
David Israelite
National Music Publishers' Association
David Israelite, president of the National Music Publishers' Association, added his concerns.

"Unauthorised use of lyrics and tablature deprives the songwriter of the ability to make a living, and is no different than stealing," he said.

"Music publishers and songwriters will consider all tools under the law to stop this illegal behaviour."

Sandro del Greco, who runs Tabhall.co.uk, said the issue was not serious enough to warrant jail time and sites like his were not necessarily depriving publishers of income.

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"I play the drums mainly but I play the guitar as well. I run the website and I still buy the [tab] books," he said.

"The tabs online aren't deadly accurate so if someone really wants to know it they'll buy the book.

"But most of the bands I listen to don't have tab books to buy so if you get them online, that's the only way you can really learn it unless you work it out yourself."

The campaign comes after lyric-finding software PearLyrics was forced off the internet by a leading music publishing company, Warner Chappell.

'No alternative'

PearLyrics worked with Apple's iTunes, searching the internet to find lyrics for songs in a user's collection.

"I just don't see why PearLyrics should infringe the copyright of Warner Chappell because all I'm doing is searching publicly-available websites," PearLyrics developer Walter Ritter said.

"It would be different if they had an alternative service that also provided lyrics online and also integrated [with iTunes] like PearLyrics did. But they don't offer anything like that at all."

A Warner Chappell statement said the company wanted to ensure songwriters were "fairly compensated for their works and that legitimate sites with accurate lyrics are not undermined by unlicensed sites".

"We have requested that PearWorks provide us with information regarding the sources of their lyrics, and have further asked that they discontinue the service if these sources are operating without a licence."

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Personally, I think that this is utterly pathetic, one can understand stopping people stealing the music via P2P and all that, but stopping people playing their favourite songs ? ridiculous.

Publius
18th December 2005, 20:27
I agree. Copyright laws suck.

Government issued copyrights.

Capitalist Imperial
18th December 2005, 21:29
Shouldn't there be protection for intellectual property?

VonClausewitz
18th December 2005, 21:33
There should be indeed, but what harm does a kid learning the guitar to his favourite songs do to anyone ?

ÑóẊîöʼn
18th December 2005, 21:36
This is stupid. What are they going to do next, go after people who whistle the tunes or sing the lyrics to popular songs on the way to work? This is tantamount to what they're doing.

Tyler Durden
18th December 2005, 23:07
WTF? This is so lame... so stupit I would almost call it a joke! :blink:


U can go to the libery (where they have music books by artist with taps) and copy them...

Clarksist
18th December 2005, 23:16
Originally posted by Capitalist [email protected] 18 2005, 03:29 PM
Shouldn't there be protection for intellectual property?
Hmm... I would just have to say no.

Knowledge does nothing for anyone when its chained up. "Intellectual Property" is the worst idea since capitalism. You're telling me that if someone creates a medicine that cures AIDS, they should be able to keep a monopoly on it until their copyrights end?

Publius
19th December 2005, 00:19
Shouldn't there be protection for intellectual property?

Depends.

Lyrics--words--don't warrant IP, I don't think.

If you invent a product or something, yeah, IP can be good.

If you write a song, than no, you don't deserve any IP protection.

Remember the role of IP: To encourage creativity.

Do you honestly think people would stop writing songs if they didn't own the IP?

More importantly, who cares?

How you can 'protect' something that anyone with ears can decipher?

Is my deciphering of their lyrics an infringement? Of course not.

If I tell the lyrics to someone, or sing them myself, am I infringing?

What about if I publish them on a website?

It's bullshit any way you look at it.

See, with music you can claim the recording is your property, and you're right, but the composition is what I have a problem with.

Publius
19th December 2005, 00:21
This is stupid. What are they going to do next, go after people who whistle the tunes or sing the lyrics to popular songs on the way to work? This is tantamount to what they're doing.

It is.

The recording is the only thing they should be allowed to own; not the composition.

Capitalist Imperial
19th December 2005, 00:52
Well, certain websites that feature lyrics and/or tabulation realize advertizing revenue. Is this OK?

Publius
19th December 2005, 00:53
Well, certain websites that feature lyrics and/or tabulation realize advertizing revenue. Is this OK?

Sure.

Capitalist Imperial
19th December 2005, 00:55
I wholly disagree that songwriting should not be protected. While we agree of course on the recording itself, no one should be able to profit from any constituent of the song without paying licence fees.

I'm not talking about printing lyrics from liner notes and giving them to my buddy, I'm talking about lyric websites that charge a fee or yield advertising revenue.

Publius
19th December 2005, 02:39
I wholly disagree that songwriting should not be protected. While we agree of course on the recording itself, no one should be able to profit from any constituent of the song without paying licence fees.


Any constituent?

Even like a cord?



I'm not talking about printing lyrics from liner notes and giving them to my buddy, I'm talking about lyric websites that charge a fee or yield advertising revenue.

What's the difference?

JKP
19th December 2005, 03:12
Intellectual property is a state enforced monopoly incompatible with a free market system.

Publius
19th December 2005, 20:03
Intellectual property is a state enforced monopoly incompatible with a free market system.

Pretty much.