V for Vendetta [Archive]

loveme4whoiam

26th February 2006, 16:37

I was watching the trailers thinking that. It doesn't have a huge political message aside from "The Government is EVIL!!!" which, while good, doesn't further us. Still, it looks like a pretty cool action film regardless of its politics (or lack thereof), and the fact that Natalie Portman is in it. She's in my top three list of people who royally fucked up the new Star Wars films (pride of place, of course, goes to George "Padme's dead? Nooooooo" Lucas).

Anyways, I'll definitely be urging my friends to see V For Vendetta, it'll be a good springboard for anarchist discussion and conversion :D

The Grey Blur

4th March 2006, 22:45

The comic = teh shit

Body Count

5th March 2006, 01:17

From what I understand........he's out for revenge against the state and thats it.....

I heard that the comic has little to do with anarchy and more to do with terrorism and whats acceptable violence.

Ol' Dirty

5th March 2006, 04:05

Looks cool, but it's ironic that WB is making it.

violencia.Proletariat

5th March 2006, 04:24

Originally posted by [email protected] 26 2006, 01:05 PM
it'll be a good springboard for anarchist discussion and conversion :D
Yeah right! The day hollywood starts making anarchism more appealing than real anarchists do, is the day I shoot myself.

anomaly

5th March 2006, 07:29

Looks like a good anti-authoritarian flick. I'm definitely seeing it.

red_orchestra

5th March 2006, 20:15

I will certainly watch it....

Hampton

5th March 2006, 20:39

I heard that the comic has little to do with anarchy and more to do with terrorism and whats acceptable violence.

In the book, V, the guy with the mask is an anarchist and does certain actions against a big brother type government with saving the life of a girl who will take up after him.

The comic is fabulous.

CCCPneubauten

5th March 2006, 20:48

Isn't the tagline from Ludwig Von Meis?

"People shouldn't be afraid of their government, government should be afraid of their people"

Cult of Reason

6th March 2006, 23:47

If the film is anywhere near as good as the book I will be very satisfied when I see it: I have just finished reading the comic. Good thing I am not living in London, else I would be held charged with trying to blow up the commons.

"Remember, remember, the fifth of November..."

Commie Rat

7th March 2006, 11:33

V for Vandalism?

that band is pretty sweet.

Also i highly doubt that this will have and serious disscussion in it, probably dumbed down and with most of the real anarchist euphemisms replaced with ones about how violent and angry they are

Niall

7th March 2006, 11:35

i'll see it when it comes out i think

BattleOfTheCowshed

7th March 2006, 16:43

The comic is awesome and does feature some anarchist ideas. Its kinda 1984 + an anarchist version of the Gunpowder Plot or something, I guess. Who knows what the movie will be like, trailer looks good though.

Punk Rocker

8th March 2006, 01:45

Looks cool to me.

Djehuti

11th March 2006, 23:09

The graphic novels are great, and while the movie won't be as political and deep in its critique as the graphic novels, it still seems like a really cool movie. I'm sure its very entertaining, it will be the cinema for this one.

vox_populi

15th March 2006, 10:35

It will premiere in Sweden the 17th March...I Just got tickets to see it tomorrow :P
I'll write a review on friday :D

Peace Out

vox_populi

17th March 2006, 13:06

I saw V for Vendetta last night at a sneak preview.
And I loved it!
Brilliant acting from Hugo Weaving! And Portman wasn't so bad either.
The movie is a uncompromisingly revolutionary. And clearly stated that violence directed at a fascist goverment should be celebrated and not condemned.
One funny thing is that in "V's" introduction he mentions Vox Populi :D
He also says that A revolution without dancing isn't for him...I don't remember wich user had that in his signature :P

I don't want to say to much because I think that everyone should see it...but i'll make a spoiler thread when I have the time where we can discuss some cool scenes.

Watch it!

Peace Out

Djehuti

17th March 2006, 16:46

He also says that A revolution without dancing isn't for him...I don't remember wich user had that in his signature :P

The anarchist feminist communist Emma Goldman once said: "If I can't dance to it, it's not my revolution". ;)

I have not seen the movie yet, but it seems great! Unfortunatly, this monologe from the series does not seem to be included in the movie:

V (speaking to a statue of Lady Justice): Hello, dear lady. A lovely evening is it not? Forgive me for intruding. Perhaps you were intending to take a stroll. Perhaps you were merely enjoying the view. No matter. I thought it was time we had a little chat, you and I.

Ahh…I was forgetting that we are not properly introduced. I do not have a name. You can call me V. Madam Justice…this is V. V…this is Madam Justice. Hello, Madam Justice. “Good evening, V.”

There. Now we know each other. Actually, I’ve been a fan of yours for quite some time. Oh, I know what you’re thinking…”The poor boy has a crush on me…an adolescent infatuation.” I beg your pardon, Madam. It isn’t like that at all.

I’ve long admired you…albeit only from a distance. I used to stare at you from the streets below when I was a child. I’d say to my father, “Who is that lady?” And he’s say, “That’s Madam Justice.” And I’d say, “Isn’t she pretty.”

Please don’t think it was merely physical. I know you’re not that sort of girl. No, I loved you as a person. As an ideal. That was a long time ago. I’m afraid there’s someone else now…

“What? V! For shame! You have betrayed me for some harlot, some vain and pouting hussy with painted lips and a knowing smile!”

I, madam? I beg to differ! It was your infidelity that drove me to her arms! Ah-ha! That surprised you, didn’t it? You thought I didn’t know about your little fling. But I do. I know everything! Frankly, I wasn’t surprised when I found out. You always did have an eye for a man in uniform.

“Uniform? Why, I’m sure I don’t know what you’re talking about. It was always you, V. You were the only one…”

Liar! Slut! Whore! Deny that you let him have his way with you, him with his armbands and jackboots! Well? Cat got your tongue?

Very well. So you stand revealed at last. You are no longer my justice. You are his justice now. You have bedded another. Well, two can play at that game.

“Sob! Choke! Wh-who is she, V? What is her name?”

Her name is Anarchy. And she has taught me more as a mistress than you ever did. She has taught me that justice is meaningless without freedom. She is honest. She makes no promises and breaks none. Unlike you, Jezebel. I used to wonder why you could never look me in the eye. Now I know.

So goodbye, dear lady. I would be saddened by our parting even now, save that you are no longer the woman that I once loved.

loveme4whoiam

17th March 2006, 18:03

Wow. Impressive speech. That dude is ker-way-zee.

I'm going to see it on Wednesday, I've sorted out an outing of about twenty friends :). Hopefully this will make my friends more receptive to my sleight-of-hand Communist seduction :D

vox_populi

17th March 2006, 18:29

Hehe They've toned down the crazyness in the movie...and the've toned down the anarchist tendensies also...but still...you're friends will never give you a hard time for defending violent revolutions again :D

Hehe I might have been to optimistic in my interpetration...I really wanted it to be a socialist movie...so I might have interpreted some elements of the movie incorrectly just so it would fit my ideals more...but I think that i was correct in most of my analyzis :P

It's still a great movie!

anomaly

18th March 2006, 03:19

I'd say your analysis was quite correct. While the movie does mention "anarchy in the UK" at one point, it is, of course, up to one's interpretation as to whether this was an 'anarchist film'. But, tell your friends when you see it to look for some anarchist stuff...it's in there, and it's impressive.

The movie is a fantastic revolutionary statement...also, and vox populi probably knows what I'm talking about, British comrades will especially like the ending...

YSR

18th March 2006, 06:42

I think it's well done from the Wachowski's perspective. They are quite good at toning down the anarchism. They mention it infrequently, despite its obvious significance. The examples I found were: quoting Goldman, "anarchy in the UK" (not a particularly positive reference, however, in the context of the shot), and the rather overt symbol for V, which looks like an anarchy sign upside down. Indeed, the symbol for the bad guys are the colors red and black.

Which I think is a good thing. It may allow (some) people to watch the film and agree with it without branding it some radical claptrap out of hand.

I think we must be careful not to overstate its importance: it is, remember, just a movie. But media of any type has a VERY strong impact on our culture and I'm very much looking forward to tomorrow's response by the mainstream media. I doubt it will be positive. Newsweek already wrote a review panning the movie. I plan on writing them a letter (doubtful that it will be printed, of course) because their review was almost entirely bashing the implication of the film, not the film itself. Hopefully even they can understand how idiotic of a reason that is to so entirely reject the movie.

Either way, I really hope that this may engage a few young liberals (maybe even a conservative or two) to rethink their opinions. They may find the V word--violence--in the course of change a little less repugnant. I'm hoping to gain a few comrades by this whole affair.

Red Leader

18th March 2006, 16:38

I just saw the film last night, really enjoyed it. It was far better than the other comic book movies out there, it actually had depth, and was believable, as opposed to a guy gets superpowers from being exposed radioactivity or something. It got really bad reviews from critics however and i dont know why.

Although it was just a movie, and the majority of the population wont get its political intentions, and see it only as a cool action film, thats still fine by me. At least it is impacting some people, unlike a lot of the crap that is in theatres these days.

YKTMX

18th March 2006, 16:45

Originally posted by Red [email protected] 18 2006, 04:41 PM
I just saw the film last night, really enjoyed it. It was far better than the other comic book movies out there, it actually had depth, and was believable, as opposed to a guy gets superpowers from being exposed radioactivity or something. It got really bad reviews from critics however and i dont know why.

Although it was just a movie, and the majority of the population wont get its political intentions, and see it only as a cool action film, thats still fine by me. At least it is impacting some people, unlike a lot of the crap that is in theatres these days.
I haven't seen it yet, but I disagree with your claims about the critical reaction.

The film has an average of 'B', which is good, across the major media outlets, according to Yahoo movies.

http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/1808632423/critic

I'm looking forward to seeing it.

The Wachowskis are the most radical mainsteam moviemakers in the world, and I fancy Natalie Portman something awful.

Red Leader

18th March 2006, 18:14

Hmm...well the reviews that i read in the newspaper weren't tht great. I think they were mainly commenting the cheesyness some scenes. (kissing a mask? That was wierd.) But all in all, it was a fantastic movie.

Oh, and your right about natalie portman :wub:

Dr. Rosenpenis

18th March 2006, 18:47

I haven't seen the movie, but I dislike the premise. Apparently, it goes something like this... the UK is under a despotic fascist dictatorship which guarantees security in the place of freedom (ring a bell? obviously). The people are all obedient little minions and there is only one man who can save them from tyrany: V. I'm not watching this trash. These guys may be good screenwriter or whatever they do, but they hardly have a grasp of progressive politics.

herr_Nosferatu

18th March 2006, 20:00

I'm one of those seemingly rare ones who hated the matrix...

I saw last V last night... I was shocked by how it just came to me (this film), I hadn't planned to see it, amazed and dazed at how modern and intense it presents the way of our future.

The film is very strong in its message and stands firmly with it. I feared it would become some senseless idiotic film somehow showing the way to a goal is by being polite and sweet, somehow submit to its adversary.. No, it goes all the way with the idea.

An intense breath of fresh air... Much like air, you feel that with such a film (or perhaps before and during the viewing of this film), you've missed something dear to you, and you find back in yourself the sense of hope for the future because not just you feel this same tired frustration in the real state of things.

pandora

18th March 2006, 20:02

I agree with you Alan Moore who I believe wrote this tale is not a politician, rather, he is a man obsessed with super heroes and a talented artist, this is an artistic response to oppression, the need for the individual to imagine putting on tights and righting a wrong, it has nothing to do with real grass roots social change.

However, in such repressive times the media is already saying such things as the movie is of no importance, interesting, they are scared of this one. The reason being is V is a terrorist by this government's definition, yet here is a movie glorifying is resistance against a facist government very close, admittedly even by the New York Times, to the current state of affairs regarding lack of probable cause in holding, detaining, and torturing those who operate against the state.

I look forward to this movie because it is a needed bullet, if you will against facism. If these famous producers can create a movie about a man as a hero who the Bush adminstration would label a terrorist, and it is seen by millions of people, this is step in awakening the masses to the ridiculousness of the anti-terrorism laws, and the creeping facism which is strangling the majority of the 1st world at this time.

Of course it is a vision as was Jennifer Government, but it is lack of appropriate political jargon and the appeal to individualism, that helps individuals who might otherwise be unable to open up to such ideas to see that such ideas are not far from their ideals of freedom and justice from tyranny. If democratic assembly is not emphasized, that is the work of another work of art, this can not be the only shot at so powerful an enemy by the arts.

Cult of Reason

18th March 2006, 20:44

I have just these last ten minutes returned from the cinema where I just saw V for Vendetta, and it is indeed a brilliant film (but, of course, it is inferior to the original).

Also, I think that my having read the comic (for the first time) a few weeks ago has definitely been an enricher for the film (although some of the details are mangled in the film, like it not being 1997, no nuclear war etc.), allowing me to see behind to what is obscured (the Anarchism and so on, though the fact that the monologue with Lady Justice was removed does annoy me a little).

One note, however: I was struck by how empty the cinema was when I went to see it, barely a quarter full when just a day after its release. Is this a dead time to release a film?

YSR

18th March 2006, 21:31

I dunno Haraldur, but it was the same in my theatre. I was really surprised. My friend and I arrived 20 minutes early, expecting not to get in. That doesn't bode well for it.

And Red, at the risk of ruining the movie a little, I think you misunderstand the premise a little bit. The character V acts to wake people up, not do everything himself.

Furthermore, this is a comic book, remember. It's not supposed to be a blueprint for revolution. BUT I think that V is in many ways what we should be here: dedicated to awakening others to their problems and suggesting possible solutions. I do really believe this movie will have strong positive implications.

Punk Rocker

18th March 2006, 22:27

I just saw it, it was prety fucking cool.

The examples I found were: quoting Goldman, "anarchy in the UK" (not a particularly positive reference, however, in the context of the shot).

Sure it was dude, he was taking money from the capitalists.

But I thought it was from the Sex Pistols song.

anomaly

18th March 2006, 23:11

The people are all obedient little minions and there is only one man who can save them from tyrany: V. I'm not watching this trash
I think that it is rather easy to see parallels between this and the modern anarchist situation. Most people are 'obedient little minions', and very few are anarchists. And V doesn't 'save them from tyranny'. The people do it themselves, which is another reason I liked the film.

What V does is get the message out there. The people act upon it.

chimx

19th March 2006, 01:48

lets run down this list...

The movie is extremely critical of british government
Directed by an Irishman
Stars Stephen Rea - and they even knock his irish heritage in the film!
Is about the Catholic freedom fighter Guy Fawkes
AND is released on St. Patricks day

unless you're convinced that is all a coincidence, it is certainly a film for the IRA to love.

Red Sky Revolution

19th March 2006, 02:57

I saw it yesterday...and thought it was great. My and my friend walked out after the movie and it was all we could talk about the rest of the day.

ComradeTom

19th March 2006, 04:37

YES, I WOULD DEF. SUPPORT A MOVIE WHERE A MASKED MAN BLOWS UP INNOCENT PEOPLE!

This movie calls for terrorism against whatever society you think is oppressing you. Terrorism in no way can be justified.

which doctor

19th March 2006, 04:49

Originally posted by [email protected] 18 2006, 11:40 PM
YES, I WOULD DEF. SUPPORT A MOVIE WHERE A MASKED MAN BLOWS UP INNOCENT PEOPLE!

This movie calls for terrorism against whatever society you think is oppressing you. Terrorism in no way can be justified.
I'm guessing you haven't seen the movie at all. I'm almost positive that he doesn't blow up innocent people. Terrorism is prevalent in all societies. I could be called a terrorist because I am mean to some people I don't like.

ps. lay off the caps lock, it just makes you look like an idiot.

Le LibÃ©rer

19th March 2006, 07:05

I just got back from the movie. I was impressed as well. Everyone I know has been raving about it. And yes I also agree, now those around me that saw and loved the movie can quit giving me crap over my politics! My date got a speech all the home.

vox_populi

19th March 2006, 10:52

Originally posted by [email protected] 18 2006, 03:22 AM
also, and vox populi probably knows what I'm talking about, British comrades will especially like the ending...
Hehe! Yep!
That scene is one of the coolest scenes ever :D
When I saw it I felt a chill down my spine of pure pleasure :P

The worst thing about seeing it at a sneak preview was that I had no one to talk about it with!

And V doesn't 'save them from tyranny'. The people do it themselves, which is another reason I liked the film.
I totally agree!

Ligeia

19th March 2006, 13:04

I watched the movie,too.It was really nice but I doubt whether people understand what it is about, not in its depths but even on the surface.

I talked with others who watched it but they didn't understand what V wanted, give a new direction..etc.It was even the way that they associated the dictatorship there with fascism but also with "real socialism"...

Well,anyway....depends how much you pay attention to the dialogues,I guess.

McLeft

19th March 2006, 14:29

I went to see it on Friday, it's an excellent film, I especially likeed the attack on the Conservative Party and how its leader turns into a sort of 21st century Hitler, any ways that's what the Tory government of the 80s stood for, did it not?

vox_populi

19th March 2006, 16:21

I've noticed that alot of brittish comic book writers from the 80's (read some Hellblazer :P) critisizes Thatcher. I guess she showed the people what capitalism really is all about.

violencia.Proletariat

19th March 2006, 18:22

Meh this movie was mediocre action. The references of government killing its own people seemed like they were hinting at september 11th. All in all, its not "revolutionary" nor is it going to get a bunch of people on our side. I dont really want someone who is upsessed with the romantic era representing the left, do you?

Dooga Aetrus Blackrazor

20th March 2006, 00:19

It's an amazing movie with leftist themes, but it is not designed to perpetuate a leftist agenda. It put the left-wing themes in because they were essential to the story, but it isn't going to be converting millions to anarchism. Overall, though, I loved the movie - definately one of my favorites.

Djehuti

20th March 2006, 05:36

V is not a person, he is the faceless resistance of the working class.

violencia.Proletariat

20th March 2006, 05:43

Originally posted by [email protected]r 20 2006, 01:39 AM
V is not a person, he is the faceless resistance of the working class.
Says who? I dont remember anything about him being working class in the movie.

Zingu

20th March 2006, 06:38

The graphic novel was so much better; anarchism in your face.

dusk

20th March 2006, 13:28

I think that I gotta go and see it.

loveme4whoiam

20th March 2006, 21:54

I recently got the comic book collection, and I've got to say - creepy. I', not used to reading comic books so I don't know if that's the general effect of them, but that one is pretty sketchy. The faces of some of the scared characters is pretty haunting... Then again, serves me for reading it at 2AM with the lights off :lol:

Going to see it in two days :D

21st March 2006, 01:34

Eh, i thought the film was pretty dumb. It was basically all of the dumb cheap geeky things that the wachowskis do: overly drawn out slow motion fight scenes, silly martial arts, 'guns, lots of guns', random lesbian scenes, torture scenes mostly just for the hell of it, lots of pretentious dialog from self rightious and overly dramatic characters, all the characters dressed like they're going to a berlin deathmetal club, and so on.

The film's "plot" really came apart i think in the scene where evey learns that V was actually the one who imprisioned her rather than the government. Not only does this make *very little sense*, but its entirely inconsistent with how the film had been edited up to that point. How did V know Evey was staying with the TV comedian guy anyways, how did he know his house was going to be raided on that night so that he'd show up (several minutes after the cops did) in a police outfit to grab Evey...and even assuming that how would he know that the TV guy was killed when they found his copy of he Koran when he obviously wasn't in the house at the time...but the strangest thing was, even if you could believe that Evey somehow didn't catch even a glimps of V behind the lights when they (or rather, apparently V) were integrating her, if V was the one who was holding her the whole time, then who the heck was the guy who shaved her head? That clearly wasn't V as he wasn't horribly burned and disfigured and all and he was seen clearly...so who was that (When Evey finds out that V was holding her, she says 'You cut my hair!', or something to that effect, but he clearly didn't as the guy who cut her hair had normal looking hands and face and V had burned hands in an earlier scene).

And why did the secret police chief guy kill the chancellor anyways? Why would he possibly go along with that?..even if he was actually gullible enough to think that it was in his best interests, why personally deliver him to V? And why didn't guys who the chancellor had bugging the secret police chief's house do anything about it. Where did Evey get all of those roses in the last scene?

the politics aside...the film was quite lame.

emp

22nd March 2006, 20:27

Originally posted by [email protected] 21 2006, 01:37 AM
the politics aside...the film was quite lame.
The movie is about political ideas. I've heard endless nitpicks concerning the plot that fail to grasp this. The most impressively irrelevant was someone complaining that the toilet paper wasn't even singed that had the lesbian's story on it. LOL.

loveme4whoiam

22nd March 2006, 23:29

The storyline of this film does not matter, because what it projects to you so effortlessly and so eloquently is the idea. I can not understand how any person on these forums can dislike this film. Forget the actual politics of the thing, and juts listen to its message. I saw this film half an hour ago and I am still breathing deeply from the ending. Can you not imagine how the ordinary person feels? If they are even remotely aware, they will have been struck by this film.

I cannot praise this film enough.

23rd March 2006, 01:32

Oh please...I appreciated the political allusions to the Bush and Blair administrations but it was a geeky action flim at its heart.

bcbm

23rd March 2006, 02:21

http://www.aforanarchy.com

anomaly

23rd March 2006, 02:27

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2006, 08:41 PM
Oh please...I appreciated the political allusions to the Bush and Blair administrations but it was a geeky action flim at its heart.
One of the best geeky action films I've ever seen! :lol:

timbaly

23rd March 2006, 03:10

I liked the movie. I enjoyed many of the allusions to current political situations, previous books and other cultural icons. The movie itself did not seem that great at first. I liked the idea behind it but it just seemed as if it was poorly executed on screen. In the end the movie got better, but I was unable to point out what exactly Ididn't like in the beginning.

cbm989

27th March 2006, 00:49

This is why i love this movie Corrupt politician-"WHY WONT YOU DIE?!?" V-"Because behind this mask is an idea, and ideas are bullet-proof." *proceeds to kill him* YAY

FinnMacCool

27th March 2006, 02:56

I loved the movie.

One of the things that I'm glad it showed was the idea that a whole bunch of people, with an idea, can make the world a better place. I believe it can happen. Maybe not today, maybe not tommorow, but soon.

Phalanx

27th March 2006, 03:24

The movie was great, I just saw it. My favorite part was the sobbing chickenhawk leader begging for mercy before he recieved his badly-needed bullet.

pandora

28th March 2006, 15:18

Now that I have seen it must say Bloody good job, "Your mother was Irish wasn't she, shame what they did to that country..."

Guerrilla22

28th March 2006, 16:17

It was a very good movie, the script for the movie was altered though to reflect the Bush regime, I'm pretty sure the graphic novel was made in response to Thatcher.

Febod

2nd April 2006, 19:41

Hey, here's something that you guys might find interesting... go to any Objectivist/Rand/Capitalism forum, and you will find that they all loved this movie.

I'm a Randian, but I can appreciate you guys simply because you know that there is something wrong with the world, and something needs to change, and you're not selling out by joining the democrats. However, you're still wrong.

Jesus Christ!

2nd April 2006, 21:31

I saw this last night and it is in my top 3 if not my favorite movie of all time. Outstandingly made and with a great message. If you havn't seen it yet go and see it. If you have seen it you know what I'm talking about.

bcbm

4th April 2006, 07:38

I know this is old, but I wanted to respond to a few points, having seen the movie and read the book.

The film's "plot" really came apart i think in the scene where evey learns that V was actually the one who imprisioned her rather than the government. Not only does this make *very little sense*, but its entirely inconsistent with how the film had been edited up to that point.

I think it makes sense, or at least as much sense as it can when you realize that V isn't entirely sane. She wanted to not be afraid, and V figured the only way to do this would be to recreate the transformation that led him from scared prisoner to insurrectionist.

How did V know Evey was staying with the TV comedian guy anyways, how did he know his house was going to be raided on that night so that he'd show up (several minutes after the cops did) in a police outfit to grab Evey...and even assuming that how would he know that the TV guy was killed when they found his copy of he Koran when he obviously wasn't in the house at the time...

I'll grant that this doesn't make as much sense in the movie as it did in the book. But V does have an intimate knowledge of how their system works and presumably he just followed Evey there and kept an eye on her, perhaps killing one of the cops during the raid and taking his outfit and her. It was poorly constructed, but I think it had to be to show it without ruining the suprise.

the strangest thing was, even if you could believe that Evey somehow didn't catch even a glimps of V behind the lights when they (or rather, apparently V) were integrating her, if V was the one who was holding her the whole time, then who the heck was the guy who shaved her head?

V was apparently good with prosthetics, so the appearance thing wouldn't matter. That's all I can offer on the hands thing as well. I imagine it was just an oversight during shooting.

And why did the secret police chief guy kill the chancellor anyways? Why would he possibly go along with that?

He was next in line for the position of Chancellor and figured he could kill the two people standing in his way in one fell swoop.

And why didn't guys who the chancellor had bugging the secret police chief's house do anything about it.

They didn't know what was going on, because V turned the music on. They also were put there because of something V had said to Finch, the cop.

the politics aside...the film was quite lame.

Before I read the book I liked it a lot, but afterwards I have to agree on some points. I disliked how superheroish they made V. There were some elements of that in the book, but not nearly as much.

Djehuti

28th April 2006, 19:00

Haha, check this out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bb1F-3WguYg...0for%20vendetta (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bb1F-3WguYg&search=v%20for%20vendetta)

Fistful of Steel

28th April 2006, 21:09

I loved the movie on a cinematic movie-going level. The movie suffers in comparison to the comic book on a political level and as a social commentary, but it did pretty well for squeezing a much longer graphic novel on to the big screen. If you felt intrigued by the ideas presented in the movie at all, the comic would be a very worthy supplement.

Led Zeppelin

28th April 2006, 23:12

Saw it a few weeks ago, didn't really leave a notable impression on me.

The only thing that made the movie watchable was the fact that Natalie Portman was in it, I don't want to sound like a superficial shallow guy, but it's the truth, and the movie companies know it. Why the hell would they pick someone like her to play such an in-depth character? Her acting was horrible, her acting in general is horrible (she was good in Leon: The Professional though), she only gets parts like these because of her looks.

bayano

17th May 2006, 03:06

finally got a chance to catch this flick, and it was fun. think it wants to be more cerebral than it is, and on the other hand it could use some more revolutionary action. but most of all was the obvious lack of politics. i dont recall how much anarchism was spoken about in the graphic novel, but in the movie it is said once or twice, and then in montage sequences where it quickly is followed by a statement equating it to chaos, which is not what the vast majority of anarchists desire at all.

there is also the bizarre psycho-sexual conflict in the film, where stripped asway of much politics or hero development on the part of evey, she is abducted and then tortured by V only to fall in love with him. i know im simplifying it a bit, but the movie doesnt make it much more complex than that. and that aspect is fucked up

there could have also been more about how V was influencing people to take spontaneous actions, which culminated in the mass action at the end. but V is even more so in the movie than the comic a sort of typical lone rebel warrior, superpowerful, rather than a member of a greater cause, tho some of the dialogue clearly redeems him.

for popcorn politics with a typical contemporary Bush-focus it was quite good for its purpose, and it is almost astonishing that any right winger walked out of the theater with an image of the movie that glossed over the clearly liberal-anarchistic politics of the movie.

and aforanarchy.org is awesome, better than the movie

a few other flicks

by the way, i have never seen the Matrix flicks, but i have always been in the camp that saw them as sort of ultra-elitist, the kind of bs that only some are endowed with the capacity to fight the system. im sure they had good politics too perhaps, but theyre attitude toward revolutionary struggle seemed messed up. plus, they just looked really boring to me, so i couldnt keep awake if i tried to watch them.

and i have never been a fan of fight club. ultra-machista pseudo-fascist crap. what they did to the finance industry buildings is cool, but ill take a syndicalist union, revolutionary collectives or workers councils to a male-chauvinist authoritarian secret society anyday.

the x-men movies have pleasant politics, but i slept during both of them too. not the same as v, matrix or fight club in terms of being about revolutionary struggle or open rebellion, but still of interest, despite how much they put me to sleep. i bet those movies perspectives on 'multi-culturalism and diversity' issues either piss off the conservatives or go over their heads.

well, those are my thoughts. but id rather watch syriana, which i still havent seen

Delta

28th June 2006, 09:43

For those of you who really liked the movie, the DVDrip torrent is now available for download. It's up on lots of places, like Isohunt (http://isohunt.com) for example. The movie hasn't actually been released on DVD yet :D

ComradeOm

28th June 2006, 19:02

How's the quality?

Delta

28th June 2006, 19:36

Perfect, it's DVD quality, not camera footage. I think the guy that uploads it has early access to titles before they are usually released or something.

Sir Aunty Christ

28th June 2006, 20:25

I'll let you know in about 10 days when my copy's done downloading.

Hmm... Might be sooner, it's down to 9 days now.

Year: 1

28th June 2006, 20:40

I love these freebies. I had bought V from a bootlegger but can't seem to find where I put it. I'm glad to know I have an anti-capitalist method for viewing this film. Thanks for the link

Ander

28th June 2006, 21:13

Exactly what is this bit torrent stuff and how does it work?

Delta

29th June 2006, 00:04

Originally posted by Sir Aunty [email protected] 28 2006, 05:26 PM
I'll let you know in about 10 days when my copy's done downloading.

Hmm... Might be sooner, it's down to 9 days now.
Mine took about 24 hours, but then I have a pretty fast connection.

Exactly what is this bit torrent stuff and how does it work?

A torrent is a type of file format especially suited for large files. What it does is breaks up the file into a bunch of "bits" and then those bits are traded amongst everyone who has them. It goes quickly because those who have rare "bits" mainly distribute those rare bits, and don't waste time on the bits that everyone already has. Here is a Wiki article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bittorrent). It's really quite easy. With bittorrent you can quickly get copies of movies, games, and software.

Delta

29th June 2006, 00:05

It may sound complicated, but it's really no more difficult than it was to download songs from Napster. And I mean that in the literal sense, not some high and mighty computer geek talk. It really is that simple.

Zero

29th June 2006, 00:56

Delta, I'm sure he cares about the technology behind the protocol =P.

Jello:
http://azureus.sourceforge.net (client, must have Java installed)
http://www.torrentspy.com (place to download torrents)
http://www.mininova.org (same)
http://www.torrentreactor.net (same)
http://www.isohunt.com (same)
and my favorite:
http://www.piratebay.org (Avast ye skervy dogs! Yonder is the bastion of seeds! No leechers in sight!)

Delta

29th June 2006, 01:34

Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2006, 09:57 PM
Delta, I'm sure he cares about the technology behind the protocol =P.

Hehe, it's nice to know how things work! :P

Ander

1st July 2006, 06:50

Ok...I tried downloading V For Vendetta on torrentspy twice. I downloaded the torrent (which took like 2 seconds) and then tried to open it but I couldn't.

WTF?

Zero

1st July 2006, 08:13

you have to download Azureus

ComradeOm

1st July 2006, 14:51

Well personally I use BitComet. Any torrent client will do. As I understand it the actual file that you downloaded only contains directions to the data which is scattered across the internet. When you have a client installed it will take the instructions from the downloaded torrent and start downloading the fle proper.

Sugar Hill Kevis

1st July 2006, 15:25

Originally posted by [email protected] 1 2006, 03:51 AM
Ok...I tried downloading V For Vendetta on torrentspy twice. I downloaded the torrent (which took like 2 seconds) and then tried to open it but I couldn't.

WTF?
open it in a torrent client...

you could use any of these:

Azureus (http://azureus.sourceforge.net/) (which I personally feel is the best)
µTorrent (http://www.utorrent.com/) (really small filesize if that attracts you)
Bittorrent (http://www.bittorrent.com/index.html) (the "official" bittorrent client..)

there are tonnes more...

edit: man, just downloaded this in like just over 2 hours... there are thousands of seeders...

Ander

1st July 2006, 19:42

:huh:

....ok.

I will try again.

RebelDog

2nd July 2006, 04:33

My friend downloaded it and we watched it tonight. I was very disappointed in the film. The start was crap the middle was ok and the end was crap. Still it was got for nothing so I shouldn't complain.

Raj Radical

2nd July 2006, 08:37

http://aforanarchy.com/

Good site to show to people who are showing interest in radical politics or have watched V for Vendetta.

Even though the anarchist messege in the book was censored in the movie. Thats why the author didnt want anything to do with the film.

Delta

2nd July 2006, 10:00

Originally posted by The [email protected] 1 2006, 05:34 PM
My friend downloaded it and we watched it tonight. I was very disappointed in the film. The start was crap the middle was ok and the end was crap. Still it was got for nothing so I shouldn't complain.
Did he download the DVDrip version by aXXo, or was it the one that was filmed by a camera inside the theatre? I haven't watched mine yet, so I can't really vouch for the quality of the entire movie, although mine started up nicely when I tested it.

Ricardo

3rd July 2006, 07:50

I think he was talking about the content of the movie being bad, not the quality of the download.

I wish i had a faster computer, i'd download it.

Zero

3rd July 2006, 08:13

It's not about the computer my friend, its about your alloted bandwith.

Delta

3rd July 2006, 09:40

Originally posted by [email protected] 2 2006, 08:51 PM
I think he was talking about the content of the movie being bad, not the quality of the download.

Ahh, yeah, that's pretty obvious on a second glance :blush:

Ander

4th July 2006, 01:22

First I downloaded it on Limewire but it was a porn video. Now I can't do the Bit Torrent shit cause I'm not at my house. But last night on the 9 hour airplane I was on they played V over and over so I watched it about 3 times. So awesome!

nightwatchman

10th July 2006, 16:44

I used Burst Bittorrent and it downloaded in about a day and a half. it was most certainly worth the wait, best movie I have seen in a while. The part near the end, right before the bombing, where everyone protesting wears the mask and cape, is a great show of solidarity, in my opinion.

Delta

11th July 2006, 00:22

Originally posted by [email protected] 10 2006, 05:45 AM
The part near the end, right before the bombing, where everyone protesting wears the mask and cape, is a great show of solidarity, in my opinion.
I especially liked that part as well.

Taboo Tongue

25th July 2006, 18:10

:( You guys will never believe it. I downloade the movie onto a Fat32 hdd (I was using Linux (which owns btw) so I converted my hdds to Fat32 from NTFS (with no data loss)). Unfortuenently Fat32 doesn't support files over 4 gigs. As you may know DVD's tend to be 4 gigs+. My V download was, and even though I backed up a few important files before I tried re-reformating my hdd with V on it, when I was backing up and I saw V I was like "nah it's to big fuck that". Reformatted lost most of my programs and V too. I've ran some recovery programs but none of them seem to find the .rar files of V.

Does anyone know of any recovery programs (Linux or Windows) that can recover .rar files?

Nazi_Punks_Fuck_Off

3rd October 2006, 01:12

Good movie, some nice themes in there... but scarily close to the real world...

RNK

3rd October 2006, 02:08

which doctor

3rd October 2006, 05:21

I didn't really like it. It was one guy having fun while the rest were sitting around watching it unfold on TV. Revolution as spectacle.

The Grey Blur

3rd October 2006, 18:08

Go read the comic book

Lenin's Law

3rd October 2006, 18:41

Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2006, 02:22 AM
I didn't really like it. It was one guy having fun while the rest were sitting around watching it unfold on TV. Revolution as spectacle.
I agree.

Some guy in a mask, blowing things up, with no relationship with the working class, no organization, no nothing; just 1 guy blowing stuff up and making a "revolution"

Yes, the movie makes some good points about the prospect of a fascist state and those points are certainly needed; however, as a tool for educating people on what is to be done in mobilizing and organizing the masses for radical change it is worthless, and perhaps even damaging. For it promotes the idea that people should just wait around for our 'savior" the guy in the mask to come, kick ass, blow crap up, and then good stuff will happen.

If anything , V for Vendetta proves the bankruptcy of Anarcho-terrorism. The Weathermen if they were 1 person and had a cool costume. Individualist terrorist actions do not work in achieving anything in the real world except more and more isolation from the masses and more and more passivity since we are all watching our TVs waiting for one great individual to save us.

In reality, real change is not brought about by one individual, no matter how heroic or brave, but by many, many people organizing every single day and raising the class-conciousness of working people.

Ander

4th October 2006, 02:02

Originally posted by Permanent [email protected] 3 2006, 12:09 PM
Go read the comic book
I agree completely.

While the movie is probably the best butchering of novel-to-film adaptation, it is nothing compared to the graphic novel. The film leaves out and/or changes several key points of the original work and is radically different from the story its based upon.

Good movie, but I definitely recommend for you to read the book.

BreadBros

4th October 2006, 07:51

I believe the film was based on the whole "propaganda of the deed" thing. In the sense that V committed his acts in order to inspire the rest of the populace. Oh well, not the best movie if you're trying to extract Marxist theory from it, but entertaining and one of the few mainstream films that has the balls to insinuate that the government is fascist and openly depict fighting against it in a positive light.

Delta

4th October 2006, 10:22

The only decent part of the movie revolutionary-wise is when the people all march out at the end in solidarity and put their lives on the line for their freedom, or when the neighbors in that one community kill the government agent for killing that girl. Although of course the movie didn't give the impression that these people were planning on restructuring society much more than turning it back into a "democracy" like we have in the US.

Ander

5th October 2006, 02:56

If I recall from the graphic novel, they don't restructure society at all. V was an anarchist, he was trying to destroy the state and keep it that way.

Zero

5th October 2006, 09:38

Everyone, go to www.aforanarchy.com if you want to hear the real story behind V for Vendetta...

Great movie nontheless though.

Angry Young Man

5th October 2006, 14:24

Originally posted by Lenin's Law+Oct 3 2006, 03:42 PM--> (Lenin's Law @ Oct 3 2006, 03:42 PM)
[email protected] 3 2006, 02:22 AM
I didn't really like it. It was one guy having fun while the rest were sitting around watching it unfold on TV. Revolution as spectacle.
I agree.

Some guy in a mask, blowing things up, with no relationship with the working class, no organization, no nothing; just 1 guy blowing stuff up and making a "revolution"

If anything , V for Vendetta proves the bankruptcy of Anarcho-terrorism. The Weathermen if they were 1 person and had a cool costume. Individualist terrorist actions do not work in achieving anything in the real world except more and more isolation from the masses and more and more passivity since we are all watching our TVs waiting for one great individual to save us.

In reality, real change is not brought about by one individual, no matter how heroic or brave, but by many, many people organizing every single day and raising the class-conciousness of working people. [/b]
Surely one person has to start it somewhere, sometime, else people would reamin apathetic.

EDIT:Why did he say that Guy Fawkes was a freedom fighter? He was a Catholic.
And as for everyone sitting on their arses watching telly, that is the first sign of cynicism of the state. Another thing to note is that it is supposed to ba a totalitarian state, so the act of dissent, even though just going to see the HP blown up, was portrayed as an immense act of courage bearing in mind they all faced torture.
To conclude, tis the only film to make me cry from joy and stand up when the HP were bombed! (apart from October 1917 by Eisenstein where they storm the Winter Palace)

subcal

20th November 2006, 10:31

True to form, Guy Fawkes, the only man who entered parliment with honourable intentiosn!

I finally saw the movie the other night, I rate it!

Anton

21st November 2006, 01:17

V for vendetta was fucking awesome

OneBrickOneVoice

24th November 2006, 21:56

Probably the best mainstream movie I've ever seen.

Guerrilla22

24th November 2006, 22:38

The graphic novel was a lot better. The people start rioting at the end of the graphic novel, as opposed to peacefullt resisting in the movie. Any anarchist would love it.

bigscream

7th December 2006, 20:02

i think v was the best film for a stupidly long time! i still watch it once a month or so... the comic is great, and was reluctant to see it when it first came out, as i never imagined how good it could be, and keep the reason for the content. alan moore is wicked, lost girls will be out next year too!
but keeping on the subject of v, my favourite part of the film was the suggestion of governments attacking their own people for their own gain. which i cant believe they got away with!!! class!! there was a lot in there which i bet alot of people didnt want to be there, all the better!!!

The Grey Blur

7th December 2006, 21:41

I don't get what the big fuss is about with this film. Decidedly average.

For the umpteenth time - the comic book is better!!!

Epoche

7th December 2006, 22:56

The effects and the character personality did it.

The fact that he was mutated by the virus experiment and gained faster reflexes as a result was too cool.

And the best touch was his authentic european dialogue. He was a polite intellectual/philosopher of a poet's bent, and had a sense of humor about himself. And that sword work was some of the best I've seen. The fight scenes, although only few, were most excellent.

"Who is but a function of the form, and the form is the mask," or something like that.

"....the paradox of asking a masked man who he is..."

Clever dialogue.

What it needed was less comedy and more fight scenes though.

phasmid

11th September 2007, 02:04

I'm not surprised that I didn't hear much about this movie, considering the fact that some of the ideas it poses can be seen as a direct reference to Americas situation in the past several years. The revolutionary flavour was also enjoyable, but to beat sum up this movie, I would quote it; " Artists use lies to tell the truth, while politicians use lies to cover the truth up."

Faux Real

11th September 2007, 02:10

I imagine there are plenty of threads on it from a year or so ago, they're just hidden back into the depths of the forum.

It was a great movie, but revolved too much about just a one/two individual destruction of the tyrannical government rather than the mass, class struggle--at least until the end.

I have to say, I like Warner Brothers. For a Hollywood company they allow some of the most controversial and revolutionary(overstatement, as this is American media) films to be produced and shown it's a wonder they haven't been steered away by the government.

Mujer Libre

11th September 2007, 04:19

Some links to previous threads on the subject:

V for Vendetta and Fight Club (http://www.revleft.com/index.php?showtopic=63625&hl="v+for+vendetta")
V For Vendetta (http://www.revleft.com/index.php?showtopic=47488&hl="v+for+vendetta")
V For Vendetta- a tool for revolution? (http://www.revleft.com/index.php?showtopic=57204&hl="v+for+vendetta")
Downloading V For Vendetta (http://www.revleft.com/index.php?showtopic=51914&hl="v+for+vendetta")
V for Vendetta interview (http://www.revleft.com/index.php?showtopic=47409&hl="v+for+vendetta")
V for Vendetta (http://www.revleft.com/index.php?showtopic=46599&hl="v+for+vendetta")
V for Vendetta (http://www.revleft.com/index.php?showtopic=44110&hl="v+for+vendetta")

Bilan

11th September 2007, 08:40

Shit. Popular topic.
I enjoyed this film though, despite it rejecting the original anarchist ideas...

Led Zeppelin

11th September 2007, 08:54

I didn't really enjoy this movie. It was very overrated, the "leftist undertones" were pretty much limited to anti-authority stuff, but it was filmed poorly and the entire environment of the movie screamed poor acting.

I only enjoyed Natalie Portman's presence in it.

Labor Shall Rule

11th September 2007, 11:25

It was a remarkable film. I remember watching it with my mom and she walked out of the theatre when V killed the priest.

However, the story was highly unrealistic.

hajduk

11th September 2007, 13:08

MATRIX first part is made revolution
everything after that is just copy of same story
the actor who play main rolle in V is play agent Smith from Matrix :D ironic

Rosa Lichtenstein

11th September 2007, 13:36

Great film, but it panders to the idealist notion that people can be persuaded to rebel by deeds, ideas or just words.

As Lenin said: revolutions happen when ruling-classes can no longer rule in the same old way, and when workers will not allow them to do so.

blackstone

11th September 2007, 14:36

I enjoyed the film, it definitely treaded in the murky waters of idealism. Especially in terms of it's distortion of anarchism. However, the other themes that were expressed in the film i thoroughly enjoyed. :star:

ernesto43

27th June 2008, 17:09

Have you watched '' V for Vendetta'' before ? And what do you think about this film? İs it a succesful film or not?

bluerev002

27th June 2008, 17:36

I like that film. It actually struck me as very well made and integrated the political very well as not to make it overtly-obvious that it was referring to the Bush administration. ONe of my favorites

mykittyhasaboner

27th June 2008, 17:47

that was an outstanding movie. we need 'V' in reality, maybe people will get off their asses and care about their own lives. i love the way he hijacked the tv station and played his criticism of the government all around London.

Kropotesta

27th June 2008, 17:56

Well I did enjoy it, despite the amount of criticism it gets.

Charliesoo

27th June 2008, 17:56

An amazing film.

I loved every minute of it. The movie at parts didn't seem like a movie ... but art.

Beautiful, beautiful movie.

Kami

27th June 2008, 18:35

I highly reccomend reading the comic, anyone who hasn't. It rocks even more.

bcbm

27th June 2008, 19:11

The comic is better than the movie as it actually has to do with anarchism and fascism, which was the intent of Alan Moore, as well as giving the bad characters actual personalities, motivations, families, etc. The movie is basically just a battle between American liberalism and conservatism, albeit through terrorism. I mean, seeing Parliament blow to shit still sent shivers down my spine, but really... read the comic.

Pawn Power

27th June 2008, 19:49

The film was poorly made, seriously.

Random Precision

27th June 2008, 21:52

I enjoyed it on the whole. There were a couple things about it that bugged the hell out of me, like the emulation of Guy Fawkes, who was a reactionary wanting to bring back the Inquisition. And then the idea that one guy, by himself, can sabotage and bring down a fascist regime. I recall liking it a lot more when my politics were less developed. :(

RaÃºl Duke

27th June 2008, 22:46

I liked it...but since I haven't read the comic I can't really compare.

What I did notice is how the movie makes V's politics "ambiguous" (which, I heard, is not so in the comic book).

Interestingly, the movie's TV man (Protero, I think) is similar/characteristic to some right-wing talk show hosts in the U.S. (This, plus the line of thought that the ruling party came to power because of their fear-mongering, is probably where the American conservatism elements show up in the movie, but the rest relies more on fascist imagery and such.).

Even has my politics developed more I still like the movie much the same as the first time I watched it. Although now I wished it actually made some solid mention of genuine anarchism and also that it takes the people to change things.