Why is Religion so Dangerous?

[Martyr]

What I don't get is

"Religion is bad because it provides more suffering"
But the commie leaders provided ten times the amount of suffering

"Religion is to be abolished"
But don't colonial powers strip away tradition and native Religion of the region and impose there own ideologies and government.

"Religion holds people back and thats way communism brings freedom"
Don't people have the right to worship or not and if the so called liberators cared anyhting about the masses they would respect there views and tradition.

I dont want to get into a debate but why is Religion so dangerous and so destructive to human nature?

[Lacrimi de Chiciură]

"Religion is bad because it provides more suffering"
But the commie leaders provided ten times the amount of suffering

Whatever. A secular society doesn't have to be communist. And religion obviously doesn't prevent suffering, as the last 5,000+ years have demonstrated for us.


"Religion is to be abolished"
But don't colonial powers strip away tradition and native Religion of the region and impose there own ideologies and government.

Reason will abolish religion. Religion is also going out of style. There was a +105.7% increase in the number of people who describe themselves as atheists in the USA alone from 1990 to 2001! That's progress. The colonial powers were Christians who destroyed the natives' religion so that they could control them with their own religion and exploit them and the land that they lived on. Communism is not a religion. It is for the proletariat, unlike colonial powers were.



"Religion holds people back and thats way communism brings freedom"
Don't people have the right to worship or not and if the so called liberators cared anyhting about the masses they would respect there views and tradition.

Why should you respect something that clearly doesn't deserve it? Religion invents rules to control people; communism does not. People would be allowed to believe whatever they want in a communist society, but they wouldn't be religious because in communism they would be raised with open minds. Right now religion is almost altogether hereditary. This is because religious parents make religious babies. Capitalism destroys true culture and replaces it with ugly corporate culture. It creates 'traditions' like 'Christmas shopping' et cetera.

[Clarksist]

"Religion is bad because it provides more suffering"
But the commie leaders provided ten times the amount of suffering


A "communist" leader has nothing to do with religion causing suffering. Being almost no contemporary leftist (besides MLM and ML followers) care about these "not-so-communist-after-all" leaders.


"Religion is to be abolished"
But don't colonial powers strip away tradition and native Religion of the region and impose there own ideologies and government.


Religion is abolishing itself. Its constantly killing itself off by attacking itself and becoming more and more hypocritical. Also, science and the modern understanding of the physical world is crushing religion. No one can help either way, its moving at a great pace.


"Religion holds people back and thats way communism brings freedom"
Don't people have the right to worship or not and if the so called liberators cared anyhting about the masses they would respect there views and tradition.


If a popular leftist revolution happened, the masses would already be very anti-religion. And, as it continues, no one would need to hurt religion, as its a dying breed of thought.

[Technique3055]

"Religion is bad because it provides more suffering"
But the commie leaders provided ten times the amount of suffering

Does religion provide suffering? Not in a physical sense. Back in the day when I was a Christian though, I used to beat myself up over doing wrong things. It really got inside my head and made me question myself. I'm sure there's tons of other people out there who are in a real identity crisis because of faith.

Also be aware that the "commie leaders" you speak of didn't exist because communism never existed. Did fake communist assholes like Stalin and Pol Pot cause a lot of suffering? Sure.


"Religion is to be abolished"
But don't colonial powers strip away tradition and native Religion of the region and impose there own ideologies and government.

Yes. Religion is to be abolished, but not by killing Christians or slaughtering Jews or anything. Infact, there should be very little government intervention in this process, minus a bit more education of the truth.

You raise the point that colonial powers strip away traditional religions and such. This isn't to create a perfect society. It's to impose NEW religious beliefs on the people and "brainwash" them into their way of opperating. Christianity is notorious for this. In other words, the colonial powers you speak of aren't trying to FREE the people by stripping away native religion; they're trying to further ENSLAVE these people.


"Religion holds people back and thats way communism brings freedom"
Don't people have the right to worship or not and if the so called liberators cared anyhting about the masses they would respect there views and tradition.

You talk about "liberators respecting" people and how allowing them to worship false dogmas and non-existant entities is an example of "liberators respecting the masses."

Don't you think it shows MORE respect to try and free those people from a deceptive dogma and to expose them to the truth?

[Martyr]

So if for example you were going to be leader of country lets just say and you brought the country to be a communist country and there would be many people who would say they love their Religion because it makes them feel good and they would ask for the love of their freeodm not to take away Religion would you?

[Martyr]

no answer

[violencia.Proletariat]

Originally posted by [email protected] 17 2005, 07:50 PM
So if for example you were going to be leader of country lets just say and you brought the country to be a communist country and there would be many people who would say they love their Religion because it makes them feel good and they would ask for the love of their freeodm not to take away Religion would you?
this is not a valid example. there is no leader of a country that could bring it to communism.

the real reason why people would never ask that when there was a push towards communism is the people would have given religion up already.

[Martyr]

But what if people like me dont want to give up religion?

[James]

the argument goes that a population will only become communist in action, once it has become communist in heart/thought.
A convincing argument i find. Religion will have no place, because people will have stopped believing in it.


This as a view i have no problem with. It's those who advocate the "speeding up" of the process which results in people rejecting religion. Not only do i find it oppressive (people are going to get told what to think/not think, do and not do) but also counter productive. The more you push something, the greater resistance it will provoke.

[DaCuBaN]

This question has been asked time and time again - and always it end up with one camp stating without any evidence that religion will wither away and does not need to be crushed, whilst the other decrees that the churches must be raised to the ground and all religious individuals shot on the spot.

Marx was one of the former - he believed that the process that would naturally lead us from an industrialised capitalist society would itself see the abolition of religion without intervention. It wouldn't be the first time he'd been wrong, but if we don't give it a chance we'll never know. Bear in mind, no advancec industrialised country has ever had a revolution, so we still don't have a clue. All I know is that if you tell a young adult they cant have/do something, they'll try their damndest to have/do it...

[Red Leader]

But what if people like me dont want to give up religion

Until you see that it is the institution of religion that has corrupted man and not the beliefs itself, then i guess its tough luck for you. But when you realize that in fact you nobody is stopping you from foormulating your own oppinion or ideas about the creation of the universe and all that. No religion means no institution, not no beliefs. it means you wont have to give up your freedoms and rights to some false institution that is ugided by hierchy and strict rules and traditions. If you want to continue believing in god and praying, i dont think anyone will care. The problem is devoting your time to a corrupt institution that is the church.

[violencia.Proletariat]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2005, 05:29 PM
But what if people like me dont want to give up religion?
then dont but you can keep it to yourself. but you could expect no role of leadership in a society of rational thinkers.