Bin Laden and Che Guevara

[ReD_ReBeL]

Fuck me what do you think of this quote i stumbled across while searching for Che writings, one bloke wrote "Osama Bin Laden is the modern-day Che Guevara", i am utterly appauld

[danny android]

I am befuddled.... Atleast i think that is the word i am going for. What i mean to say is a am amazed and confused.

[Simotix]

He was probably right-winging and uneducated.

[Entrails Konfetti]

I saw an article that stated Pancho Via is to Mexico as Osama Bin Laden is to Afghanistan.

[Atlas Swallowed]

Che murdered by the CIA

Osama tool of the CIA

The quote idiotic

[dso79]

one bloke wrote "Osama Bin Laden is the modern-day Che Guevara"

I suppose he means that Osama bin Laden has become a symbol of resistance to US imperialism for many muslims, just like Che is a symbol of resistance for us (and Pancho Villa for Mexicans). In Pakistan you can even buy OBL merchandise similar to the Che merchandise that is sold here.

Of course it’s quite obvious that Che and Bin Laden are not comparable in terms of ideology, strategy etc.

[kingbee]

its the whole argument that che was a terrorist.

for the right, the world is so manichean that if anybody who isn't good in their eyes is ultimately evil.

[ComTom]

That is most def. not true. Che fought against bourgeois state terrorism. Pancho Villa was a defender of the peasants of Mexico and stood up against the fascist policies of Mexico's dictators. Osama is a useless peice of scum who stands for reactionary sadistic policies against the people of the world, muslim and non-muslim.

[Scars]

However both are Anti-Imperialist sex symbols. Like it or not, Osama Bin Laden is definately the most famous Anti-Imperialist of our time.

And he is not and was not a 'CIA tool'. He recieved training from the CIA, just like thousands of Muhjadeen in Afghanistan, but was always independent of them. He was never on the CIA payroll, he never went to the States, I don't think he even had any contact with the US government. Osama was not a big wig during the war, his main purpose what channelling funds and volunteers from the Middle East, particularly Saudi Arabia, to Afghanistan. Only after the war ended and the Civil War broke out, with the formation of Al-Qaeda, did he become what he is today.

No, I don't support Osama, but a lot of the stuff you hear about him and his beliefs are shit.

[Atlas Swallowed]

Originally posted by [email protected] 18 2005, 02:19 AM


And he is not and was not a 'CIA tool'. He recieved training from the CIA, just like thousands of Muhjadeen in Afghanistan, but was always independent of them. He was never on the CIA payroll, he never went to the States, I don't think he even had any contact with the US government.

http://www.orlingrabbe.com/binladin_timosman.htm

He possibly has been in the United States.

Thier have been reports byFrench intelligence agencies of Bin Laden meeting with the CIA after 9-11 in a Pakistani hospital while he was on dialyasis,

Never had contact with the US government? Do a google search. Thier are thousands of articles about Osama Bin Laden meeting with members of the US government at different periods of time. Does the CIA publcise its payroll? If they do don't you think they would ommitt and fabricate the truth like they do about everything else? Do you think that intelligence assets announce that they are assets? Look at his actions and think of who benefits from them. Hint: It certainly isn't any Arab nation.

[ComTom]

That is definatly untrue. Osama praised the U.S. of A commonly. He fought the Soviets and called them atheist and claimed that America are religous peoples helping the muslim cause. SO yes, he pretty much was a tool of the US empire. The only reason why he decided to stand up and fight USA was that he was jealous that the Saudis rejected the Al Queda's demand to give Islamic fundamentalist armsso that they could start a jihad against Saddam's occupational forces. He then oversaw the US occupation of Saudi Arabia. I honestly think that he was jealous, why would he not be, he loved US in the 80s, he hated Saddam, why would he not support a US imperialist force attacking a man he hated. it had to be jealousy.

[Atlas Swallowed]

Another article about Osama being a CIA asset from 1998.


http://emperors-clothes.com/articles/jared/madein.htm

[KGB5097]

Some people are just so..... undereducated.

[red_fanatical_vn]

Originally posted by [email protected] 18 2005, 08:46 AM
Some people are just so..... undereducated.
WRONG WRONG

[daved_richardson]

i beleive that bin laden is the new che only in the sense that he is giving the middle finger to the us and standing up for what he beleives is morally right.

I also beleive that bin ladden is doing what is right but i do not beleive in the killing of innocents.

Bin Laden like i beleive that the americans have no right to try to enforce a moral high ground over the rest of the world and try to enforce their beleifs on everyone else when they are the most corrupted country in the world.

Being from Scotland i am also ashamed of the actions that the brittish government have taken aswell.


Bin Ladens motives are correct but his innocent killing of civilians is wrong

[James]

the most famous Anti-Imperialist of our time


Or one of the biggest imperialists?


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Bin Laden like i beleive that the americans have no right to try to enforce a moral high ground over the rest of the world and try to enforce their beleifs on everyone else when they are the most corrupted country in the world.

Is he fighting for liberty of choice though: or HIS way?

In a sense, Bin laden believes that he has, and is therefore justified to "enforce a moral high ground over the rest". Maybe not of the world, but at least over a large proportion over it.
He and his followers clearly want to "enforce their beleifs on everyone else" in the said area.
Corruption... morally bankrupt... All a subjective matter, surely?



Being from Scotland i am also ashamed of the actions that the brittish government have taken aswell.

Whats your point?
What is the significance of scotland (in the context of your post.... not generally)?

[socialistfuture]

both fought for causes they believed in and r similar in that they used a form of guerilla tactics and fought the USA. tho Osama is wealthy and fights for relegious as well as idealist reasons.

just because he is not leftist doesnt mean there isnt truth in the cause that many islamic fundies fight. the east has been fucked hard by imperialism from the west just like latin america. in the east the resistance to that comes in a a more religious form, that is what they fall back on. that is their form of community and resistance.

yeah Osama and Bush are similar as well - both rightwing religious fundamentalists with family money buy the bucket load and other rich hook ups. Osama is arevolutionary in a sense but also hell conservative. A little similar to Moqtada AlSadr.

[Brujo]

Anyone read the anti-Che article by Humberto Fontova? He touches down on this one. Isn't it funny how the line begins to blur if you decide to illuminate the subject from different focal points?

[Comrade J]

It's pathetic that because Che and Osama both despised American imperialism, they are compared so closely.
If people really understood it, nearly everyone would despise American imperialism, doesn't mean we'd all be off for flying lessons. Ridiculous assumptions and weak attempts to try and discredit the name of Ernesto 'Che' Guevara.

And @ James, that guy said he was ashamed to be from Scotland because of the British government's actions as Scotland is part of Britain, so the government are fighting in the name of the country he lives in, and he doesn't want to be associated with the war.

[Vaguera]

I am not "educated" enough to express my opinion, the only thing I can tell is that it is very hard to think who is who, what I mean is that we will probably never know what are Ben Laden's real motivations ( anti-imperialism, dictatorship, or whatever) for example.Today most people suppose we can argue about what El Che DID. I am just relieved to know that someone like him was brave enough and loyal to his convictions to act like he did. And I feel the same about Bin Laden.
Change the world, that is what I feel they want(ed) the most.


"We are the future and we know it" Tato

[Zero]

Well if you are comparing on the basis of similaritys you should also be comparing Hiter, and his cabnet to Bush and his cabnet. It definately has more similarities then Che and Osama ever would have.