People's Power in Nepal

[barista.marxista]

People's Power in Nepal (http://www.monthlyreview.org/1105parvati.htm)

This is an interesting and very informative article about the current (as of Nov 05) situation of the Maoist rebellion in Nepal. While I am not a Maoist, I give them critical support, and I find the article truly inspiring, especially considering the advances made just in the last month alone. Discussion?

[celticfire]

Nepal is groundbreaking with revolutionary theory and practice. I am very excited to see what happens in the coming year...

From democracy to struggle tactics, the Nepalese comrades are examining everything. I truly appluad there success.

I suggest everyone get a copy of "Disptaches from the People's War in Nepal" by Li Onesto -- powerful book with spectacular photos!

[Janus]

Is it true that the King is considering exile? I heard about this in one of the other threads on the forum but I have heard nothing of it one the news.

[Entrails Konfetti]

I got through half of that article, and it didn't say what exactly what goes on inside these Peoples Committees, nor did it explain how exactly criminals of the open prison are made into productive-citizens. It didn't explain the process citizens go under the mobile court, nor did it explain who are considered elements of enemy classes who must be disposed of by firing-squads. I don't know anything about the democratic processes of the communes other that they are called autonomous.

It explained that the CPN(M)s party councils are seperate from the Peoples Councils. I do not agree with this theory. The Peoples Councils SHOULD be the party.

In short it seems like this article uses euphemisms, without going into detail to appear democratic.

I will not support any revolution until I know if its really ran by the masses themselves; within their own organization; not subbordinate nor seperate from any "party".

[Red Heretic]

Originally posted by EL [email protected] 16 2005, 09:49 PM
I got through half of that article, and it didn't say what exactly what goes on inside these Peoples Committees, nor did it explain how exactly criminals of the open prison are made into productive-citizens. It didn't explain the process citizens go under the mobile court, nor did it explain who are considered elements of enemy classes who must be disposed of by firing-squads. I don't know anything about the democratic processes of the communes other that they are called autonomous.

It explained that the CPN(M)s party councils are seperate from the Peoples Councils. I do not agree with this theory. The Peoples Councils SHOULD be the party.

In short it seems like this article uses euphemisms, without going into detail to appear democratic.

I will not support any revolution until I know if its really ran by the masses themselves; within their own organization; not subbordinate nor seperate from any "party".

I got through half of that article, and it didn't say what exactly what goes on inside these Peoples Committees,

They function along the same lines as the Peasant Associations and worker councils in China while it was a socialist country. They serve the purpose of reducing the dependence on state centralization of economy, and allow workers to contibute to the managing of society.

These organizations take part in democratic decisions to manage the work place, managing of land, etc. They work along side the party to organize the economy. Major nation wide economic decisions (at least at first) need to be made by the party, and in a systematic and scientific way, which is very difficult during the first years of socialism (as it will take many years of socialism for workers and peasants to gain the educations that will be necessary for them to govern society).

One of the main aspects of socialism is that you are always moving toward abolishing inequalities and oppression, but you need to understand that we won't all just ake up one day and have these things dissappear.


nor did it explain how exactly criminals of the open prison are made into productive-citizens.

These work the same way as it was done in China. In "prisons" people are organized into committees, and they are encouraged to debate, struggle, and criticize one another, so as to expose one another's flaws, and to help people with backward deas to be able to throw off the oppressive mentality of capitalism/feudalism, and to take up the outlook and methdology of the proletariat.

I once heard an MP3 interview online with a CIA operative and counter-revolutionary, who spent around 6 years in a Chinese re-education center, and came back to America and told about how well he was treated, how well it reformed him, and all of the people who were around him. He was completely shut out of the mainstream media because he took that stance. I will try to find it for you.


It didn't explain the process citizens go under the mobile court, nor did it explain who are considered elements of enemy classes who must be disposed of by firing-squads.

I don't know where the fuck you got the idea that all class enemies were going to be desposed of by firing squads... However, I do know that the democratic people's courts, which are composed of worker's and peasntry, are the ones who decide guilt and punishment in the liberated regions of Nepal. The vast majoirty of the cases I've read about where people were executed was because they assisted in or directly murdered a member of the masses, or because they raped a woman (which is all too common in Nepal). It is generally the woman who was raped who carries out the punishment in Nepal. I read one case where the woman who was raped opted to just kick the shit out of her rapist.


It explained that the CPN(M)s party councils are seperate from the Peoples Councils. I do not agree with this theory. The Peoples Councils SHOULD be the party.

You need to realize that this is socialism, not communism. Eventually these things will be synonomous, and the distinction between the party and the masses will completely cease to exist, but not until imperialism and class contradictions are completely wiped from the globe, which will be done by the world socialist revolution.

[Entrails Konfetti]

Originally posted by Red [email protected] 16 2005, 10:50 PM
They function along the same lines as the Peasant Associations and worker councils in China while it was a socialist country.
Wheres your sources? All I can determine from you is Maoist bias. Just because it may or may not have happened in China doesn't mean its going on in Nepal.


These organizations take part in democratic decisions to manage the work place, managing of land, etc. They work along side the party to organize the economy.

Its evident the party is placed on a pedestal. If the party really believes in what they are doing; they should get workers jobs and intergrate the Party with the councils, with accountable revokable positions.


Major nation wide economic decisions (at least at first) need to be made by the party, and in a systematic and scientific way, which is very difficult during the first years of socialism (as it will take many years of socialism for workers and peasants to gain the educations that will be necessary for them to govern society).

How is this wall between party bureaucrats and Peoples councils suppossed to be knocked down or stripped gradually brick by brick?


One of the main aspects of socialism is that you are always moving toward abolishing inequalities and oppression...
Anyone can claim to abolish inequalities and oppression, thats what the occupation is claiming to do in Iraq.


but you need to understand that we won't all just ake up one day and have these things dissappear.
I never claimed such a thing would be gone in a nights sleep.


These work the same way as it was done in China. In "prisons" people are organized into committees, and they are encouraged to debate, struggle, and criticize one another, so as to expose one another's flaws, and to help people with backward deas to be able to throw off the oppressive mentality of capitalism/feudalism, and to take up the outlook and methdology of the proletariat.
1. Just because they claim the title of Maoist, doesn't mean Nepal is China. If the RCP was to lead a succesful revolution in North America we can all be certain their methods would have to be different than what occured in China.

2. I still know nothing of how the prison system works in Nepal. Do they punish and execute, or do they try to reform criminals by humane pyscholigical treatement?
Im sure the leadership of police forces internationally argue,debate and struggle with one another daily.


I once heard an MP3 interview online with a CIA operative and counter-revolutionary, who spent around 6 years in a Chinese re-education center, and came back to America and told about how well he was treated, how well it reformed him, and all of the people who were around him. He was completely shut out of the mainstream media because he took that stance. I will try to find it for you.

A CIA opperative treated fairly VS Millions who have parrished. I dunno <_<


I don&#39;t know where the fuck you got the idea that all class enemies were going to be desposed of by firing squads...

Why I read in the posted article ofcourse.


However, I do know that the democratic people&#39;s courts, which are composed of worker&#39;s and peasntry, are the ones who decide guilt and punishment in the liberated regions of Nepal.
What are the limitations to the jurors power? Do they have to consult a leader before making a descision?



You need to realize that this is socialism, not communism. Eventually these things will be synonomous, and the distinction between the party and the masses will completely cease to exist, but not until imperialism and class contradictions are completely wiped from the globe, which will be done by the world socialist revolution.

Socialism exists as long as you have a committee of of bureaucrats? I though it existed until the invasion of the bourgoeisie was crushed.

How can a committie of bureaucrats be synonomous with workers councils? The latter is subordinated to the former. How can this wall ever be knocked down?

As long as you have a committie of bureaucrats seperated from the masses you have a faux democracy or a totalitarian regime.