How were race relations in the Soviet Union?

[Body Count]

Its probably a hard comparison, as I'm doubting there was much immigration to russia or any country in the communist bloc, but, would you believe that these countries would have been as anti-immigrant as say America? Would there have been (Was there?) Neo-Nazi groups and such?

RACE WISE, would it have been better to have been black in Stalins Russia then say Herbert Hoovers America??? Has Stalin or any other soviet leader ever commented on Americas once (Still) putrid race problems? It seems to me that it would have been a perfect point to criticize America on.

One aspect that got me interested in Communism, is its followers appearent hate of fascism and neo-nazi and KKK. But do these feelings ever really come out in "communist" (I know they aren't really communist) countries? Would a black man have done better in East or West Germany?

I understand that Cuba has more black doctors per population then anywhere in the world. A small little Island like Cuba, has only a few thousand less black doctors then America! That tells me that equality at least in some way is being represented in Cuba. Now of course you can't base a countries race relations on black doctors alone...but its an interesting statistic.

[PRskin]

I just wanted to comment on the Cuban bit. That statistic is skewed because of the fact that cuba isn't exactly predominantly "white". In the Caribbean (other than in haiti) there is hardly anything you could call straight forward racism.

[Jadan ja]

I understand that Cuba has more black doctors per population then anywhere in the world

Including Africa?

[Body Count]

Originally posted by [email protected] 12 2005, 01:00 PM
I just wanted to comment on the Cuban bit. That statistic is skewed because of the fact that cuba isn't exactly predominantly "white". In the Caribbean (other than in haiti) there is hardly anything you could call straight forward racism.
The point I was trying to make is that with like 11 million black cubans, 13,000 are doctors. While the United states has like 40 million black people, with only 20 thousand as doctors.

I think that this shows the difference of equality in the countries.

[Body Count]

Originally posted by Jadan [email protected] 12 2005, 01:49 PM

I understand that Cuba has more black doctors per population then anywhere in the world

Including Africa?
I'm sorry, I was talking only about western/developed countries. I was reciting the statn from memory and wasn't really paying attention.

[enigma2517]

OMG RACIST!!!11!!

Lets take this the CC for a ban vote right away

;)

[Body Count]

Originally posted by [email protected] 13 2005, 12:01 AM
OMG RACIST!!!11!!

Lets take this the CC for a ban vote right away

;)
LOL, excuse me?

[romanm]

RACE WISE, would it have been better to have been black in Stalins Russia then say Herbert Hoovers America??? Has Stalin or any other soviet leader ever commented on Americas once (Still) putrid race problems? It seems to me that it would have been a perfect point to criticize America on.

If you are really interested in this question check out Harry Haywood's Black Bolshevik. Haywood attended the Lenin school and met some of the leading Bolsheviks including Stalin. And, Stalin and the Comintern were very aware of the oppression of Blacks in the u.$. They adopted the line that Blacks constituted a separate Black Nation in the u.$ with a historic homeland in the Black Belth South.

Haywood writes of many amazing experiences in Stalinist Soviet Union and how it was a contrast to amerikkka - land of lynching and jim crow.

If you are interested, feel free to pm me and I can point you to some informative resources.

[Body Count]

Originally posted by [email protected] 13 2005, 12:29 AM

RACE WISE, would it have been better to have been black in Stalins Russia then say Herbert Hoovers America??? Has Stalin or any other soviet leader ever commented on Americas once (Still) putrid race problems? It seems to me that it would have been a perfect point to criticize America on.

If you are really interested in this question check out Harry Haywood's Black Bolshevik. Haywood attended the Lenin school and met some of the leading Bolsheviks including Stalin. And, Stalin and the Comintern were very aware of the oppression of Blacks in the u.$. They adopted the line that Blacks constituted a separate Black Nation in the u.$ with a historic homeland in the Black Belth South.

Haywood writes of many amazing experiences in Stalinist Soviet Union and how it was a contrast to amerikkka - land of lynching and jim crow.

If you are interested, feel free to pm me and I can point you to some informative resources.
Thank you comrade!

This book sounds very interesting, if I find a dealer I will surely pick it up.

I will also send you a PM to gain any knowledge/resources that you have on the subject.

[rebelworker]

Though an interesting thought, you cant realy compare racism against Blacks in the US and Russia.

Blacks in America(especially the south) have a very unique history that is hugely tied into the economic development of the US. As first Slave Labour and now an underclass, it has been fundamentally important for rule by the capitalist class to maintain divisive race relations. The antagonism that this free or cheaper labour has caused in levels of the white lumpenprole and working class is alomost uncomparable to anything else in modern history.

Racism is largely dictated by economics, social prejudices spring up from intense levels of competition, this is why union organizing is such a tool in eliminating racism.

In the Soviet Union there is no such antagonism towards Blackpeople(thought there might be general prejudices against "others".

One major critque of a top down version of "communism"(really just state controlled capitalism) is that because it dosnt focus on organizing and empowering workes at the base it dose nothing to eleminate social prejudices, it just forces workers into an economic model.

After the collapse of Bolshevik Russia the largest radiccal tendancies, including the "communist" party use large amounts of racism to define their politic. Anti Arab and anti jewish sentiment is widespread. Workers were never liberated or empowered, and now that the artificial equality is removed and the class devisions that existed under the "soviet" system have been expanded by the removal of state subsidies the workers have alot of confused ideas about who their enemy is.

One very interesting question would be how where the indigenous people or other racial minorities that came from Russia or the stans(kazaksta ect...) treated.
This is a more relevant question about race relations than how black people were treated.
I have no answer to this and would like to hear from someone.

[Comrade Yastrebkov]

In the USSR there were much much less racial problems and ethnic tensions than there are now. It dependedn on unity and brotherhood bewteen all the peoples and republics. This was even in the anthem of the USSR.

Many people cosnider it soviet propaganda, but if you ask people who lived there even in the late period of Soviet rule, they will say that people respected each other and people thac came from different ethnic and cultural backgrounds. And every republic, big or small, valued their culture and achievements and were proud of it. Despite belonging to a brutal almost fascist totalitarian regime that gassed 25 million to death as people like to say nowadays... :D

[rebelworker]

If race relations were so good, why now do you think that so many have immediately turned towards racist scapeoating as a solution to political problems?

Just curious...

[Comrade Yastrebkov]

Simple: because thats what happens to the people who live in a country goping through a crisis. Russia is in a crisis politically, economically, militarily etc, so the people have to blame someone. Its how Hitler got into power: after WWI Germany was in a crisis and Hitler could offer them a radical solution by blaming all the country's problems on the Jews and other 'inferior' people. Its a natural occurence.

[cccpcommie]

Originally posted by Comrade [email protected] 14 2005, 12:07 PM
In the USSR there were much much less racial problems and ethnic tensions than there are now. It dependedn on unity and brotherhood bewteen all the peoples and republics. This was even in the anthem of the USSR.

Many people cosnider it soviet propaganda, but if you ask people who lived there even in the late period of Soviet rule, they will say that people respected each other and people thac came from different ethnic and cultural backgrounds. And every republic, big or small, valued their culture and achievements and were proud of it. Despite belonging to a brutal almost fascist totalitarian regime that gassed 25 million to death as people like to say nowadays... :D
idk what this guys is smoking but you need to take it away from him...communists had to deal with jews...many were killed i think it was like 80 million jews.. even so..there was always hatred..how about the ukrainian famine? when the russians starved them basically..the was a lot of hate there..you can see this now in chechenya.

i was born in the CCCP and ill be the first one to tell you there is hate of race there..but the army tried helping that