societism

[middleman]

Introduction

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This is my theory on what would make a grand government that could please everyone and help support the people and not allow any form of suppression from government officials. M government is based on the idea “help your self, help your brother, and coexist with everyone else’s ideas and beliefs” meaning, this government is designed to give support to the everyday capitalist and leftist. Your views are in some way supported equally in my form of government, were I only try to keep the good on each side and eliminate the bad. My idea is to get the perfect balance that can appease everyone and allow everyone to co exist regardless of their ideas. You can become what you want, say what you want, and know that you are token care of by the government regardless of your current position.

But before I begin in my in-depth writing about my idea, allow me to state that I am not a left extremist, or a right extremist. I am what you would call the middle man of America, with that; allow me to begin to paint a picture of my ideal government. I even gave it a name so its something that stands out a bit.

Societism (so-s-et-y– ism)

This is a collaboration of socialism, democracy, and a few other types of government.

The idea is to make it so that the government is not only run by the people, but it also directly supports the people like a working society. People are able to elect leaders for their country to adjust, pass, and look over laws, but there is more then one leader.

The normal democratic system (as in America) has 3 branches of power to keep each other in check, to make sure one is not to gain more power then the other and their for shell not be the oppressor. Communism has one dictator that has ultimate power in the government, if his ideas are not for the people but instead him/her self, the government will fail. Democracy has the same flaw, the executive branch is governed by 1 man, it does not allow for a second opinion with the same wait to judge major decisions on what should happen. (Bush and the Iraq war.) You trust the few people you elected to make sure you and your family and many others are token care of. If they are corrupted then this could have a disastrous result. My system will try to make many fail safes so that does not happen. The people control the government, and the government is their to support everyone, so in a since you could say, the people are in a system that has them support each other. Now lets move on.


Branches in the government

Well in my system, their will be four branches,

- The executive branch (contains 20 people that are to be elected by the people to assure no form of oppression or over use of power unless all 20 trusted individuals come to the same agreement. This branch is able to pass/veto laws and can make desiccations on war and economics. )

- The legislative branch (contains 2 members for each subsection of the country, EX: there are 50 states in the United States, so there would be 100 members of this branch. This branch upon subjects such as: war, crime, laws, and economics.)

- The senate branch ( contains 5 members from each sub subsection of the country, they represent the people of the area they live in. they hand in the votes that the people cast for elections, and they are the people that are most trusted to follow and carry out the idea and words of the people they represent.)

- Resource management branch (this branch is full of mostly people who deal with economics in the country, the world thrives on some form of currency, be it the all mighty dollar or a loaf of bread. this branch monitors 24/7 the resources that go in and out of the governments hands and into the masses. It also helps control foreign trade, and things of such nature.)

Now each branch has the ability to make laws and keep the other branches in check to make sure not one of them is corrupted.

Economy

This is how economics are to work in my system. We have a form of capitalism, but we still maintain socialism as well. You see, as long as you have a job, the government will send you “basic care packages” to keep you going. The government will give you rationed amounts of food, water, gas (for your house and car) and pays for your medicine completely. Also for housing, depending on the size of your family you will receive a few small options on were you can be housed. The housing that the government hands out is good enough that it meets your needs and that is about it. You could call it cheep housing, but if you don’t have much then I guess beggars can’t be choosers. In all if you work, you are supporting the government. Depending on what the nation’s resources are like and your position in the work place, it shall at the very least meet your bare minimum requirements that are needed to live. You will be token care of if you work. The nation takes care of all your needs, now if you want something that you don’t need (say a music CD, or a new TV) then you have to pay for it. Business is run by the people, but is in strict regulation by the government so fair businesses can be formed and no one business is using dirty dealings such as trusts, pools, or cooking the books to gain an edge. This assures that everyone who choices to go into the business world, has a fair chance. With the government drawing the line in big business, the working man/woman, can rest assure that they will have plenty of money to get what they need/want. The big business will also be supported by the government, especially newly formed ones. They are an investment to the country, if they do well, then they can pay pack to the country in fair taxis that are judged by what the company makes in a percentage bases.

Certain jobs that aid the government, such as farming, and distributing these basic care packages will allow the individual to reap great rewards. He/She is helping the country so there for they are helping his common brother/sister. They are treated with a little more care from the government. They are the labors of the government so they should also be the ones to reap the rewards of the government along with their neighbors.

Things like over sea jobs would not be allowed, and if allowed they will be strictly monitored to make sure the average man does not end up on the streets because he doesn’t have a job.

Crime

Most crime laws will be designed by the people in the section of the country they live in, like in the United States, some states allow the death penalty while others don’t. The death penalty shall be abolished in this system of government. No one likes to see a dead man and in my own personal ideas, I think they had gotten away with their crimes instead of having justice served. They will be alive to rot in the jail for horrendous acts. Which includes but is not limited to: murder, rape, treason… depending on the nation’s opinion, the list can be added on or shortened up. For small crimes such as theft, jail will be one option or rehabilitation to re-enter society shall be another. In my system, you have no reason to steal because all of your needs are taken care of if you work; you only steal if you are a greedy person.

Military

The armed forces shall be used by the government under strict regulations by other branches of the government. The military is a loaded gun; you only fire it at someone when you know it is the only option, to have a second opinion on when to use it is a good idea. It can be used to stop major riots that local law enforcements aren’t able to quench. They may be sent to war as long as all branches of the government agree with such a thing, draft may be signed by all branches provided that the military does loose to many people and that all branches agree with the draft. Also the military can be used to temporally take control of a business that is vital to the nation. (meaning if a company that gives the nation an important resource that is needed, such as gas, and for some reason it fails to make an effort to produce any results to elevate what ever problem it may have “such as a strike” then the army will be used as government workers and the government will take control of the business to help support the nation until the problem is solved.)

Conclusion

In short, my theory on what would make a perfect government relies on the people themselves, it is made so that your freedom to express your self is not at all limited, and that everyone is able to live a decent life under my system. No one will live on the streets unless they chose too. This is only a vague listing on how some areas of the government will work. So far I think it’s a great start. Share with me, your opinions…

[Correa]

I stopped reading this garbage when I came across......


Communism has one dictator that has ultimate power in the government, if his ideas are not for the people but instead him/her self, the government will fail.

[which doctor]

I read it all and you have a lot to learn. Communism does not have a dictator like you said. And my idea of a perfect government is pretty simple, no government, only a free organization of the workers.

[middleman]

TO CORIA - well when i wrote about the communism part i was more or so refering to stalinism which is basicly communism but with sympathy to stalin, as he was a dictatore but in any goverenment i beleave you shall find some form of coruption. am i not right?

TO Fist of Blood - well i guess you might be right on one note. i was always tought in america that communism had a dictatore that had more power then most other politions. also when you say, no goverment. what do you mean? i couldn't imagine not having a goverment.

i always thought that governments were made to help the people. can you elaberate more on you idea please? i would like to hear more.

[ColinH]

That's the school system for ya.

[which doctor]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10 2005, 11:59 PM
TO Fist of Blood - well i guess you might be right on one note. i was always tought in america that communism had a dictatore that had more power then most other politions. also when you say, no goverment. what do you mean? i couldn't imagine not having a goverment.

i always thought that governments were made to help the people. can you elaberate more on you idea please? i would like to hear more.
I was also taught in america that communism was run by a dictator, because that is what the american government wants you to think. This was true in soviet russia and other countries that called themselves communist. One thing you must learn is that these countries are not communist. Real communists believe in democracy, liberty, freedom, etc.

I once felt the same way you do about governments. I couldn't imagine a society without one. But in a government the wrong people often get in power. Very few politcians get into the business to help the people. Also majority rule is a bad idea because the minority isn't represented. Also governments tend to be quite restrictive in telling people what they can or can't do. A free organization of the working people is a group of people who work together to accomplish things that need to be done such as education, healthcare, caring for the elderly, etc. I personally think that governments were initially made to bring order. Then later they added schools and such to help reinforce this order. A society without government is a difficult thing for me to explain, but I'm sure some other members on this board can explain it better.

[Correa]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10 2005, 09:59 PM
TO CORIA - well when i wrote about the communism part i was more or so refering to stalinism which is basicly communism but with sympathy to stalin, as he was a dictatore but in any goverenment i beleave you shall find some form of coruption. am i not right?
CORIA? Anyways I didn't mean to come off like a jerk, but you have much to learn. Start with the Marx & Engels Reader. ;)

[middleman]

Originally posted by Correa+Dec 11 2005, 06:59 AM--> (Correa @ Dec 11 2005, 06:59 AM)
[email protected] 10 2005, 09:59 PM
TO CORIA - well when i wrote about the communism part i was more or so refering to stalinism which is basicly communism but with sympathy to stalin, as he was a dictatore but in any goverenment i beleave you shall find some form of coruption. am i not right?
CORIA? Anyways I didn't mean to come off like a jerk, but you have much to learn. Start with the Marx & Engels Reader. ;) [/b]
well no worries. ill check out the reading like you said k.

to Fist of Blood - well it still sounds to complex for me to grasp; you would need some form of a government to help organize all of that wouldn't you? its nice to think people would do such things as to help one anouther in their time of need... but some people are just to corupted to do that...

my idea is to make a system were it rewards the citizen that works. your needs are fullfilled with the basics the goverenmets offer. you also gain money as well in order to buy your wants and needs. the economy would flurish because now you can buy and sell what you want. you can now have enough money to go to colloge to were you would had been using the money for gas, food, and housing.

my idea is to make a system that pleases everyone, and that everyone can only prosper from a system such as this.

[matiasm]

u have alot too learn my friend. i recommend u do what correa suggested!

[barista.marxista]

You're mistaking socialism for Communism, and further more, Stalinism for Marxism. I'd suggest you read a bit first, maybe not even the M-E Reader (though it comes highly recommended), but with some Wikipedia articles on the previously mentioned four topics. But just to explain it to you briefly: though your enthusiasm is great, your ideas are underdeveloped. Socialism and capitalism are automatically in opposition, and your Rawlsian idea of a state that provides for the unemployed is not economically feasible. What you're describing is essentially liberal bourgeois social-democracy, and is not socialistic. Communism is classless and egalitarian, and comes when human beings, as a species-being, redefine themselves in relation to production as classless. As the state is the manifestation of one class' rule over another, the state becomes unnecessary, withers away, and all future organization comes in a non-coercive manner. Check out those readings, and come back with questions. Good luck!