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[Dooga Aetrus Blackrazor]

When I say cause, I am referring to the leftist cause. I am a libertarian socialist; however, most leftists believe in the elimination of capitalism, and, in some cases, the state; therefore, leftist ideological differences don't come into play until later. The most important thing is to deal with the real threat - the right-wing capitalists.

Firstly, I advocate leftists beliefs and try and convince people of how left-wing philosophy can work every day. Unfortunately, I am not great (or people are just not willing to learn about new ideas) at convincing people. Either way, talking is only one method of creating a better world. Obviously, more needs to be done.

To inform you of my situation, I am living in a small town (Woodstock, New Brunswick, Canada). Our area is slightly conservative for Canada, and I am a senior in High School. Should I start a leftists club, will it be aloud? What would everyone suggest?

[Imagine]

[FONT=Arial]How about joining The Green Party. Most ppl are familiar with them and that gives you a platform to start somewhere. If you are looking to introduce leftist ideologies to conservative business owners, forget it. no one who has capital will give it up. you should reach those who have nothing. most college/university students are open to new ways of thinking. it is the underclass that needs the education. talk to the unemployed..factory workers who are not unionized, the exploited...there's many out there. i dunno if that helps.

peace,

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[The Feral Underclass]

Originally posted by Dooga Aetrus [email protected] 9 2005, 01:40 AM
When I say cause, I am referring to the leftist cause. I am a libertarian socialist; however, most leftists believe in the elimination of capitalism, and, in some cases, the state; therefore, leftist ideological differences don't come into play until later. The most important thing is to deal with the real threat - the right-wing capitalists.

Firstly, I advocate leftists beliefs and try and convince people of how left-wing philosophy can work every day. Unfortunately, I am not great (or people are just not willing to learn about new ideas) at convincing people. Either way, talking is only one method of creating a better world. Obviously, more needs to be done.

To inform you of my situation, I am living in a small town (Woodstock, New Brunswick, Canada). Our area is slightly conservative for Canada, and I am a senior in High School. Should I start a leftists club, will it be aloud? What would everyone suggest?
First and foremost I'd suggest dropping out of school, but obviously that's not always realistic.

Starting discussion groups at School are a great way of meeting people and being fresh. I am not really familiar with the school policies of Canada, but as far as it stands in Britain, the school cannot stop you from meeting and disucssing politics if you want. They may be able to stop you from having a room to do it in, but I don't think that should stop you. There are many places to have discussions.

I would suggest contacting a group in Canada and asking for advice. It can feel very alienating if you live in a small town, but I would be very surprised if you were the only person in your school who shared your beliefs. It's a question of finding them. Emailing a group would give you outside contacts and there will be experienced people who can help you.

Check out the Canada section in this thread and read some of the websites. Get a feel of which you agree with the most and try contacting them. Sometimes groups can be quite slack in replying on emails, and if that's the case keep trying.

Also, there is a Canadian member of NEFAC on this website called Rebel Worker, so if you like the sound of NEFAC try sending him a PM.

Political Organisations (http://www.revolutionaryleft.com/index.php?showtopic=31615)

[The Feral Underclass]

Originally posted by [email protected] 9 2005, 05:41 AM
How about joining The Green Party.
How about not! This site is a revolutionary website. The Green Party is a reformist political party and are neither libertarian or very socialist. It would be an absurd thing for a Libertarian Socialist to do.

[The Red Scare]

Definitely look into starting a leftist club at your school or in your town...I'm sure their are other people like you who feel islolated and want to reach other to others with the same political ideas. I know that's how I felt at my college, before a leftist club was started here two years ago.

I would suggest not joining the Green Party, mostly because I disagree with their reformist politics and refusal to make any real critique of capitalism. But if you agree with the Greens, then you should by all means get involved with them. But a party such as Communist Party of Canada is more to my liking. Its a sister party of the Communist Party USA, the group I am a member of. http://www.communist-party.ca/

Anyway, good luck comrade. Keep us posted...

[Dooga Aetrus Blackrazor]

As I am busy with projects, it looks like I will be starting a club in about a month when exams are over. It will probably be a simple discussion group for anyone interested in joining. However, the people founding the club would be leftists and we could take it from there. As my school is small, I want to see how a discussion group does before looking into an entirely leftist club. In a discussion group, I can still convince people to support the leftist cause.

While I consider myself both a revolutionary and a reformist, I do not support the Green Party. I would consider involving myself with the NDP, but I would do so because they are the lesser of many evils.

[The Feral Underclass]

It seems to me that you have asked for advice and not paid any attention to it. What is the point of asking for advice if you already know the answer?

[Dooga Aetrus Blackrazor]

Originally posted by The Anarchist [email protected] 15 2005, 02:31 PM
It seems to me that you have asked for advice and not paid any attention to it. What is the point of asking for advice if you already know the answer?
Hmm? My idea came into my head after I posted here. The idea emerged because of suggestions from people here and in real life.

A discussion group, which sounds like an excellent idea, was suggested by a friend of mine. After that, I suggested using it as a method of measuring the amount of politically interested students but, more specifically, leftist students. Contacting members of organizations is something I would love to do, and, hopefully, I can do it. However, wasting their time before I know if I have the basis to form a group is not something I wish to do.

I simply responded with my idea, at least right now, because The Red Scare asked if I would keep the board informed. I didn't intend to make you or anyone else feel like I was ignoring their advice. It certainly influenced and will continue to influence the direction I take.

[Ownthink]

Originally posted by The Anarchist Tension+Dec 9 2005, 09:01 AM--> (The Anarchist Tension @ Dec 9 2005, 09:01 AM)
Dooga Aetrus [email protected] 9 2005, 01:40 AM
When I say cause, I am referring to the leftist cause. I am a libertarian socialist; however, most leftists believe in the elimination of capitalism, and, in some cases, the state; therefore, leftist ideological differences don't come into play until later. The most important thing is to deal with the real threat - the right-wing capitalists.

Firstly, I advocate leftists beliefs and try and convince people of how left-wing philosophy can work every day. Unfortunately, I am not great (or people are just not willing to learn about new ideas) at convincing people. Either way, talking is only one method of creating a better world. Obviously, more needs to be done.

To inform you of my situation, I am living in a small town (Woodstock, New Brunswick, Canada). Our area is slightly conservative for Canada, and I am a senior in High School. Should I start a leftists club, will it be aloud? What would everyone suggest?
First and foremost I'd suggest dropping out of school, but obviously that's not always realistic.

Starting discussion groups at School are a great way of meeting people and being fresh. I am not really familiar with the school policies of Canada, but as far as it stands in Britain, the school cannot stop you from meeting and disucssing politics if you want. They may be able to stop you from having a room to do it in, but I don't think that should stop you. There are many places to have discussions.

I would suggest contacting a group in Canada and asking for advice. It can feel very alienating if you live in a small town, but I would be very surprised if you were the only person in your school who shared your beliefs. It's a question of finding them. Emailing a group would give you outside contacts and there will be experienced people who can help you.

Check out the Canada section in this thread and read some of the websites. Get a feel of which you agree with the most and try contacting them. Sometimes groups can be quite slack in replying on emails, and if that's the case keep trying.

Also, there is a Canadian member of NEFAC on this website called Rebel Worker, so if you like the sound of NEFAC try sending him a PM.

Political Organisations (http://www.revolutionaryleft.com/index.php?showtopic=31615) [/b]
I sent you a PM a few days ago on dropping out, is it possible for you to respond?

[Dooga Aetrus Blackrazor]

Sorry Comrade, I haven't recieved a PM from you. Perhaps it's a problem on my end, but I have only recieved two PM's, neither of which were on dropping out.

If the message is still saved, perhaps you could resend it?

[Jimmie Higgins]

In my High School there was a club called "Fututre Farmers of AMerica". If I could do high school over again, I would start "Fututre Workers of America" where we could support local union struggles and learn how to be effective rank and file radicals and unionists.

In seriousness, I don't think you have to drop out of High School to be an effective radical. Part of being a radical is that we should be argueing with and organizing the our fellow workers around us. I would only advise dropping out of school if there was a revolution happening in Canada and it was important for workers to arm themselves and prepare to defend themselves. It's true that the American press largly ignores anything happening outside US borders, but from what I can tell there is no revolution in Canada or one right around the corner.

Finish school participate in anything going on locally and bring a class perspective and arguments to it; when you finish school, get a job, join the union, maybe move to a bigger urban center and join in political movements that you think will help the cause of worker's power.

[Guest]

Originally posted by The Anarchist [email protected] 9 2005, 02:03 PM
How about not! This site is a revolutionary website. The Green Party is a reformist political party and are neither libertarian or very socialist. It would be an absurd thing for a Libertarian Socialist to do.

It will probably be a simple discussion group for anyone interested in joining.
The problem with only a discussion group is that it's not very materialist. Discussions important, but it needs to be coupled w/ action. Your club should mobilize people.

One thing you could do is start a Young Communist League club up in your area.
The YCL has the same ideology of the communist party of canada, but is organized by youth and focuses more on youth rights.

Right now there are contacts in New Brunswick, but no clubs. I'm sure your offer would be taken up if you were interested in helping with a club there.

You can check out the website here: http://ycl-ljc.ca

[The Feral Underclass]

Originally posted by Guest+Dec 18 2005, 06:03 PM--> (Guest @ Dec 18 2005, 06:03 PM)
The Anarchist [email protected] 9 2005, 02:03 PM
How about not! This site is a revolutionary website. The Green Party is a reformist political party and are neither libertarian or very socialist. It would be an absurd thing for a Libertarian Socialist to do.

It will probably be a simple discussion group for anyone interested in joining.
The problem with only a discussion group is that it's not very materialist. Discussions important, but it needs to be coupled w/ action. Your club should mobilize people.

One thing you could do is start a Young Communist League club up in your area.
The YCL has the same ideology of the communist party of canada, but is organized by youth and focuses more on youth rights.

Right now there are contacts in New Brunswick, but no clubs. I'm sure your offer would be taken up if you were interested in helping with a club there.

You can check out the website here: http://ycl-ljc.ca [/b]
One step at a time, don't you think?

[Guest returns]

No, they wanted to start a club and this is a club.

You wouldn't be on your own. There would be interested conacts to help start the club, and probably a communist party club there too.

[Ownthink]

Originally posted by Dooga Aetrus [email protected] 15 2005, 05:50 PM
Sorry Comrade, I haven't recieved a PM from you. Perhaps it's a problem on my end, but I have only recieved two PM's, neither of which were on dropping out.

If the message is still saved, perhaps you could resend it?
Sorry for any confusion, I meant I sent one to TAT :)