Gorbachev the only true believer?

[RedDemocrat]

It is my belief that the only leader of the USSR from 1929 onwards who truly believed in the communist principles which he sought to forward was Gorbachev. He may have championed reform which would seem to have been accepting capitalism, but it was done simply out of compassion for the people and a belief that such actions would bring greater prosperity to the masses.

[ReD_ReBeL]

ahh my comrade my thoughts are exactly those of yours, even tho his reforms was the downfall of the soviets, he was the only leader that did things in the name of opening up the people and letting them live a free life. None of that restrictive stuff like that of previous Soviet leaders with the exception of lenin coz he wanted free press and everything it was just the conditions at the time wht led him to be stricter thn he wanted. Gorbachev held elections, free press, the right to express religious beliefs openly etc, it's a shame he didnt stay longer so that the people could truely see his genious.And no better say he was such a capitalist coz he wasnt. those who appose his ideas must love authoritarian style government like that of Stalin.

[RedStarOverChina]

Thats nothing but absurdity. He might as well have kissed Reagan's ass in person. I attended one of his speeches--and trust me, he's no communist.

[The Red Scare]

I fully agree w/ RedStarOverChina. When Reagan died last year, Gorbachev was all over the news talking about how great of a leader Reagan was, and how the US deserves to be the world's superpower.

Gorbachev is one of the worst traitors to the socialist cause. He's nothing more than a slimy, right-wing social democrat. His perestroika and glasnot programs were never designed to create "socialism with a human face," but to open up the country to capitalist propaganda and corporate plunder.

Hell, he even starred in a Pizza Hut commercial!


How can you honestly claim that his capitalist resoration project in Russia was done "simply out of compassion for the people," when most Russians have suffered terribly as a result!? I cannot understand how any reasonable, well-read communist can think of Gorbachev in this way.

[Janus]

I agree, Gorbachev was a revisionist not a communist. His reforms undermined the CPSU and resulted in the breakup of the USSR and the transformation of his nation to capitalism. Gorbachev was practically a lackey of the western capitalists as can be seen by the television commercials that he made in order to sell western products around the world such as Pizza Hut, which Red Scare commented on.

[Master Che]

Oh snap he was in a pizza hut commercial? Damn do you guys have a clip of it?

[ComTom]

Yes, I saw the commercial, it was a nasty. Not only was he helping the borgeoisis capitalist pizza hut, he also looked like a ugly dried up walking uterus in the commercial.

[The Red Scare]

http://www.wellesley.edu/Russian/video/gorbypizza.mov

I think this link speaks for itself. F*** Gorbachev

[Roses in the Hospital]

Margaret Thatcher once said, 'I like Gorbachev, we can do buisness.' I think that says everything...

[Comrade Yastrebkov]

Gorbachev was a maniac and mass murderer who killed tens of millions of innocent people!

Through his "reforms" which led to the collapse of the USSR, the Russian population has dropped significantly, the suicide rate has multiplied several times, alcoholism and drug abuse have soared as has murder, rape and other crime, healthcare has nearly vanished, the problem of prostitution is massive, there are food shortages and epidemics, war veterans die of cold in their homes because there is no heating.

And whoever denies that he was a crazed murderer who killed millions, is a "gorbachevist" and a "reformist apologist".

[ReD_ReBeL]

how did he kill millions? surely hes not as bad as Stalin tho

[UltraLeftGerry]

Gorbachev is the culmination of the bureaucracy slowly but surely transitioning the USSR into full blown capitalism. He alone is not responsible. He managed to push his reforms through the entire bureaucracy. The coup of 1991 collapsed due to the fact majority of the nomenklatura did not want a reversal. They liked Western luxury goods and sought to enrich themselves through the privitization of the economy. Who helped put Gorbachev in power? He was a favourite of Andropov. Who put Andropov in power? etc. To figure out Gorbachev let's understand 1917.

[LA GUERRA OLVIDADA]

http://www.mikhailgorbachev.org/tributes/images/bush.jpg

[Spark]

Gorbachev's problem was that he really did believe in Soviet Communism, and believed in so-called "Victorious Socialism." For example, he had thought that national identities had been replaced with a Soviet identity and didn't forsee the repurcussions of appointing a Russian the head of the Kazakh SSR. Gorbachev was one of very few who believed in actual socialism and thus that put him between a rock (the hard-liners of the CPSU) and a hard place (reformers like Yeltsin). I believe his actions taken during his reign over the the Soviet Union indicate he either did truly believe in Soviet Communism, or that he was just a complete idiot.

[red_che]

Gorbachev is modern revisionism in its true meaning. He was never Marxist. If he was, he was only for a short period of time and then completed the works of his predecessors like Kruschev in reversing the socialist revolution towards capitalism. He was the culmination of this trend.


Oh snap he was in a pizza hut commercial? Damn do you guys have a clip of it?

Yeah, he was in that commercial. I saw a clip of it too. He even praised Pizza hut for bringing "democracy" in Russia. It sounded to me like, "thanks Pizza Hut for bringing capitalism in Russia." What kind of a communist man this could be? Heh! :angry:

[Comrade Yastrebkov]

Originally posted by [email protected] 12 2005, 09:27 AM
For example, he had thought that national identities had been replaced with a Soviet identity and didn't forsee the repurcussions of appointing a Russian the head of the Kazakh SSR.

I believe his actions taken during his reign over the the Soviet Union indicate he either did truly believe in Soviet Communism, or that he was just a complete idiot.
National identities were mot replaced with a Soviet identity. Although many other peoples were part of the Soviet Union, each retained their national identity and maintained their own culture, religion, language atc. Like in Latvia, the "head of Latvia" was not a Russian but a Latvian - I think his surname was Puga or something.

Haha I think most people would agree he was the latter...Truly believed in Soviet communism... He might just as well have kissed America's ass. Well, he did.