Modern china`s maoists

[Reds]

This is somthing that has perplexed me for a long time. Are there any groups in china or a faction of the ccp that want to return to the maoist path?

[Janus]

I'm not aware of any factions within the party itself that still hold onto Maoism. Even if there were none of the members hold any substantial power because the "Shanghai gang" practically dominate the government. However, many of the older citizens and peasants are nostalgic for the old days simply because the recent economic boom has left them in the dust.

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

Reportedly there is a small Maoist movement in China.

Four Maoists were arrested and prosecuted in 2004 for handing out leaflets that denounced the restoration of Capitalism.


On December 21, 2004, four Maoists were tried in Zhengzhou for having handed out leaflets that denounced the restoration of capitalism in China and called for a return to the “socialist road.”


Zhengzhou has acquired a reputation as a hotbed of radical Maoism. It has seen some of the most militant labor protests and repeated clashes with police over Mao anniversary in recent years. Many activists there had experienced brief detentions, many more than once.

Link (http://www.monthlyreview.org/0105commentary.htm)

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

This is from the leaflet that the four handed out:


And consequently, just as there are capitalist-roaders in the Party, there are certainly socialist-roaders in the Party as well, particularly at the grassroots level. Among the rank and file Party members and low-level cadres, the overwhelming majority are resentful of revisionist leaders within the party. They wish to see the Party change its current line and to revert to the socialist road.

[RedStarOverChina]

I know there are Maoists, but I dont't think there's a movement.

[Clarksist]

I believe the feeling towards Mao in China is similar to how the anti-US imperialist view George Washington and the founding fathers. Commonly you hear "this isn't what the founding fathers intended" from people who are anti-USA.

[RedStarOverChina]

^There are nationalists who feel that way. But I don't think that argument would be popular among Maoists.

[Hefer]

I believe the feeling towards Mao in China is similar to how the anti-US imperialist view George Washington and the founding fathers. Commonly you hear "this isn't what the founding fathers intended" from people who are anti-USA.

There label as traitors, but they are nationalist, jsut wanting their country to be great.

[Xiao Banfa]

This is heartening

[Scars]

Are there Maoists? Yes, yes there are. Many in fact. However there are several things that one must understand:

1) Most are not in the cities, thus you don't hear about them outside China (as the media never bother going into the provinces, even though over 95% of China's population lives there) and the CHinese media suppresses anything to do with them. Just because you don't hear about them in teh media doesn't mean they don't exist.

In addition to this, there is still strong support for Maoism in the rural areas, particularly among Peasants. Many are nostalgic for the Cultural Revolution, more so in recent times as the Chinese government becomes more hostile to peasants- seizing land for private development, forced relocations due to foreign investment etc etc and within the cities many workers have had their wages drop substancially and many have lost their jobs. Somthing like 15 million factory workers in China have been fired since the Dengist reforms began and thousands of factories have shut down.

2) Membership of the CCP has been steadily decreasing every year. Over a million members have left in the last decade. Those dedicated to Maoism are often not members of the CCP, they either left or they were expelled for not towing the new capitalist line of the Central Committee. Essentially the Maoists have thrown back to the 1930s where Cadres would work at a grassroots level, away from the eyes of the media and more importantly, the capitalist state.

3) Within the CCP there ARE Maoist factions, but they are not particularly united and are ultimately powerless to inlfuence they course that the CCP is on.

[RedStarOverChina]

Membership of the CCP has been steadily decreasing every year. Over a million members have left in the last decade.
Actually that's not true. It's Falungong propaganda.
The membership is rising steadily because they are accepting capitalists of all sorts into the party. :(

[*PRC*Kensei]

to be hounest,
what mao has writtin in his red book, looked very very intresting to me...

i think that neo-maoism (without bloody mao himself) isnt that bad... it deserves a revival...or atleast some thinking


btw: red star over china : your little picture is uber-cool :lol:

[celticfire]

Thanks for that report Scars.

RedStarOverChina: WTF with Falungong?! They run 16 hours of anti-communist, anti-Mao, anti-CPP garbage 16 hours a day on a local station where I live!! I love the errie music they play when there's a picture of clip of Mao (like Darth Vader!)
Are they really a cult? :blink:

[rebelworker]

I currious why you folks havnt learned an important lesson from China about the disaterous effects of a centralised Govt.

Its conservatising and alienating to real revolutionaries, he people who are in struggle in the classs war are so far removed from having any power that the communist party has become a bastion for bearocrats and buisnessmen.

Very sad....

Revolution is about putting power in the hands of the opressed not building a central burocrat class.
And if China, the largest country in the world couldnt develop independant anticapitalist economy, how do you expect smaller countries to follow the same model....

Learn from histroy, centralised power dosnt work.

In Solidarity,
rebelworker

[RedStarOverChina]

RedStarOverChina: WTF with Falungong?! They run 16 hours of anti-communist, anti-Mao, anti-CPP garbage 16 hours a day on a local station where I live!! I love the errie music they play when there's a picture of clip of Mao (like Darth Vader!)
Damn dont get me started with those nutballs.

Are they really a cult?
Well for beginners lets just say they believe that their leader, Li Hongzhi is a reincarnated Buddha here to save humanity. He predicted a doomsday that was supposed to happen a few years ago but of course it didn't happen. Then they simply forgot about the prophecy. How convenient. There are plenty of Falungong silliness around if u pay attention.

I have personal issues with that cult. The father of one of my best friend was harrassed by Falungong day and night, and he eventually died of cancer, just weeks before Falungong was outlawed. Why did they harrass him? simply cause he wrote an article denouncing Falungong superstition and urged his students to "think it thro".

Falungong advertised his death, claiming that "all those who oppose the Falun Dafa will eventually be punished by the Heaven". :angry:

[RedStarOverChina]

btw: red star over china : your little picture is uber-cool
LOL thanx man. appreciate it.

[Fidelbrand]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10 2005, 03:43 AM

RedStarOverChina: WTF with Falungong?! They run 16 hours of anti-communist, anti-Mao, anti-CPP garbage 16 hours a day on a local station where I live!! I love the errie music they play when there's a picture of clip of Mao (like Darth Vader!)
Damn dont get me started with those nutballs.

Are they really a cult?
Well for beginners lets just say they believe that their leader, Li Hongzhi is a reincarnated Buddha here to save humanity. He predicted a doomsday that was supposed to happen a few years ago but of course it didn't happen. Then they simply forgot about the prophecy. How convenient. There are plenty of Falungong silliness around if u pay attention.

I have personal issues with that cult. The father of one of my best friend was harrassed by Falungong day and night, and he eventually died of cancer, just weeks before Falungong was outlawed. Why did they harrass him? simply cause he wrote an article denouncing Falungong superstition and urged his students to "think it thro".

Falungong advertised his death, claiming that "all those who oppose the Falun Dafa will eventually be punished by the Heaven". :angry:
agree with RSOC. The whole Falunshit is an exhibtion on how religion can do its worst. :D They advertise how they are supressed, but yet they oppress those who disagree with them.

[RedJacobin]

Originally posted by [email protected] 7 2005, 11:00 PM
This is somthing that has perplexed me for a long time. Are there any groups in china or a faction of the ccp that want to return to the maoist path?
i'd take everything printed in the NYTimes with a grain of salt (especially on China and international politics in general), but people might be interested in this article:

http://www.msu.edu/course/aec/810/clipping...lose%20land.htm (http://www.msu.edu/course/aec/810/clippings/Farmers%20lose%20land.htm)


Liu Zhandou, 57, is an old unreconstructed Maoist whose fervor led him to change his name during the Cultural Revolution in the 1960's. He took the given name Zhandou, which means struggle. He lives about four hours east of Yulin, in a traditional cave dwelling. He and his wife stack potatoes inside for winter and share a heated brick bed, called a kang. They have a small, battered television with an antenna that they keep protected inside a red velour cover.

Mr. Liu, a farmer, grows dates that he sells once a year in the provincial capital, Xian. He earned a populist reputation across northern Shaanxi Province after leading a tax revolt in the late 1990's against local officials. He even won a seat in his township's people's congress, without the endorsement of the Communist Party.

In June 2003, Mr. Liu met with Sanchawan farmers and took up their cause. He has no legal training, though his high school education puts him above most farmers. He still wears a Mao button on his jacket and says local governments that seize land are no different from the corrupt landlords and officials of the Nationalist government in the pre-Communist era.

[RedJacobin]

here's some more links that might be of interest, including an open letter written in 2002 by fourteen CCP veterans opposing the admission of capitalists to the party:

http://www.monthlyreview.org/0502cpc.htm

http://www.monthlyreview.org/0502cpc2.htm

http://www.monthlyreview.org/0502cpc3.htm