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Entrails Konfetti
6th December 2005, 17:50
I'm not talking about how Capitalists claim the Communism undermines democracy.

There are two main problems I see with implemting Communism.
Maybe the first can be answered, and we know the second is inevitable.

1. All revolutions have historically trashed the economy, the beginning stages of Communism needs a strong economy, and an industrialized environment to work with, otherwize production is very slow, and public spending for social programs, education, and healthcare is very low. Are we to depend entirely on the patience of ourselves, and other workers: with the education on how to run things?

2. If Communism is tried to be implemented through reform, the are measures within bourgoeis republics to suppress it, and the class-consiousness of the bourgoeisie would interupt anything truly progressive. The state machinery is only to be used by the bourgoeisie.

RevolverNo9
6th December 2005, 19:14
I think it is easier to invert your question order:

2: Quite so. This is why Reformism is inherently flawed.

1: Pertinent point. Undoubtedly economic upheavel will be intrinsic in revolution. However the productive forces will be 'unfettered', that is to say those elements of capitalism that hold back the economic development of the sections of society currently responsible for production will have been eliminated. No waste from competition, no check on the amelioration of the population, no evasion of socially positive produection etc... will mean a stable and strong economy after an inevitable period of turbulence.

I think it would be logical to say that a population who have had the drive and motivation to overthrow a whole social system will be similarly empowered to 'weather' a considerable length of turmoil. Furthermore, their outlook will be tempered by great optimism and expectation concerning the prospects of what future society holds. If nothing else, no-one will want to hear that their endeavours have been worthless - it is natural to fight as much as possisble to carry the conclusions of one's actions through.

Observe for how long revolutionary optimism persisted in the USSR. People from all walks of life, (inside and outside of the country) were loathe to let go of what they had believed in. It took a massacre carried out by Soviet tanks to disillusion many people.

Revolutions get lots of leeway. Anything else is pissing over the extraordinairy efforts of a multitud eof individuals.