Conservative punk?

[JKP]

http://www.conservativepunk.com/index.asp

Ughhh.

[Wanted Man]

Haha, that's terrible. They're actually eagerly awaiting the draft. :lol:

[BattleOfTheCowshed]

Wow. Lamest group of punks. Ever.

[encephalon]

that's as preposterous as nazibols. For fuck's sake.

[Hampton]

That's the dude who was in the Misfits, Michale Graves. He was on the Daily Show a while ago during the election talking about how people were sending him hate email because of it. Quite the asshole if you ask me.

[Clarksist]

C'mon! That isn't punk!!!

I suppose you can play punk rock and be a conservative douche, but you can't be a punk.

[Intifada]

That is the dumbest site I have seen for a long time.

[Wiesty]

lol what a bunch of lamos

[Edelweiss]

Conservative Punk was a reaction of some pseudo-punks to Fat Mike's (singer of NOFX, and owner of Fat Wreck Chords) punkvoter.com and Rock against Bush campaign, which was in fact a pretty brazen "Vote Kerrry" campaign. I'm not saying Fat Mike's Kerry campaign isn't any better at all than conservativepunk.com, but still it is highly qiestionable IMO. See Propagandhi's (also on Fat Wreck) appopiate reaction (http://www.punknews.org/article.php?thold=-1&mode=flat&order=0&sid=8664) to it.

[HoorayForTheRedBlackandGreen]

Wow, 23 member-bands!

What a bunch of morons. You know something's amiss when an organization is entitled "Conservative Punk."

CONSERVATIVE PUNK FOR FUCK'S SAKE!!

[gewehr_3]

Did you SEE that CAPITALISM: SMASH THE WELFARE STATE tshirt complete w/ anarchy A???
ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhHHHHHHH <_<

[Craig]

I came across the the so-called "conservative punk" website sometime last year. I don&#39;t remember for sure, but I think I found the link on the Alternative Tentacles (http://www.alternativetentacles.com/) page.

I was sufficiently pissed off enough to launch into a rant about it on my site. I&#39;ll spare you the pain of reading the whole thing, but this one paragraph pretty much sums up my argument:

What could possibly be more un-punk than that? Punk rock, regardless of the political ideologies of individual artists, was still a revolutionary force in music. It was (and is) about doing new things. Punk is rebellion against the status quo. It&#39;s about questioning everything and pushing the boundaries of what is acceptable.
If you are a masochist and don&#39;t mind my poor grammar, you can read the whole entry here (http://www.twolegsbad.org/blog/article.php/125).

[Jimmie Higgins]

There used to be this site GOPunk, and I looked them up when I saw this thread and they&#39;ve really been beaten down in the last few years. When it first started it was a lot of conservative constantly defending themselves from outraged punks that went to the forum and if you even mentioned the Dead Kennedys or anthing the conservatives would be infuriated. Now I looked and there was one person online at the site and a topic about how good the Dead Kennedys are and one called "Bob Dylan is a GOD".

I don&#39;t think "conservative punk" is a real threat to "punk" because it can never catch on. Nazi punk is a threat and apolitical punk is even more of a threat than conservative punk.

[Jimmie Higgins]

Originally posted by [email protected] 7 2005, 12:03 AM
I came across the the so-called "conservative punk" website sometime last year. I don&#39;t remember for sure, but I think I found the link on the Alternative Tentacles (http://www.alternativetentacles.com/) page.

I was sufficiently pissed off enough to launch into a rant about it on my site. I&#39;ll spare you the pain of reading the whole thing, but this one paragraph pretty much sums up my argument:

What could possibly be more un-punk than that? Punk rock, regardless of the political ideologies of individual artists, was still a revolutionary force in music. It was (and is) about doing new things. Punk is rebellion against the status quo. It&#39;s about questioning everything and pushing the boundaries of what is acceptable.
If you are a masochist and don&#39;t mind my poor grammar, you can read the whole entry here (http://www.twolegsbad.org/blog/article.php/125).
Nice website and anyone who puts a link to Counterpunch on there automatically gets bonus points from me... +5&#33;

[CCCPneubauten]

Wait, are the Misfits conservative?

[PRC-UTE]

I read that at least one of the Ramones was a conservative. I don&#39;t recall seeing that reflected in their music really, though it was basically apolitical.

I agree that these are the worst punks ever... what the hell are they rebelling against? :lol:

[Entrails Konfetti]

Originally posted by [email protected] 7 2005, 04:01 AM
I read that at least one of the Ramones was a conservative. I don&#39;t recall seeing that reflected in their music really, though it was basically apolitical.

I agree that these are the worst punks ever... what the hell are they rebelling against? :lol:
The Ramones WERE conservative. Johnny Ramone voted for Ronald Reagan, the song "Bonzo Goes to Bitburg" is about their praise for Reagan.

They especially hate Communists, in one of their songs "Comando", one line mentions to "Never talk to Commies".

We can always trust that the Clash were leftist, even though they were on CBS records, though they were still the antithesis of CBS. Funny really&#33;

As for Johnny Rotten, I&#39;m beginning to have my doubts, if you google "John Lydon on politics" you&#39;ll know what I&#39;m saying.

[Jimmie Higgins]

I&#39;m not a fan of the Ramones all that much, and Johnny was a Republican, but Joey was more of a Democrat and the song "Bonzo Goes to Bitburg" is a satire of Reagan according to Joey.


Edit: Johnny Rotten wasn&#39;t an anarchIest either, nor was he the anti-christ.

Jello Biafra ran for President in in the Green Party.

THe Redskins were trotskyist.

The Clash rock, homie.

[Palmares]

This is narrow thinking towards punk as a sound, rather than as a theory and way of life that created the sound.

[Entrails Konfetti]

Originally posted by [email protected] 7 2005, 06:29 AM
Edit: Johnny Rotten wasn&#39;t an anarchIest either, nor was he the anti-christ.


I know, but there was a track on Public Image LTDs Metal Box entitled "Socialist", and in his autobiography Rotten and the movie The Filth and the Fury he talks alot about what it means to be working-class.

But last year he attended Democrat and Republican primaries, just because he, "found American democracy amusing"; yet, when asked by reporters why he wasn&#39;t in the crowd of protesters outside the primaries he said " And stand with that dirty lot who haven&#39;t showered in years, no thankyou&#33;". Also when a protestor confronted him about being a sell-out he said " Yeah thats right", and " Don&#39;t make war, make money&#33;"

As for Jello Biafra, I&#39;m quite dissapointed in him. After all, he made a platform for himself out of revolutionary ideas and action, but claims " I&#39;m not a dangerous person,I&#39;m not like the members of CRASS."

I mean comeon like "Lets lynch the LandLord" doesn&#39;t sound Socialist to you.

As for CRASS, I&#39;m quite happy with them. The ditched passive resistence for a violent-revolution (Conflict).

[Jimmie Higgins]

Don&#39;t get me wrong, I love the Dead Kennedys and the Sex Pistols (and Nirvana) got me into punk when I was a kid. I don&#39;t think artists punk or otherwise have to be revolutionaries to be able to have a positive influence let alone to have good songs.

I hate the animal rights crap in a lot of anarchist punk, but I still like the music. Crass has several songs saying that Marx was an idiot. I&#39;m a marxist but I looove Crass.

[Craig]

Originally posted by [email protected] 7 2005, 12:43 AM
Nice website and anyone who puts a link to Counterpunch on there automatically gets bonus points from me... +5&#33;
Thanks for the compliment. The site itself is half vanity project and half programming experiment...

And I love Counterpunch (http://www.counterpunch.org/). It&#39;s part of my morning ritual.

[Entrails Konfetti]

Originally posted by [email protected] 7 2005, 07:09 PM
Don&#39;t get me wrong, I love the Dead Kennedys and the Sex Pistols (and Nirvana) got me into punk when I was a kid. I don&#39;t think artists punk or otherwise have to be revolutionaries to be able to have a positive influence let alone to have good songs.
Yeah same here the Dead Kennedys and the Sex Pistols were the first punk bands I heard, which got me into punk. Jello Biafra intriduced me into the realm of politics, and why it is important.

Punk artists don&#39;t mecessarily have to be revolutionaries, I just wish they would say what they mean. They&#39;re sending confusing messages.


I hate the animal rights crap in a lot of anarchist punk, but I still like the music. Crass has several songs saying that Marx was an idiot. I&#39;m a marxist but I looove Crass.

I feel the same way but Marxist ideas at that time were hi-jacked by despots. "They&#39;ve got Big Hands" and "So What?" are my favourite songs.

[Jimmie Higgins]

Originally posted by EL KABLAMO+Dec 7 2005, 07:30 PM--> (EL KABLAMO @ Dec 7 2005, 07:30 PM)
[email protected] 7 2005, 07:09 PM
Don&#39;t get me wrong, I love the Dead Kennedys and the Sex Pistols (and Nirvana) got me into punk when I was a kid. I don&#39;t think artists punk or otherwise have to be revolutionaries to be able to have a positive influence let alone to have good songs.
Yeah same here the Dead Kennedys and the Sex Pistols were the first punk bands I heard, which got me into punk. Jello Biafra intriduced me into the realm of politics, and why it is important.

Punk artists don&#39;t mecessarily have to be revolutionaries, I just wish they would say what they mean. They&#39;re sending confusing messages.


I hate the animal rights crap in a lot of anarchist punk, but I still like the music. Crass has several songs saying that Marx was an idiot. I&#39;m a marxist but I looove Crass.

I feel the same way but Marxist ideas at that time were hi-jacked by despots. "They&#39;ve got Big Hands" and "So What?" are my favourite songs. [/b]
"So what" is a great song&#33; Too much attitude for one soundsystem to handle&#33;

And yeah, good point about their criticisms are coming from a specific place in the history of British Marxism. But still it bothers me when someone tries to compare marxism to a religion... almost as much as it bothers me when marxists treat marxism as a religion&#33; :D


On a punk idol side-note. Yeah, fuck rock stars, but I have to admit when I saw both Jello Biafra and Johnny Rotten within the space of two days at the protests at the Democratic national convention in 2000, I turned instantly from dedicated revolutionary and onetime punk-kid into a screechy-little teeny-bobber.

What&#39;s telling is that Jellow was speaking at an inpromtu rally held by anarchists and Rotten was being escorted into the DNC through the back. In Rotten&#39;s defense, I later learned he was getting footage of the convention for a satire on his MTV show... still telling of the different roads these figures have taken.

[Palmares]

I think you guys are missing much of what CRASS&#39;s message was.

It wasn&#39;t just in relation to "British Marxism", but ideology as a whole.

CRASS to me are perhaps the best example of authentic punk, with the song "Punk is dead" depicting this in that it related "punk" as an ideology to rigid orthodoxy, or even capitalist cooptation. If punk truly ever existed, or what it truly is to be punk, they are an example of it relating to situationist ideas. Creativity, dynamism, free expression, et cetera.

Just read into the problems between anarchism and Marxism if you still don&#39;t understand, especially related to dynamism vs orthodoxy.

[Jimmie Higgins]

I think you guys are missing much of what CRASS&#39;s message was.

Ut-oh, it&#39;s the CRASS police&#33;

No officer, I swear I was enjoying CRASS the lawful and correct way&#33;:D

[Palmares]

Was that some sort of argument?

So the "Communist Party" in China can enjoy "communism" in their own way?

Authenticity is an integral part of freedom, and that is why capitalism creates conformity and homogeny.

You may well be able to enjoy CRASS&#39;s expression in whatever way you feel empathy with their feelings, but that by no means alludes to you being able to coopt the fundamental ethos that is a part of who they are.

You can screw your punk credentials, your the one that takes the fash.

[visceroid]

i actually have been visiting the site for quite some time. i found it a pleasant change from arguing with trots and agreeing with others. its more of a libertarian site than a conservative one.

in the misc section of the forums, some of the people arent that bad a people, but in the debates forum some of them can be quite... crass, there are some tough debaters there.

there are a few commies on the site already, but you have to say you are a socialist else you may get banned as commies are not allowed, but they are quite slack with this rule. virginmolotovcocktail was a member for quite a while, but got banned around the time i joined.


i suggest some people take a look, back me up in the lions den, if you will...

my username on the forum is "mwak"

[The Grey Blur]

Originally posted by [email protected] 8 2005, 09:40 AM
If punk truly ever existed, or what it truly is to be punk, they are an example of it relating to situationist ideas. Creativity, dynamism, free expression, et cetera.

Or how about : CRASS KILLED PUNK http://www.punk77.co.uk/groups/crass.htm

[Jimmie Higgins]

Originally posted by Rage Against The Machine+Dec 8 2005, 05:52 PM--> (Rage Against The Machine @ Dec 8 2005, 05:52 PM)
[email protected] 8 2005, 09:40 AM
If punk truly ever existed, or what it truly is to be punk, they are an example of it relating to situationist ideas. Creativity, dynamism, free expression, et cetera.

Or how about : CRASS KILLED PUNK http://www.punk77.co.uk/groups/crass.htm [/b]
Whoop-whoop Damn, it&#39;s the punk 5-0 again.

Sorry officer are my piercings regulation?

-just clownin&#39; don&#39;t take no offense.

[Qwerty Dvorak]

these people are morons, lol. but no, i highly doubt conservative punk is "nazi punk lite".

[Palmares]

Originally posted by Rage Against The Machine+Dec 9 2005, 03:52 AM--> (Rage Against The Machine @ Dec 9 2005, 03:52 AM)
[email protected] 8 2005, 09:40 AM
If punk truly ever existed, or what it truly is to be punk, they are an example of it relating to situationist ideas. Creativity, dynamism, free expression, et cetera.

Or how about : CRASS KILLED PUNK http://www.punk77.co.uk/groups/crass.htm [/b]
They make some fair points. But this is a typically reactionary view.

What CRASS did, and as a result influenced, was that of which attacked the cooptation of what was "punk" by consumerism and the fashioncore.

For example, many anarcho-type punks wear mainly black clothing with distinct political imagery and messages in opposition to the fashioncore punk having trendy colours and patches: and alot of them; which lend to losing whatever social and cultural message there was (or might have been).

Otherwise, people might think the Exploited are punks... :lol:

[The Grey Blur]

&#33; - I was kiddin with that Crass thing :lol: If you click &#39;Balancing The View&#39; the guy does just that.