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thoughtcriminal
14th February 2003, 19:03
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/01/31/...ain538758.shtml (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/01/31/60minutes/rooney/main538758.shtml)

Try Tuning This Out

NEW YORK, Feb. 9, 2003

(CBS) A weekly commentary by CBS News correspondent Andy Rooney.


As I'm sure you know, some television viewers tune out when the commercials come on. Naturally, advertisers don't like that, because they're paying for the show you're watching.

A Hollywood producer named Michael Davies is going to do something about it. He's going to make television shows where the advertising message will be part of the shows themselves - not interruptions. This will make it impossible for people to tune out the commercial.

Because I don't want to be left behind any new technology in television, I decided to see if I could put commercials in my pieces.

In order to be loyal to our sponsors in this sample piece, I'll use products that have actually been advertised on 60 Minutes. You should remember them:
Staples

Saturn

Ion

Breathe Right

Celebrex

Dulcolax

Lenscrafters

Zoloft

Zocor

Pepcid

Serenity Dry Active Liners

Theraflu

OK. Now, say for example, I wanted to talk about war with Iraq and include commercials in that. Here's how it might go:

It's my opinion we should not attack Iraq without the support of the United Nations. The trouble with that is, the U.N. is so tied up with red tape and paperwork, it can't decide what to do. For your paperwork problems and the very in best red tape, visit a Staples office supply store near you.

Or this:

President Bush seems intent on taking us to war with Iraq. If we attack, the Army will probably need about 1,500 MI tanks. One tank costs about $3 three million.

General Motors made these tanks. General Motors also makes the Saturn car. You could buy 200 Saturns for what one tank costs the Army. Zero percent financing. Offer ends March l.

And this:

Speaking of Iraq, let me read you something President Bush said in referring to Saddam Hussein: "I am sick and tired of games and deceptions."

Americans are almost evenly divided about going to war. Some approve, others strongly oppose the idea. If the thought of going to war turns your stomach, try Pepcid AC, just one and heartburn's done.

If you are seriously upset by the thought of war with Iraq, take Zoloft, Dulcolax, Thera-Flu, Celebrex or Serenity Guards for urine leakage. Ask your doctor which is right for you.

And finally:

“I want to apologize tonight for my voice. I have a slight cold. I should have worn a Breathe Right nasal strip. There, don't I sound better?


So, what do you think about integrating commercials into my pieces like that?


(Edited by thoughtcriminal at 7:04 pm on Feb. 14, 2003)

Doshka
14th February 2003, 20:28
haha i love yor name...1984...one of the best books of all time

deimos
14th February 2003, 21:05
Thankgod we have TV channels like "Arte" in europe...

MJM
14th February 2003, 21:19
Apparently it's already being done, more subltly than the article above mentions.
Seinfield was the leading force behind it I think. They fit consumer goods into the set so they enter into your unconcious mind.


TV is worse than the supposed propaganda broadcast into homes in north korea. I don't know if the north korea thing is true, but in the west it is.
The mind boggles at how people aren't talking about the propaganda being fed into their houses through TV.

Conghaileach
14th February 2003, 23:16
This was mentioned in The Truman Show, where they used product placement because they couldn't interrupt the show with advertisements. It'd be just like watching a James Bond film, only much more obvious.

I thought that subliminal messages were illegal. I remember hearing that Coca-Cola got in some trouble because in one of their adverts they flashed 'Drink Coca-Cola' across the screen so fast that it wasn't processed but entered the subconscious. People then had 'Drink Coca-Cola' on their minds, and couldn't explain why, so assumed that they wanted to drink Coca-Cola.

Dr. Rosenpenis
14th February 2003, 23:20
Ciaran, I don't understand how you can absorb a piece of information without being concious of the fact that you saw it. Sound a bit strange to me.

Lefty
15th February 2003, 00:18
It has to do with your subconscious. Freud would explain it, but I don't think he's here right now, lol

Sorry...I'm stoned.

CopperGoat
15th February 2003, 02:33
I liked the show Seinfeld. It was funny. Are you sure about the consumer goods thing?

MJM
15th February 2003, 02:59
I'm about 95% sure.

It was a long time a go I heard it, maybe it was in No Logo can't remember.

I like sienfeld too, it's a funny show and one of the only shows I watch on TV other than news reports.

I'm not talking about subliminal messages, just well placed items and conversation around consumer products.


ie
JERRY
"So whats been happening at the Yankees George?"

GEORGE
"Oh not much but somebodies been stealing my Pepsi and I'm going to find out who it is."

ELAINE
"You know they say Pepsi makes you're teeth clean, guess you won't be shelling out for (some brand of tooth whitener) anymore."

JERRY
"I had a girlfriend once who would feed her dog that stuff, I smuggled in some Bruno for him once but she caught me getting it out from my pants in the bathroom, the dog nearly tore them off trying to get the food off me, it was a very compromising situation, very compromising"

I'm sure you get the picture :)



(Edited by MJM at 3:47 pm on Feb. 15, 2003)

sin miedo
15th February 2003, 03:35
They've been doing it in movies for years, and I mean years. TV shows too. It really pisses me off, because unlike my less enlightened friends, I can catch all that shit, and it bugs me too no end.

Disgustipated
15th February 2003, 18:32
This was bound to happen. Product placement on TV shows has become rampant in the last couple of years. Between kids in school being subjected to advertising on Channel 1, and product placement on shows on TV, there's barely a minute of a day that goes buy without some corporation barking ads at you.

deimos
15th February 2003, 18:50
they made something like that in an austrian quiz show 2 years ago. They always started their question: Die Kronen Zeitung berichtete dass...(The Krone newspaper reported....) But it was illegal, so the krone newspaper(its crap) had to pay a BIG fine...

Dhul Fiqar
16th February 2003, 12:27
Quote: from Lefty on 8:18 am on Feb. 15, 2003
It has to do with your subconscious. Freud would explain it, but I don't think he's here right now, lol

Sorry...I'm stoned.


Freud actually never theorized the subconscious, he used the term "unconscious" for what you're talking about. I wouldn't have nitpicked like this, except that I envy you for being stoned and had nothing better to do ;)
MJM: good analogy with the DPRK speaker system, it's sadly a fact that many larger apartmentbuildings have these in the hallways and they play loudly every morning with stuff like: "WELCOME TO A NEW DAY IN THE SOCIALIST PARADISE!! YOU ARE THE LUCKIEST PEOPLE ALIVE!!" etc. ;)

--- G.

suffianr
16th February 2003, 13:09
LOL, we have government-sponsored adverts on Malaysian television. Dead give-away propaganda; the ads look like they were done in the eighties, with mono sound and bright, flashy pictures of national day parades and the party leaders planting flowers, visiting the poor and other sort of shit. :biggrin:

Hegemonicretribution
16th February 2003, 13:28
Anyone else quit watching T.V. pretty much altogether? I did when I was 15 maybe just 16, and have been able to read so much more.

Non-Sectarian Bastard!
16th February 2003, 14:43
Q...Q.Quit TV?

I fuckin need a half hour tv each day.

If someone goes to buy a product, for instance in the supermarket, he has a large choice. Many types of drinks, wich one to choose? If a friend of you was positief about a product, you obviously buy that one. Because you take the information in trust, in sticks into your mind, "Cola is good!".

Now back to the tv shows, when you're really into the show, with your thoughts in the show, they sent quikly a flashing image of for instance Cola, it sticks into your mind and when you go to the supermarket and decide wich brand to buy. Suddenly it comes up,"Cola is good!", you yourself have no clue why it's good, but you buy it, because you think that some friend said it to you or that you had some earlier good experience with Cola.

This is an short explanation how it works.

nz revolution
16th February 2003, 19:34
well i guess I wont be able to stand even looking at the TV even if it is off, I hate ads so much

Yeah I quit years ago, now i only watch the news when i know something might be on yeah when i was about 16 too, 18 now...

(Edited by nz revolution at 7:36 am on Feb. 17, 2003)