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Andy Bowden
2nd December 2005, 21:13
Were they a just resistance organisation against Serbian aggression, or a mafia gang with links to NATO?

Answers on a postcard comrades :)

Wanted Man
2nd December 2005, 21:18
Murdering mobsters, much like the NATO itself. Of course you never hear about the ethnic cleansing that is happening in Kosovo now.

Andy Bowden
2nd December 2005, 21:20
True, the KLA has been allegedly responsible for ethnically cleansing the Roma Gypsy population of Kosova.

Lamanov
2nd December 2005, 22:39
Roma Gypsy? I'm not surprised you didn't hear about it -- but they participate in cleansing everyone. Serb population especially.

Alot of the financing of KLA comes from organized criminal activities. Their leaders today are pretty much Kosovo top mob bosses.

Andy Bowden
2nd December 2005, 22:55
I know some organisations on the Left supported the KLA. The CPGB in Britain (not to be confused with the half a million other CP's ;) ) and the DSP in Australia both had an "Arm the KLA" slogan at one point.


I wonder if they've changed their stand...

Scars
3rd December 2005, 00:04
The KLA existed prior to the NATO intervention, but are essentially a group of criminals with military weapons (bought in Albania when the state armouries were raided in '97).

Don't support them. It's like asking for herpes.

Andy Bowden
3rd December 2005, 00:20
Does anyone know about KLA past links to Enver Hoxhas regime - I read they went from having Marxism-Leninism on their paper to thankyou NATO at one point...

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Scars
3rd December 2005, 01:06
Originally posted by Andy [email protected] 3 2005, 12:31 AM
Does anyone know about KLA past links to Enver Hoxhas regime - I read they went from having Marxism-Leninism on their paper to thankyou NATO at one point...

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They were never leftist, they are and always have been a nationalist organisation with strong links to organised crime. In fact the KLA only came into existance after Socialist Albania fell- the name &#39;Kosovo Liberation Army&#39; was first used in &#39;92 (Albania collapsed &#39;91). The thing about the KLA is that they ganered a whole lot of support from almost every section of society during the war because they were pretty much the only ones to be out there fighting the Serbs. However their ideology has always been fairly hazy, some want Kosovo to be indepenent, some want it to be part of Albania (&#39;Greater Albania&#39;), some what it to be an autonomous region in Serbia, like the Serbian areas of Bosnia and some are happy to be part of Serbia- they just want to continue to exist as living, breathing human beings.

Hoxha was in favour of &#39;Greater Albania&#39; and always claimed that Kosovo should be part of Albania and this was a point of tension between Yugoslavia and Albania for pretty much their entire existance. Ethnically people in Kosovo are Albanian, and they speak a form of Albanian, but culturally they&#39;re distinct (but even within Albania there are two distinct groups- the Tosks and Gheg). Hoxha set up and supported organisations within Kosovo that agitated for Greater Albania and there were various riots and civil unrest in Kosovo during the existance of Yugoslavia (but that goes for pretty much everywhere).

There is a Macedonian version too, the Ushtria Ēlirimtare Kombėtare (UCK, same shortening as the KLA, whose proper name is the Ushtria Ēlirimtare e Kosovės) who are essentially the same as the one in Kosovo, much of the membership is the same too. Ethnic Albanian Nationalists with strong links to organised crime.

Don&#39;t support either of them.

Severian
3rd December 2005, 07:48
Originally posted by Andy [email protected] 2 2005, 06:31 PM
Does anyone know about KLA past links to Enver Hoxhas regime - I read they went from having Marxism-Leninism on their paper to thankyou NATO at one point...

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There were, historically, a number of pro-Enver Hoxha illegal groups in Kosova. They were part of the various actions demanding autonomy (which was conceded by the Yugoslav government at one point) and later republic status, etc.

There&#39;s some indication that the KLA partly derived from those groups.

As far as your initial question, either answer is probably simplistic.

Andy Bowden
3rd December 2005, 21:21
Your right, either answer probably is simplisic.

Heres one I&#39;ll try and rephrase better,


Are the KLA a national-liberation movt that is on balance, to be supported - or a racist and sectarian organisation to be opposed, despite serb chauvinism?

Lamanov
3rd December 2005, 21:45
To be opposed, as any nationalist organization.

I&#39;m saying this regardless of the fact that I&#39;m a Serb. I have zero national motives. Who ever might suspect otherwise deserves a good ass kickin&#39;. ;)

Severian
5th December 2005, 01:07
It&#39;s not progressive in any class sense, and it&#39;s part of the general problem of multi-sided chauvinism in the former Yugoslavia. So I gotta agree with DJ-TC.

I think self-determination for Kosova should be supported, and the mass movement for that goal was progressive in its dynamic....

Morpheus
6th December 2005, 04:39
The CIA admitted to supporting the KLA. They&#39;re imperialist tools.

Scars
7th December 2005, 02:11
Originally posted by [email protected] 6 2005, 04:50 AM
The CIA admitted to supporting the KLA. They&#39;re imperialist tools.
Accepting money from Imperialists doesn&#39;t automatically make you reactionary, however in this case they were reactionary from their birth.