if Che Guevara was still here..........

[ReD_ReBeL]

If Che Guevara was still around u dont thinnk he would support Saddam Hussein and al-queda do you?
that thought was just lingering in my head, i personally hope he wouldent help Al-queda and Saddam loyalists fight off the US becoz bought sides r terrible.
What do you think?

[La_revolucion_Vive]

i dont think he would support them. but deffenely oppose the USA ocupation of iraq and call it illegal .who know maybe he be there today fighting for the iraqy ppl not for saddan. but hey, who knows....

[Simotix]

In my personal opinion, he won't be. He was a true revolutionaty, his life and death was made for the battlefield. If it death was not in Bolivia, it would have been else where.

Oh yea, and there is the age factor as to why he would not be fighting right now.

[ReD_ReBeL]

lol sorry didnt make it cleaer i mean if he was the age now as he was wen he fought for Cuba, Bolivia, Congo etc

[Hopes_Guevara]

I am sure that he wouldn't have supported both of them. The actions of Al-Queda cannot be forgiven and Saddam is jusk like a dictator. He would have possibly fought for Iraki people against the US army, as he had done in Congo and Bolivia...

[Correa]

I think Che would speak out against the American adventure in Iraq, but he wouldn't join unless there was a left-wing movement involved.

[Northern Revolutionary]

"The enemies of our enemies are our friends" :P
But still I dont believe he would.

[Alexknucklehead]

Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2005, 02:49 AM
and Saddam is jusk like a dictator.
Yea of course a Stalinist like Che wouldn't have supported a dictator, what utter madness :rolleyes:

[ReD_ReBeL]

yes but Stalin was a dictator of the prolaterat and Saddam is a border-line facist, although Saddam was a very big supporter of Stalin and read all of his books and everything and was a supporter of Nasser. And Che was very critical of the soviet union so i doubt it that he loved Stalin, maybe admired so aspects of his ideas for Russia but i wouldent say he loved him. Just like how Hitler admired the British Empire . plus Saddam is an evil sick fuck who made the people of iraq live in fear, and wenever Saddams sons saw a girl they liked they would go upto them and take thm sumwhere to fuck, and if thy said no there would be consequences.

[Karl Marx's Camel]

And Che was very critical of the soviet union

Critical of the Soviet Union after Stalin, I believe..


Just like how Hitler admired the British Empire

I wouldn't compare Hitler's admiration for the British Empire, with Che's admiration of the Soviet Union.


and wenever Saddams sons saw a girl they liked they would go upto them and take thm sumwhere to fuck, and if thy said no there would be consequences.

Even though I am sure they were bastards, we shouldn't take everything CNN says for granted.

[Chavista]

Originally posted by Alexknucklehead+Dec 7 2005, 07:12 PM--> (Alexknucklehead @ Dec 7 2005, 07:12 PM)
[email protected] 3 2005, 02:49 AM
and Saddam is jusk like a dictator.
Yea of course a Stalinist like Che wouldn't have supported a dictator, what utter madness :rolleyes: [/b]
Che was not a Stalinist (not that Stalin was horrible, by the way). I do not think Che would support Al-Queda because he was very pro-equality and had women fighting beside him. I do think that he would be against the US occupation of any country including Iraq.

[fernando]

Originally posted by [email protected] 7 2005, 09:18 PM

And Che was very critical of the soviet union

Critical of the Soviet Union after Stalin, I believe..


Just like how Hitler admired the British Empire

I wouldn't compare Hitler's admiration for the British Empire, with Che's admiration of the Soviet Union.


I think Stalin should be respected for turning the USSR in the superpower it had become...before the Revolution the USSR was several centuries behind on Western Europe...Stalin created a mass industry in just a few years...not that Im saying Stalin was a nice guy...

I like the remark Che made against the Russians when he was served food in Russia on expensive china: "Is this how the proletariat lives in Russia?"

[ReD_ReBeL]

no i should not respect sum1 who turned the country into a superpower yet millions died, tht exact arguement could be made to Hitler too, you respect Hitler for turning Germany into a non-backwards country yet loads of Germans died?

[fernando]

You can respect a person for certain aspects and hate them for another. However before Hitler came to power Germany wasnt a backward country...Russia was before the Revolution. Im still curious how things would have been if Trotsky would have been in power.

[ReD_ReBeL]

actualy Germany was a pretty backward country after World War 1 , the country was left in ruins and shortage of supplies to live off. This is why before Hitler there was a tiny revolution by the communist party to try get to power but thy where fought offand the german ppl voted for Hitler in power becoz thy fought tht he was a strong leader and would rebuild the country to pre-WW1 conditions, but little did thy know he was an egotistical maniac who actualy build the country far better thn it was pre-WW1.

[Chavista]

Originally posted by [email protected] 8 2005, 12:54 AM
You can respect a person for certain aspects and hate them for another. However before Hitler came to power Germany wasnt a backward country...Russia was before the Revolution. Im still curious how things would have been if Trotsky would have been in power.
First of all.... please do not compare Stalin to Hitler. :(

To answer the Trotsky question --if he was in power the revolution would have lasted for about two seconds until he betrayed it.

[More Fire for the People]

...
To answer the Trotsky question --if he was in power the revolution would have lasted for about two seconds until he betrayed it.
Haha, Indeed. Or he would have created a totalitarian country. Did you know that Trotsky wanted to force unions to operate under military (as in capitalist style military) operations? Makes one wonder what he would do with the state.

[Correa]

Are you guys suggesting the USSR would have been worse off if Trotsky (the man who predicted the fate of the Soviet Union) would have assumed power?

[Chavista]

Originally posted by [email protected] 8 2005, 02:51 AM
Are you guys suggesting the USSR would have been worse off if Trotsky (the man who predicted the fate of the Soviet Union) would have assumed power?
oh Hell yes! :lol:

[Correa]

"No part of the human community can live entirely on its own planet, with its own laws of motion and cut off from the rest of humanity." -Hugo Chavez

Chavez's quote on your sig goes against Stalinism, but okay I respect your opinion.

[matiasm]

Originally posted by Alexknucklehead+Dec 7 2005, 07:12 PM--> (Alexknucklehead @ Dec 7 2005, 07:12 PM)
[email protected] 3 2005, 02:49 AM
and Saddam is jusk like a dictator.
Yea of course a Stalinist like Che wouldn't have supported a dictator, what utter madness :rolleyes: [/b]
Che wasnt a stalinist!!!!!!

[fernando]

Originally posted by Chavista+Dec 8 2005, 02:34 AM--> (Chavista @ Dec 8 2005, 02:34 AM)
[email protected] 8 2005, 12:54 AM
You can respect a person for certain aspects and hate them for another. However before Hitler came to power Germany wasnt a backward country...Russia was before the Revolution. Im still curious how things would have been if Trotsky would have been in power.
First of all.... please do not compare Stalin to Hitler. :(

To answer the Trotsky question --if he was in power the revolution would have lasted for about two seconds until he betrayed it. [/b]
Hey go complain the Red Rebel about that :P He brought up Hitler.


actualy Germany was a pretty backward country after World War 1 , the country was left in ruins and shortage of supplies to live off. This is why before Hitler there was a tiny revolution by the communist party to try get to power but thy where fought offand the german ppl voted for Hitler in power becoz thy fought tht he was a strong leader and would rebuild the country to pre-WW1 conditions, but little did thy know he was an egotistical maniac who actualy build the country far better thn it was pre-WW1.
Germany wasnt really in ruins...WWI wasnt a "moving war" (WWII was the first one of that kind), the troops basicly met up at some battlefield and shoot the shit out of each other there in the trenches. Germany had to pay back France and Brittian yes..but Germany wasnt a backward country, it was already creating an industry before WWI that would have surpassed the British one.

If you put pre WWI Brittian and Russia to each other you can see that Russia was several hunderd years behind.

[Chavista]

Originally posted by [email protected] 8 2005, 05:18 AM

"No part of the human community can live entirely on its own planet, with its own laws of motion and cut off from the rest of humanity." -Hugo Chavez

Chavez's quote on your sig goes against Stalinism, but okay I respect your opinion.
What does Chavez' quote have to do with my opinion of Trotsky (which is the question I was answering)?

The world today is not the same as the world then. I think Chavez is the best politician we have today and his style is suitable for his location and time.

[Correa]

What does Chavez' quote have to do with my opinion of Trotsky (which is the question I was answering)?

Nothing.


I think Chavez is the best politician we have today and his style is suitable for his location and time.

That would be Fidel Castro in my opinion, but Chavez comes in a strong 2nd.

[carlito]

"Germany had to pay back France and Brittian yes..but Germany wasnt a backward country, it was already creating an industry before WWI that would have surpassed the British one."

I think the whole reason that hitler got power so quickly, was because germany had to pay back france and britain. And the german citisens certainly were dissatisfied with this; with such a 'hefty bill', germany may not have been moving backward as you say, but it certainly was not moving forward.
Then enters hitler with his, 'lets blame it on the jews' theory and thye rest, excuse the pun, is history.
I personally would like to think that he would not have anything to do with al-queada. Since thier whole way of life is based around the idea of 'they are fighting a holy war'.
correct me if im wrong and i should really know this but i wouldn't think che was a religious man. Being communist an all!

[ReD_ReBeL]

yea Che an atheist. Fidel is/was catholic

[carlito]

:D thats what i thought!

[carlito]

"Castro is an atheist and has not been a practicing Roman Catholic since his childhood.
yea Che an atheist. Fidel is/was catholic

That's about the 10th incorrect thing you've posted on this board.


To be fair he did say fidel is 'slash' was catholic.
just as mao was\is confucian.
and just as i am\was a sun worshiper

[fernando]

Originally posted by [email protected] 9 2005, 06:08 PM

"Germany had to pay back France and Brittian yes..but Germany wasnt a backward country, it was already creating an industry before WWI that would have surpassed the British one."

I think the whole reason that hitler got power so quickly, was because germany had to pay back france and britain. And the german citisens certainly were dissatisfied with this; with such a 'hefty bill', germany may not have been moving backward as you say, but it certainly was not moving forward.
Then enters hitler with his, 'lets blame it on the jews' theory and thye rest, excuse the pun, is history.
I personally would like to think that he would not have anything to do with al-queada. Since thier whole way of life is based around the idea of 'they are fighting a holy war'.
correct me if im wrong and i should really know this but i wouldn't think che was a religious man. Being communist an all!
Well if we look back at it...it wasnt fair that Germany had to pay back France and Brittian..the Germans were picked as the ones fully responsible for the war, which is a lie...it was basicly the French and Brittish who wanted to keep their power because they were afraid of Germany's growth in my opinion.

Hitler came in...bringing in the "stab in the back legend" saying that the Germans back home should have supported the war and then they would have won...this was a popular statement amongst the military and elite. The Jews came in on the racial ideology of national socialism...they are an inferior race which had to be destroyed in their opinion.

But yeah to get back to the subject...Che working with Bin Laden and Al Qaeda? It would truly depend on how the situation would be..if the US as all its weapons aimed at Latin America, ready to fire them any moment or already staging a war I think working with Al Qaeda wouldnt be smething to be completely ignored...

[Red Rebel]

But yeah to get back to the subject...Che working with Bin Laden and Al Qaeda? It would truly depend on how the situation would be..if the US as all its weapons aimed at Latin America, ready to fire them any moment or already staging a war I think working with Al Qaeda wouldnt be smething to be completely ignored...

During the Soviet-Afghan War in would be possible thet Guevara would have went to Afghanistan. Osoma Bin Laden was part of the Mujahideen so I find it hard to believe that they would ever work together.

[Karl Marx's Camel]

During the Soviet-Afghan War in would be possible thet Guevara would have went to Afghanistan.
On what side?

[carlito]

I was baptised and raised Catholic until age 7, but never believed in God. So how could I be a Catholic if I wasn't even a theist?

I would still say, that you once were catholic, because you were 'raised' catholic. Until your at an age where you can think for yourself and renounce your faith, you would have still been catholic, Simply because of your being 'raised' in that faith.
so yes, even if you are an atheist...
i would stll have said that you once, was catholic. not because of your mindset, but because you were born into the religion.