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FistFullOfSteel
29th November 2005, 18:11
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ENJOY!

Noah
29th November 2005, 20:20
Nice pictures!! I like the way they've been modernised colour wise.

Awesome pics, the one where Che smokes the cigar and wears a shirt, doesn't look like him! does it?

Wiesty
29th November 2005, 20:29
The picture your refering to is when he went undercover i believe, i forget where to, i think bolivia

Vallegrande
29th November 2005, 20:46
Yeah that was the one before Bolivia. Che had all his hair plucked out except the sides to make him look old. He didn't look like himself after that, and Fidel had it tested during a party. I think that is the only way Che made it to Bolivia without being detected at first.

Spartacus
30th November 2005, 10:40
Great pictures. where did you find these colored ones, fistfullofsteel?


Awesome pics, the one where Che smokes the cigar and wears a shirt, doesn't look like him! does it?

haha, he looks like an associate of Al Capone there.

but yeah, that's when he went incognito to Bolivia:

http://www.latinamericanstudies.org/che/che-fidel.gif

http://www.latinamericanstudies.org/che/old-che.gif

http://www.latinamericanstudies.org/che/che-passport.gif

ack
30th November 2005, 13:32
Che-master of disguise! :che:

FistFullOfSteel
30th November 2005, 15:01
I found them at Google. ;)


Did Che wear contact lenses in Bolivia?





Btw; How accurate are this autopsy?

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB5/che10_4.htm

that1guy435
1st December 2005, 20:51
That picture's in Anderson's biography.

Wiesty
2nd December 2005, 02:45
hold up in the color one che looks like he's disguied but it looks like a different disguise, the black and white ones make him look a lot older, the hair line/glasses

Ownthink
2nd December 2005, 02:53
Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2005, 10:12 AM
I found them at Google. ;)


Did Che wear contact lenses in Bolivia?





Btw; How accurate are this autopsy?

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB5/che10_4.htm
He might have ;)

ReD_ReBeL
2nd December 2005, 18:06
yea thy shot him in numoures places so it didnt look like an execution so it looked like he was killed in battle

CheJoni
4th December 2005, 18:17
very nice pitures :wub:

Karl Marx's Camel
4th December 2005, 22:06
Why did Che have "scar along almost whole left side of back"?



yea thy shot him in numoures places so it didnt look like an execution so it looked like he was killed in battle

Why did they do that?

Janus
5th December 2005, 00:18
So that it would go with their cover story that Che was killed in battle at Quebrada del Yuro. The Bolivians wanted the Che story to end then and there because they knew that if they took him on trial it would only attract sympathy for Che and Cuba. However the Bolivians bungled their cover story because General Ovando announced that Che died the day before at 1:30 p.m. This meant that Che lived for twenty-two hours after the battle in Quebrada del Yuro, which contradicted Colonel Zenteno’s story. As a result, Colonel Zenteno changes his story to support General Ovando’s.

ReD_ReBeL
5th December 2005, 00:53
no no no, thy did shoot him numerous times to make it look like he was shoot in battle, but the scar on his face came about by accident , he dropped his gun by accident and the bullet jst clipped his cheek, even look at some pics of him b4 he went to Bolivia and hes got that scar

FistFullOfSteel
7th December 2005, 05:35
According to his autopsy:

He was standing approximately 173 (5'8) cm in height.
Brown curly hair. Light blue eyes.

Just some facts.

Karl Marx's Camel
7th December 2005, 15:52
but the scar on his face came about by accident , he dropped his gun by accident and the bullet jst clipped his cheek, even look at some pics of him b4 he went to Bolivia and hes got that scar

But this autopsy says that Che has a scar along almost whole left side of his back?

The accident... Did it happen during the Bay of Pigs invasion?

FistFullOfSteel
8th December 2005, 09:23
Does somebody know how tall Fidel Castro is?

Spartacus
8th December 2005, 11:50
He is like 6'4" or say they say. I believe he's 6 feet.

schumi
10th December 2005, 03:52
Originally posted by [email protected] 2 2005, 03:45 AM
hold up in the color one che looks like he's disguied but it looks like a different disguise, the black and white ones make him look a lot older, the hair line/glasses
the coloured one is when he went to Congo and the black/white picture where he is almost completely bald is from when he went to Bolivia... problem solved

Simotix
10th December 2005, 04:07
Originally posted by schumi+Dec 10 2005, 03:52 AM--> (schumi @ Dec 10 2005, 03:52 AM)
[email protected] 2 2005, 03:45 AM
hold up in the color one che looks like he's disguied but it looks like a different disguise, the black and white ones make him look a lot older, the hair line/glasses
the coloured one is when he went to Congo and the black/white picture where he is almost completely bald is from when he went to Bolivia... problem solved [/b]
When he was in disguise he had his hair plucked out of his head so it would look real.

red_che
10th December 2005, 06:26
Originally posted by [email protected] 5 2005, 12:53 AM
no no no, thy did shoot him numerous times to make it look like he was shoot in battle, but the scar on his face came about by accident , he dropped his gun by accident and the bullet jst clipped his cheek, even look at some pics of him b4 he went to Bolivia and hes got that scar
Yeah, the scar was a result of an accident in one of the military camp after they had captured it. I think it was in Havana, when they made the general attack, that camp along the bay, I forgot it. I have to check Anderson's book again, damn I lost my copy of that book!


Why did they do that?

To make it appear that they killed Che in battle. And prevent more sympathy, in case they held him in prison.

Karl Marx's Camel
11th December 2005, 14:12
Could anyone give an example of a picture where we can see his scar?

Simotix
11th December 2005, 22:09
Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2005, 02:12 PM
Could anyone give an example of a picture where we can see his scar?
Well he was mostly bearded but in pictures you can tell because there would be an area where hair would not grow.

Sanjee
14th December 2005, 15:08
klick here (http://www.amnistia.net/biblio/litter/che1.jpg) to view my favorite picture of Che. In his arm you see a dog.

The dog has a story. He was found in de Sierra Maestra and they took him with them as a sign of good luck. A few days later when they planned to attack some troops, the doggy followed them and he was making a lot of noise.
The troops found them, and there was a big fight.
Luckelly nobody of the rebbels got killed, except for one, the poor dog. :P

ReD_ReBeL
14th December 2005, 18:00
Sanjee thats is quite wrong but correct in some palces, they where planning to attack some troops so while thy were staking thm out the dog wouldent stop barking so Che just shot it dead so they wouldent get found . This caused to minor friction with alot of the other rebels being upset with Che

Sanjee
14th December 2005, 21:20
they where planning to attack some troops so while thy were staking thm out the dog wouldent stop barking

This is right, but Che wasn't the one who shot the dog.
They were found by the troops because of the dog who barked a lot.
During the fight the dog got killed, it's not sure who killed it but what is for sure is that the dog got killed during the fight.

Tekun
15th December 2005, 09:41
The dog should have a plaque :rolleyes:

ReD_ReBeL
15th December 2005, 15:02
hmm ok im not sure thn, but i got it wrong too, in John Lee Andersons bio of Che it says he strangled the dog to death to stop it barking.

Sanjee
15th December 2005, 19:51
In Jean Cormiers biografie it says the thing that is said.

dannie
15th December 2005, 23:21
Sanjee, where are you from?

chebol
16th December 2005, 06:33
Che went under cover like this twice. The first time (with the hair) was to the congo.
The scond time, after some serious plucking, was to Bolivia.

The scar was resultant of an accident that took place during the bay of pigs invasion.

On the puppy, it wasn't shot, it was strangled. And, yes, by Che. The poor thing followed them, and they couldn't afford to turn back, send back a man, or take it with them. Che took responsibility for the action. After the attack, they went to the house of a peasant who was a sympathiser, and the peasant's dog gave him a very long look. Che was mortified. It was, however, unfortunately necessary.

Fidel is about an inch shorter than I am (or he was in July), so about 6 foot 1. He is likely to have been somewhat taller, as people tend to shorten with age. His enormity is more political (and conversational :castro: ) than physical, however.

Sanjee
16th December 2005, 18:14
Sanjee, where are you from?

Why do you want to know it?

Tyler Durden
22nd December 2005, 18:42
Originally posted by [email protected] 16 2005, 06:33 AM


On the puppy, it wasn't shot, it was strangled. And, yes, by Che. The poor thing followed them, and they couldn't afford to turn back, send back a man, or take it with them. Che took responsibility for the action. After the attack, they went to the house of a peasant who was a sympathiser, and the peasant's dog gave him a very long look. Che was mortified. It was, however, unfortunately necessary.

Thats the exact story that i know (not for sure ofcourse, i wasnt there) but i readed it in various che books.

TD

Big Boss
23rd December 2005, 03:07
I read that dog story on the John Lee Andersons biography on Che. As comrade chebol said, it was sad but necessary

Karl Marx's Camel
23rd December 2005, 12:52
Didn't they have to kill the dog, because it made too much noise?

Big Boss
23rd December 2005, 14:00
That's right. The noises made by the dog would have blown their cover easily. The enemy was extremely nearby and they could've heard it.

Aca
9th January 2006, 01:44
this is how che looked just few hours before he went to bolivia

Aca
9th January 2006, 01:51
here's one more

anco
10th January 2006, 19:55
Has anyone seen this pic before? It was on ebay recently. It is taken off again, only to be reposted in the next week or so (according to the seller).
I intend to place a bid but have never only seen this picture once before on an exhibition and want to find out as much as possble about it
Help appreciated


[ADMIN NOTE: the photograph of Che's corpse has been removed as inappropriate at the request of Debora Aro, the moderator of this forum.]

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anco
14th January 2006, 19:28
Administrator.
I´m very curious what´s so inappropriate about the picture?
For those who haven't seen it: it is one of the pictures made in Vallegrande on the 10th of october 1967. It shows Che dead and in a (as remembered by many who where there at the time) christ like posure.
It is made by one of the famous photographers at the time: Rene Cadima. It was unknown untill recently.
It is, as far as I know, the only colour picture taken at the time and therefore is VERY appropriate!!! Not to mention the historic significance!.

Stefan Laurent (the founding father of photojournalism)is one of the few people who saw this picture before and wrote about it: "The color and the framing of the image make it a very powerful image and gives Che Guevara the heavenly appearance he was renowned for. [...] The combination of the journalistic, historic value and the artistic input of the photographer make it a unique and valuable piece of photographic art. A true landmark photo."

Is there censorship now on this site as well??

Debora, please clearify your motivations!

Le Libérer
15th January 2006, 07:03
My "movitivations" was PMed to you and logged under the moderators actions.

coda
15th January 2006, 09:07
<<He was standing approximately 173 (5&#39;8) cm in height.
Brown curly hair. Light blue eyes. >>

thanks&#33; That confirms the same info I read from some declassified CIA intelligence files that were in a book, which guessed him at 5&#39;8"-5&#39;9". I figured the latter was about right from viewing him standing next to Fidel at 6&#39;1" or so, and reasonably Che was quite a bit shorter. Other people seem to think he was taller and put him at 5"11. Nahh.

coda
15th January 2006, 10:38
I just noticed the blue eye reference&#33; Really? Wow? yeah, in some photos his eyes did appear to look like something other than the otherwise documented brown.

Abood
22nd January 2006, 15:13
in the pic with the shirt and the cigar, he looks like james bond, hehe

PS: how do u add more than 1 pic in a post?

ReD_ReBeL
22nd January 2006, 19:38
Heres another colour photo of Che, which is probably airbrush updated or whatever they do.

FistFullOfSteel
25th January 2006, 05:40
Originally posted by [email protected] 15 2006, 09:26 AM
<<He was standing approximately 173 (5&#39;8) cm in height.
Brown curly hair. Light blue eyes. >>

thanks&#33; That confirms the same info I read from some declassified CIA intelligence files that were in a book, which guessed him at 5&#39;8"-5&#39;9". I figured the latter was about right from viewing him standing next to Fidel at 6&#39;1" or so, and reasonably Che was quite a bit shorter. Other people seem to think he was taller and put him at 5"11. Nahh.
Here is from the documents I read from.

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB5/che10_1.htm