political ID

[RadicalLeft62]

i figured it would be kind of neat to start a thread showing your political affiliations based on this system.

1)Communist or Capitalist
2)Authoritarian or Libertarian
3)Party (if any)
4)Religious Affiliation


For me,

1)Marxist
2)Not a Stalinist, but more Authoritarian than Trotsky.
3)Youth Communist League
4)Atheist

[Seven Stars]

1) Marxist
2) Libertarian
3) Concerned Group for Republican Prisoners (not a party)
4) Catholic

[Ownthink]

1) Marxist
2) Libertarian
3) None
4) Atheist

[Comrade Corinna]

1) Communist
2) Leninist; libertarian but not anarchist
3) fucking red commie *****!
4) former Christian, agnostic.

[Organic Revolution]

kinda dumb but ok..,...

1)anarchist
2) libertarian
3) none
4)agnostic

[More Fire for the People]

1) “Marxist”
2) Libertarian
3) None
4) Christian panentheist

I love these thingies, we should have a stickied one.

[gewehr_3]

1)Communist
2)Libertarian
3)None
4)Atheist

[WUOrevolt]

1.Marxist-Leninist/Anarchist
2.Libertarian
3.None
4.Atheist

[Xvall]

1) Communist
2) Libertarian
3) None
4) Athiest, though sometimes when I'm on potent drugs I will honestly believe that I am "god".

[Organic Revolution]

Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2005, 09:38 PM
1.Marxist-Leninist/Anarchist
2.Libertarian
3.None
4.Atheist
marxist-leninist and anarchist??? how does that one work

[rioters bloc]

Originally posted by Organic Revolution+Nov 28 2005, 03:19 PM--> (Organic Revolution @ Nov 28 2005, 03:19 PM)
[email protected] 27 2005, 09:38 PM
1.Marxist-Leninist/Anarchist
2.Libertarian
3.None
4.Atheist
marxist-leninist and anarchist??? how does that one work [/b]
i was about to ask the same thing :P\

[Knowledge 6 6 6]

1.) Marxist
2.) Libertarian
3.) None
4.) Atheist

I think this answer'll be repeated many times throughout the thread.

[Clarksist]

1) Communist or Capitalist? Those are our choices? I'm on the Left, and the choice between communism, socialism, or anarchism is all based on circumstances.

2) Depends on the circumstances.

3) Party? hahahahahahaha!

4) Athiest

[DisIllusion]

1) Marxist-Leninist

2) Marx's idea that free communism will lead to anarchistic self-rule.

3) None, American Democracy fuels the capitalist monster.

4) Protestant.

[Cyber Communist]

1) Communist!

2) Depends, Libertarian for the working class (workers councils and proletarian autonomy) yet strongly harsh and autocratic against class enemies, many counter- revolutionaries should face the death penalty. It has do be done to prevent the horrors of counter-revolution.

3) None.

4) None, Im an athiest.

[WUOrevolt]

Originally posted by rioters bloc+Nov 28 2005, 08:22 AM--> (rioters bloc @ Nov 28 2005, 08:22 AM)
Originally posted by Organic [email protected] 28 2005, 03:19 PM

[email protected] 27 2005, 09:38 PM
1.Marxist-Leninist/Anarchist
2.Libertarian
3.None
4.Atheist
marxist-leninist and anarchist??? how does that one work
i was about to ask the same thing :P\ [/b]
Somewhat both, I guess. Probably more anarchist.

I guess you could say that I am an anarcho socialist.

[Xvall]

4) Protestant.

Oh, that is priceless.
Does your religious affiliation ever conflict with your Marxist-Leninist ideals?

[bcbm]

1) Communist
2) Libertarian
3) None
4) None, really.

[Creature]

1Anarchist, do any of the following matter?

[BattleOfTheCowshed]

1. Communist :hammer: /Marxist :marx: /Revolutionary Socialist :che:
2. Trotskyist :trotski: -Leninist but definitely WAY more on the libertarian than authoritarian side
3. International Socialist Organization
4. None

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

1) Communist
2) For the complete authority of the working class
3) The Free People's Movement (http://www.fpm-mgl.org)
4) Atheist

[drain.you]

1)Communist
2)Libertarian
3)None
4)Atheist (and if someone confuses me with an agnostic I will scream! lol)

[farleft]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2005, 02:27 AM
1) Marxist
2) Libertarian
3) Concerned Group for Republican Prisoners (not a party)
4) Catholic
A Marxist Catholic? hmmm, sure you are (pats on the head)

I am sure ive said this far too many times already, Marxism and religion do not mix, they are contradictory!

As for me.....

1)Communist
2)Libertarian
3)None
4)Atheist

[KGB5097]

Must we place labels on ourselves? It only serves to divide us...

You wonder why in America Democrats and Republicans are so powerful, thats because they don't sit in forums and say "Ok, so are you a Reganite, a Nixonist, or what?"

How about "United Leftist", is that a good label?

[RedAnarchist]

1)Communist
2)Libertarian
3)None
4)Agnostic

[farleft]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2005, 01:29 PM
Must we place labels on ourselves? It only serves to divide us...

You wonder why in America Democrats and Republicans are so powerful, thats because they don't sit in forums and say "Ok, so are you a Reganite, a Nixonist, or what?"

How about "United Leftist", is that a good label?
Very true, but I would rather not be put in the same pigeon hole as the reformists.

[ComradeOm]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2005, 01:29 PM
Must we place labels on ourselves? It only serves to divide us...

You wonder why in America Democrats and Republicans are so powerful, thats because they don't sit in forums and say "Ok, so are you a Reganite, a Nixonist, or what?"
You've never seen conservatives argue with liberals? Labels are useful because they sum up a political stance in a single word. And there are a lot of different political stances on the Left.

Still, I don't see the point in devoting a thread to them.

[bolshevik butcher]

1Communist
2Libertarian
3International marxist tendancy (www.marxist.com)
4Athiest

[RedGeorge]

1) Marxist
2) Libertarian
3) None
4) Atheist

Exciting, aren't I? ;)

[Comrade Yastrebkov]

KGB5097 - I agree with you. I call myself simply a communist. Jesus there are way too many bloody stances now, seems like some people mak them up as they go along.

ComradeOm - don't conservatives and liberals stand for the ame thing - i.e. capitalism, but within a different framework.

[Sir Aunty Christ]

1) Communist
2) Libertarian
3) Socialist Worker's Party
4) Atheist

[ComradeOm]

Originally posted by Comrade [email protected] 28 2005, 05:40 PM
ComradeOm - don't conservatives and liberals stand for the ame thing - i.e. capitalism, but within a different framework.
And all communists stand for the same thing, the abolition of capitalism and emergence of a communist society, but we have some very different ways of going about it.

[Conghaileach]

1) Socialist Republican, Council Communist-leaning
2) Libertarian
3) None
4) Agnostic

[RadicalLeft62]

KGB, i think you are correct. There will never be a Radical Left anywhere unless we join together on a united front and save the bickering for later.

[Ownthink]

Agnosticism is retarded.

I just had to say that. Everytime I see it, it irritates me.

[ScottishSocialist13]

1) Socialist
2) Libertarian
3) None
4) athiest

[Red Leader]

1) Communist
2) Libertarian
3) None.......yet........
4) Tribalism....................just kidding I am athiest.

By the way, I second the notion that this is stupid. Although it is nice and convieniant to label people during debates, labels belong on soup cans. We all generally want the same thing don't we? Peace, and ending oppression and all that. Its the means of getting there that there are different schools of thought on. Oh and also, I second Ownthink's notion that agnosticism is stupid. You either believe in God or you dont, black or white. And if you do, then there is room for grey.

[Big Boss]

1) Socialist
2)Libertarian
3)Ejercito Popular Boricua aka Macheteros
4)Catholic

[More Fire for the People]

Originally posted by Big [email protected] 28 2005, 04:23 PM
3)Ejercito Popular Boricua aka Macheteros
How strong would say the macheteros are? And are they revolutionary?

[DisIllusion]

Oh, that is priceless.
Does your religious affiliation ever conflict with your Marxist-Leninist ideals?

All the time, but I still side more with my Marxist-Leninist part. I guess it's just hard to let go of the idea of a higher being when you've been raised with it all your life.

[violencia.Proletariat]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2005, 11:07 PM

Oh, that is priceless.
Does your religious affiliation ever conflict with your Marxist-Leninist ideals?

All the time, but I still side more with my Marxist-Leninist part. I guess it's just hard to let go of the idea of a higher being when you've been raised with it all your life.
you stay around here for awhile and youll see its full of atheists, from all sorts of situations, including myself. maybe we will convince you of something

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

How strong would say the macheteros are? And are they revolutionary?

Read this (http://www.freepeoplesmovement.org/fp15e.html). Covers some of that.

[farleft]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2005, 03:07 AM

Oh, that is priceless.
Does your religious affiliation ever conflict with your Marxist-Leninist ideals?

All the time, but I still side more with my Marxist-Leninist part. I guess it's just hard to let go of the idea of a higher being when you've been raised with it all your life.
:lol:

That must be tough.

A higher being, in marxism, there are no higher beings.

Why is there confusion? You should seriously think about this and throw away any idea god(s)/higher beings.

[Rawthentic]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2005, 12:26 AM
1) Communist
2) For the complete authority of the working class
3) The Free People's Movement (http://www.fpm-mgl.org)
4) Atheist
how do I join this free people's movement man? I would be in the revolutionary youth since I am 15, but how do I join and what would I have to do? Would I have to pay a certain amount of money or be present in meetings? What if I dont live near any of thier headquarters? thanks comrade

[Sankara1983]

1) Sankarist (though without any special affinity for Libya)
2) libertarian
3) none
4) agnostic

[John Dory]

1)Communist
2)Libertarian, Authoritarian only when necessary
3)I read a lot of RCP (http://rwor.org/rcp-e.htm) stuff but I don't officially have a party. But, if Ihad to name names I would say the RCP (http://rwor.org/rcp-e.htm)
4)Atheist

[Correa]

1) Communist
2) Dictatorship of the working class.
3) EPB/Free People's Movement
4) Atheist

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

1. Marxist

2. Libertarian

3. Unaffiliated

4. Unrepentant atheist

[ReD_ReBeL]

1.Socialist(but believe every1 should have the right to have religious beliefs if not preached and does not harm or exclude any1/anything)

2.Libertarian to mild authoritarian

3.none

4.Atheist/slightly Agnostic(dont believe in any religious beliefs but dont fully rule it out)

[Rockfan]

1.Marxists (leaning more towards anarcho communism everyday)
2.Libertarian
3.None, I should get my ass and get on to that
4.Agnostic

[Ultra-Violence]

1.Socailist/Anarchist
2.both
3.None(thinking about joining the fpm)
4.Atheist

[wet blanket]

1) No ideology
2) Libertarian
3) No party affiliation
4) No religious/anti-religious affiliation

Kinda looks like I have no strong beliefs at all, but that's not the case.

[Ouroboros]

1) Communist
2) Authoritarian
3) No party
4) Atheist

[More Fire for the People]

Originally posted by wet [email protected] 30 2005, 04:15 AM
1) No ideology
2) Libertarian
3) No party affiliation
4) No religious/anti-religious affiliation

Kinda looks like I have no strong beliefs at all, but that's not the case.
Totaly off topic but nice to see you're posting again man. Hey, what ever happened to your Gaming World account?

[TheComrade]

1) Communist - Capitalist?? Socialist!! Though I like to think I am a very left socialist and I sometimes find myself agreeing with anarchist ideals.

2) Libertarian!

3) None (though I am registered with CPGB - but not a paid member)

3) Agnostic but I have beliefs about nature and I believe in the soul.

[Entrails Konfetti]

1) My theory is based off of Marx,Luxembourg, and Debs.
2) Working-class democracy should be superflous, yet it has to supress the bourgoeisie.
3) Communist League
4) Atheist

[I'd Rather Be Drinking]

This is kinda ridiculous, everyone just says that they're more-or-less anti-authoritarian, and against capitalism--which is exactly what you would expect from the revleft. What about asking questions that actually differentiate between people calling themselves leftist revolutionaries... like:

Participate in electoral politics or no?
What was the Soviet Union?
What is the place of unions?
Support "nationalism of the oppressed" or no?
The place of "identity politics"?
Is there a need for a party of the workers?
What is/was fascism?
Are there any wars that should be supported (e.g. WWII)?


I think these would tell us a lot more about people's politics...

(although the religion one, and the party affiliation ones do)

[Lamanov]

1) Communist (Marxist, Left)
2) Libertarian (Worker-democracy)
3) none
4) atheist

[More Fire for the People]

Participate in electoral politics or no?
I usually side with the "no". However there are a few instances when electoral politics could be seen as beneficial but they are rare.


What was the Soviet Union?
The Soviet Union cannot be properly called socialist or capitalist. However, I reject that the Party was somehow a class of its own or that the Soviet Union was any kind of true bureacracy prior 1956.


What is the place of unions?
To play a low-level role in the emancipation of the proletariat.


Support "nationalism of the oppressed" or no?
Support if by "nationalism" you mean national liberation.


The place of "identity politics"?
This is a little confusing.


Is there a need for a party of the workers?
Yes and as a vanguard too but the role of a workers' party would be minimal if at all after the revolution.


What is/was fascism?
The merging of corporate and state interest under a military style government. Bush still operates under bourgeois "democratic" norms and is simply a quasi-fascist.


Are there any wars that should be supported (e.g. WWII)?
Proletarian civil war!

[DisIllusion]

New belief system

1)Communist (Marxist, not so much a Leninist anymore)
2)Libertarian
3)Still none
4)Not sure.

[Leif]

1) Democratic Socialist (not to be confused with social democrat)
2) Moderate Libertarian, anti Authoritarian
3) I'm not old enough to vote, but the free people's movement looks nice, along with SPUSA or DSUSA or maybe even the Communist League.
4) Atheist, yet I dig some of the stuff I hear about going to Yoga.

Participate in electoral politics or no?
It depends on what I'm voting for and the selections. If here in Kansas I can vote to repeal the bullshit about gay marriage, I would vote against that, or any other similarly fascist bullshit. Otherwise I wouldn't bother.

What was the Soviet Union?
Alright at best until Stalin. After that it had no other real successes other than fucking up Hitler.

What is the place of unions?
Helping the proletariat get along until they can be motivated to liberate themselves from the capitalist system.

Support "nationalism of the oppressed" or no?
Please explain. I am a Populist, thus I believe that the greatest possible number should benefit from anything.

The place of "identity politics"?
To unify some and divide others, as usual, we need solidarity. I support anyone who is oppressed by the consumerist culture, but I don't think that the rights of the few should be put over the well being of the many.

Is there a need for a party of the workers?
To organize the workers, but it should be incredibly transparent. We don't need a new bureaocracy to replace the old one.

What is/was fascism?
A violent reaction to (and thus rooted from) capitalism.

Are there any wars that should be supported
The class war, which means fighting fascists, state capitalists, or capitalists. Also, those who disgrace the movement, IE Stalin.

[DisIllusion]

1) Democratic Socialist (not to be confused with social democrat)

Just curious comrade, how does Democratic Socialism work? Would it require people to be part of a nation's political affairs? Would it require politicians in the capitalist sense where they are all pragmatic and care only for their own careers?

[ReD_ReBeL]

democratic socialism is basically like it usualy works in Parliament and thro Reforms, slowing going from a capitalism state and transforming into a socialist one thro reforms, like The old Labour Party UK for example

[STREETasmyCanvas]

how many of us are union members?

[perdido]

1. Marxist

2. Libertarian

3. gonna join the FPM once I get around to it.

4Agnostic. I like the idea of a power connecting us all. I don't believe in god because there is no reason to, science can explain all eventually and was already explained a lot, like where we came from. I do feel that some religions have the right idea on how to treat one another and lead a good life.

[mo7amEd]

1. Marxist
2. Libertarian
3. No
4. Muslim... so far

[mo7amEd]

Originally posted by [email protected] 2 2005, 03:04 AM

1) Democratic Socialist (not to be confused with social democrat)

Just curious comrade, how does Democratic Socialism work? Would it require people to be part of a nation's political affairs? Would it require politicians in the capitalist sense where they are all pragmatic and care only for their own careers?
Didnt even know that there was something called Democratic Socialist...

I know we have social democratic gouvernment here in Sweden... And sooner or later it'll turn to Liberal, and it is on its way.

But Democratic Socialist?! First time I hear that...

[BattleOfTheCowshed]

Participate in electoral politics or no?

For now, yes, just out of an urge to better society immediately. I definitely do not see it as an end or a means to get to Socialism, only Revolution can do that.


What was the Soviet Union?

From the October Revolution until Lenin's death it was one of the few (possibly ONLY) true Socialist state that has existed in history. After that it began to degenerate and was a State Capitalist society by the end.


What is the place of unions?

Awaken class-consciousness, provide a basis for revolution and for democratic workplaces in a post-revolution society, better working conditions in the immediate.


Support "nationalism of the oppressed" or no?

I definitely support national liberation and self-determination for oppressed peoples, I don't support that de-evolving into real nationalism though.


The place of "identity politics"?

To help foster national liberation for oppressed peoples. To help people realize the connection between capitalism and racism.


Is there a need for a party of the workers?

Yep, a Vanguard Party is necessary for organization during the revolution. It MUST however be fully composed of, led and be a true 'vanguard' OF the WORKING CLASS however. No revolutions by the bourgeouisie FOR the proletariat or anything of that nature.


What is/was fascism?

Corporatocracy + nationalism + totalitarianism. More or less an ad-hoc "philosophy" that is basically an ultra-reactionary force which must be defeated at all times. Highly dangerous because it can often appeal to disgruntled members of the Proletariat.


Are there any wars that should be supported (e.g. WWII)?

The class war/revolution obviously. I would also say wars against fascism/totalitarianism/capitalism/theocracy even when not explicitly socialist, i.e. WWII.

[redchrisfalling]

1) Anarchist
2) Libertarian
3) HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
(no)
4) Optamistic agnostic
I have not found a religion that nails down all the questions that I have but i find it very comforting that i might be hear for a reson and there might be something else.

[Rawthentic]

1. Socialist
2. Libertarian but not anarchist
3. hope to join the FPM
4. evangelical christian......................................... .....................j/k :P Im atheist

[Ric_god]

1.Marxist
2.Libertarian
3. Socialist Worker's Party (UK), or Liberal Democrates (can actually win seats.)
4. Atheist

Also, as a question, how could someone be a Marxist and religious? Did Marx not say that religion was the opium of the masses?

[Hegemonicretribution]

Most people think we should have opium as the opium of the masses ;)

1) I agree that the options are limitted. Only those fitting under communism are allowed to post here, but people mean different things by that term. I would say anarcho-socialist, or hegemonic individualist. Such terms mean little without explanation.

2)Libertarian

3)no party

4)atheistic, includes none religions as well. Critical at least of all belief systems, and systems of knowledge.

[Luís Henrique]

1)Communist or Capitalist
2)Authoritarian or Libertarian
3)Party (if any)
4)Religious Affiliation
1) Communist, Marxist, not Leninist (though not "anti-Leninist", as a matter of fact).
2) I do not believe in this distinction; at best, it belongs to bourgeois politics, and differentiate between diverse trends among capitalistic ideologues.

I am for democracy among the working class, and for a working class dictatorship against the bourgeoisie (the bourgeoisie, not the petty-bourgeois, the peasantry, the bourgeois ideologues, the dissenting people among the working class and its allies).

3) MRS, a tendency inside the PT.

4) Atheist (not agnostic). But I have seen Catholic people doing more for the working class cause than some who proclaim themselves atheists.

Luís Henrique

[Alexknucklehead]

1) Communist (Anarchist)
2) Libertarian
3) No party...SolFed member
4) Agnostic

[OkaCrisis]

1. Socialist
2. Libertarian
3. NDP (for now)
4. Atheist.

As for the second set of questions, I would answer them pretty much exactly how BattleOfTheCowshed did. He pretty much hit the nail on the head.

[Luís Henrique]

Participate in electoral politics or no?

Yes.


What was the Soviet Union?

The result of a bourgeois revolution that the bourgeoisie refused to led; an attempt to create socialism where socialism was not possible (thus leading into calling "socialist" things that weren't socialist at all; a sui generis transition from feudalism to capitalism.


What is the place of unions?

To defend workers rights and life standards within a capitalist society.


Support "nationalism of the oppressed" or no?

Support rights of the oppressed nationalities against imperialist oppression; denounce "nationalism" as an ideology that hides the class nature of such oppression.


The place of "identity politics"?

Very useful tool to divide workers and play them against each others.


Is there a need for a party of the workers?

Of course.


What is/was fascism?

A reactionary mass movement unleashed against organised working class struggles in a moment in which the working class had been decisively defeated in the ideological field, but was still politically powerful; it made use of "socialist" forms to foster a bourgeois or petty-bourgeois agenda.


Are there any wars that should be supported (e.g. WWII)?

Of course.

Luís Henrique

[Reds]

Marxist-leninist(supporter of trotsky)
libertarian
SWP(us)
Agnostic

[Qwerty Dvorak]

i dont get it, what the fuck do i do?

[Comrade-Z]

1. Communist
2. Libertarian (borderline anarchist, really)
3. The Radish Infoshop (http://radishinfoshop.blogspot.com)
4. Atheist

[Djehuti]

1)Communist or Capitalist - Communist
2)Authoritarian or Libertarian - Authoritarian (I guess others view me as more libertarian though)
3)Party (if any) - No
4)Religious Affiliation - No



And the more interesting questions...

5) Participate in electoral politics or no?
No.

6) What was the Soviet Union?
Capitalist. Also I agree on what Luís Henrique said on this topic.

7) What is the place of unions?
The unions organize the working class as variable capital not as a revolutionary subject. And while they do preserve the results of some of the victories of the working class they have little offensive potential in the class struggle and no communist potential, the opposite is true though. Further they are instruments of control and will fight any self organisation of the working class.

8) Support "nationalism of the oppressed" or no?
No.

9) The place of "identity politics"?
There is no place for "identity politics" in the revolutionary movment.

10) Is there a need for a party of the workers?
There is no need for a formal party of the workers. I am no stranger to a vanguard though, but not in the leninist fashion.

11) What is/was fascism?
Fascism is the agent Smith of the bourgeoisie. ;)

12) Are there any wars that should be supported (e.g. WWII)?
No war but class war. Not even anti-fascist wars such as WWII or the Spanish civil war.

Note: I support the spanish revolution though, but it degenerated into a anti fascist civil war between two bourgeoisie factions rallied around General Franco and the Democratic Republic.

[Lamanov]

* * *

5) Participate in electoral politics or no?
No!

6) What was the Soviet Union?
State-Capitalist

7) What is the place of unions?
They SHOULD be organization OF the workers through which they struggle with the force of capital. They ARE an organization of BUREAUCRACY which protects the intrest of capital by control over the workers.

8) Support "nationalism of the oppressed" or no?
No!

9) The place of "identity politics"?
Only identity with REALITY!

10) Is there a need for a party of the workers?
No!

11) What is/was fascism?
Capitalist regression to total state in the times of crisis.

12) Are there any wars that should be supported (e.g. WWII)?
No!

[icemanpolitik]

1)Marxist

2)Between leninism and the left communism. Anti-stalinist, but not trotskyst.

3)Youth Communists (Youth of PSUC viu / PCE, communist party of spain)

4)It depends of the day. Agnostic / Atheist.

5) Participate in electoral politics or no?
Yes.

6) What was the Soviet Union?
False hope. I'm not a Trotskyst, but, when Stalin got all the power Soviet Union became the Stalinist Union.

8) Support "nationalism of the oppressed" or no?
No, but I don't hate it.

10) Is there a need for a party of the workers?
Yes. But not a "conventional party". It's not just elections. Elections are there, but they're only a tool. The party has to participate in the day-a-day revolution, they have to act, to make things.

11) What is/was fascism?
Capitalism at the highest level.

12) Are there any wars that should be supported (e.g. WWII)?
There is only a "good" war in this world. Class war. Peace between nations (if they exist), war between classes.

In that sense, I'd had support republicans in the Spanish Civil War. I'd had fight in the left communist militias (POUM).

[BattleOfTheCowshed]

Originally posted by [email protected] 12 2005, 02:24 AM
In that sense, I'd had support republicans in the Spanish Civil War. I'd had fight in the left communist militias (POUM).
So you would have been a member of the POUM even though you are currently a member of the PCE? Has the PCE changed drastically in the past few decades? Because during the civil war there was a lot (i mean, A LOT) of conflict between the PCE and the POUM.

[ReD_ReBeL]

even though im part Marxist i would not put the dictatorship of the prolatierat in every circumstance, yes i believe Lenin was right in his decision but for example in modern day britain or the US i am not very sure, placing a dictatorship in this postition could be very costly and cause alot of hostility, i believe once u get power u ask what the people want, and this goes for everything i believe in a party for the people and completely for thm and run by thm. but the government still has to have the last dicision mainly becoz wht the people want might to alienate or be racist ,sexist etc and this should by no means be tolerable. I Know Marxism has no state , this is why i sed 'im part Marxist' becoz not all of my ideas r based around Marxism some r around Socialism. as The Black Panthers slogan goes....'ALL POWER TO THE PEOPLE'

[Leif]

While I do believe reform can help greatly, I don't shun action and revolution. I believe that reform has it's place to set the stage, but I do believe in some sort of revoltuion. Not necessarily men and womyn marching down main st. holding AKs, but a radical change. I believe in democracy in the workplace, and that democracy is socialism, and visa versa. Some Communist movements, such as the Marxist-Leninists (Stalin, Trotsky, Lenin) Were not nearly transparent enough in their actions, and thus I put Democratic in the title. The industries are public, but controlled by the workers.

I can classify myself as anything from a Democratic Socialist to a Anarcho-Syndicalist , populist or left communist.

[Spark]

1) Communist
2) Not sure
3) Bloc Québecois/Parti Québecois
4) Christian

[Correa]

Christian? Are you still one? If so how can you be a Communist?

[Spark]

I personally don't see a fundamental clash between religion and Communism. I know that Marx was dead set against it as are most Communists but I really don't see how my spirituality conflicts with the creation of an egalitarian society. And if we are indeed attempting to create an egalitarian society, then people must have the right to choose their religion or no religion. I feel no need to impose my views on others and I feel that no one should have religion forced upon them, but its still their right. I was born a Catholic, however I oppose the Catholic Church as well as every other organized denomination so I simply define myself as a Christian.

[More Fire for the People]

Originally posted by [email protected] 12 2005, 04:37 PM
I personally don't see a fundamental clash between religion and Communism. I know that Marx was dead set against it as are most Communists but I really don't see how my spirituality conflicts with the creation of an egalitarian society. And if we are indeed attempting to create an egalitarian society, then people must have the right to choose their religion or no religion. I feel no need to impose my views on others and I feel that no one should have religion forced upon them, but its still their right. I was born a Catholic, however I oppose the Catholic Church as well as every other organized denomination so I simply define myself as a Christian.
But without clarifying yourself, you are a Marxist which utilizes materialist reasoning unless you define yourself as a post-materialist Marixst / communist.

[Spark]

I would probably define myself as more post-materialist.

[Gidoot]

1)Communist/Socialist
2)Authoritarian
3)I'm a member of the Dutch Socialistic Party
4)I'm a catholic (Jesus was a communist/socialist!)

5) Participate in electoral politics or no?
Yes.

6) What was the Soviet Union?
Not the right way of communism.

8) Support "nationalism of the oppressed" or no?
No!

10) Is there a need for a party of the workers?
Yes, in that party the workers are the party and the party is the workers.

11) What is/was fascism?
People without any kind of historical intrest. If you don't know your history than you can't make nuances in life.

12) Are there any wars that should be supported (e.g. WWII)?
No! Peace must be you goal, we can bomb the the world into pieces but we can't bomb it into peace!

[Correa]

4)I'm a catholic (Jesus was a communist/socialist!)

Haha! :lol: Good one, like Chavez said....."Jesus was a rebel! A revolutionary fighting Roman Imperialism"! Although he was a Leninst if anything. :D

[Leif]

Don't get me wrong, I'm not a christian, but what christ apparently wanted people to be like was communistic. Christ himself was a nice guy(if you believe he exists, if not he was as friendly as frodo apparently), it's just most of the christians that suck.

I'm not defending theocracy, please understand that, but what the fictional character did was communist in nature.

[ComTom]

1)Marxist/Anarchist

2)Biggest anti-authoritarian ever known to man

3)PACA ( People against cosbyist armies )

4)Agnostic

5) Participate in electoral politics or no?
Hell NO! Only if its a non-bourgeosis establishment.

6) What was the Soviet Union?
A dictatorship, a sad picture. I kind of saw marxism as a good movie plot, but when I saw the movie, I was really upset.

8) Support "nationalism of the oppressed" or no?
Yes, I support oppressed peoples, but I am strongly against nationalism.

10) Is there a need for a party of the workers?
Yes, of course, the worker is who we are fighting for.

11) What is/was fascism?
A oppresive, brutal, political regime that denies the right of man and oppresses its people.

12) Are there any wars that should be supported (e.g. WWII)?
Peace must be established no matter what.

[violencia.Proletariat]

4)I'm a catholic (Jesus was a communist/socialist!)

proof?

[ComTom]

Actually, Jesus believed heavily in sharing, let me get a few parables from the bible:

Matthew 19:23-26
23 Then Jesus said to his disciples, "I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven.
24 Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."
25 When the disciples heard this, they were greatly astonished and asked, "Who then can be saved?"

Matthew 19:21
21 Jesus answered, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven

32 All the believers were one in heart and mind. No one claimed that any of his possessions was his own, but they shared everything they had.
33 With great power the apostles continued to testify to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus, and much grace was upon them all.
34 There were no needy persons among them. For from time to time those who owned lands or houses sold them, brought the money from the sales
35 and put it at the apostles' feet, and it was distributed to anyone as he had need.

[Gidoot]

exectly ComTom, I do believe in god and in Jezus. But not in the way that the church does. Jezus was a man who thought that every living creature on this planet is equal to each other. He was by all means very left!

I'm very left and I believe in God and Jezus!

[sovietsniper]

1)Communist
2)libertarian but believe in a Authoritarian education
3)Non
4) atheist



Participate in electoral politics or no?

Too young but I will

What was the Soviet Union?

A mix match of good and bad points, just like any other country

What is the place of unions?

To guard the interests of there members

Support "nationalism of the oppressed" or no?

Unless there the victims of a genocide then no.

The place of "identity politics"?

What’s that?

Is there a need for a party of the workers?

Before the ref yes, after no.

What is/was fascism?

A reactionary movement that guarded the interests of the capitalists in the face of revolution.

Are there any wars that should be supported

Yes, e.g great patriotic war, Vietnams resistance ect

[DaRk-OnE]

1) Anarchist
2) Libertarian
3) None
4) Atheist

[RevolutionarySocialist MadRedDog]

1) Trotskyist
2) Libertarian
3) Offensief - Dutch section CWI
4) Agnostic