Debate with a Stalinist

[CCCPneubauten]

Does any one know how to debate and win over a Stalinist?

This guy has a thick skull.

[JKP]

Wrong forum?

[Hiero]

You should probally have read and understand a bit of Marx, Engels, Lenin and espically Stalin. If you do not, then you look like a fool.

[Wanted Man]

Apparently he is smart enough to get you to ask for help in here. Perhaps you could inform us what the argument is about, who makes what points, compare your knowledge of Stalin to his..?

[CCCPneubauten]

He claims nationalism is a good thing. And he also wants Jews back "in the Jewish homeland" he is also VERY anti-homosexual. HE supports Stalin to the fullest. Makes me want to barf.

[Lamanov]

Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2005, 04:55 PM
He claims nationalism is a good thing. And he also wants Jews back "in the Jewish homeland" he is also VERY anti-homosexual. HE supports Stalin to the fullest. Makes me want to barf.
He's not a leftist, obviously, and thus not worth debating.

It can be fun from time to time to debate with Stalinists on an economic and social front, although creativity of such conversation is very low. But this is obviously just another Stalin-kiddie.

[CCCPneubauten]

Yeah, he keeps talking about being "beyond left, beyond right" very odd.

[Xvall]

Do it yourself, man. People keep making threads asking us debate against people, most likely because they are incapable of doing it themselves.

[Wanted Man]

Does he consider himself a "Stalinist"? If he does, he's very ignorant. Nationalism and homophobia is unsocialist.

[More Fire for the People]

Indeed, it is farily obvious he is not a Marxist-Leninist. Tackle him on that fact.

[Xvall]

Show him these quoted by Stalin:

"National and racial chauvinism is a vestige of the misanthropic customs characteristic of the period of cannibalism. Anti-semitism, as an extreme form of racial chauvinism, is the most dangerous vestige of cannibalism."

"Anti-semitism is of advantage to the exploiters as a lightning conductor that deflects the blows aimed by the working people at capitalism. Anti-semitism is dangerous for the working people as being a false path that leads them off the right road and lands them in the jungle. Hence Communists, as consistent internationalists, cannot but be irreconcilable, sworn enemies of anti-semitism."

"In the U.S.S.R. anti-semitism is punishable with the utmost severity of the law as a phenomenon deeply hostile to the Soviet system. Under U.S.S.R. law active anti-semites are liable to the death penalty."

Then call him a "stupid liberal". It'll really piss him off.

[CCCPneubauten]

Is there any quotes from Marx or Engles to prove he was anti-nationalist?

[Entrails Konfetti]

Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2005, 05:36 PM
Yeah, he keeps talking about being "beyond left, beyond right" very odd.
Sounds like a National-Bolshevik.

Whats also funny, and annoying about them is that Limonov totally desreguards Marx, and the theory of class-struggle: In its place Limonov manipulates the Hegelian Dialectic to prove history is all about the advancement of technology (which is a fascist argument, and the NBs don't deny this). He's trying to implement his own Limonov brand of the dialectic.

Even RCP members cringe at the thought of National-Bolshevism.