21st century socialism/communism

[ReD_ReBeL]

if you became leader of your nation how would u control it? would u base it on a previous socialist model i.e USSR, or something completely different? what would your main policies be? etc etc etc, personally mine would be different exspecially different to the USSR(after lenin period) becoz USSR under stalin was murderous and inhumane, and different from Mao as he is sort of the 'Stalin of China', i wouldent base my ideas on the 'barrel of a gun' but of compromise, and little buisness priviteization but not mega chain stores like Nike, Asda etc, but just little buissness like the ownership of 1 shop, and would be neccesery to nationalise all the basic needs that one requires to stay alive like Food, Water, Housing, and like a nationalized clothing store for one can buy quality warm clothing for very cheap so that they are protected against the cold etc , what are your peoples opinions?

[JKP]

Any true anarchist or communist would not want to be charge of anyone. We want the masses to emancipate themselves.

[Knowledge 6 6 6]

and I think that's exactly what is happening in Venezuela under Chavez. Not violent; but very peaceful Bolivarian revolution.

[bolshevik butcher]

Well, peaceful for the now. I wouldnt discount violent counter revolutionary activity from the U$ or recationary elements within venezuela itself. The people though are arming and preparing themselves for any sutch actions.

[DisIllusion]

Yeah, we might even see CIA intervention in the form of assasinations or other typical Imperialist techniques.

[TheComrade]

Similar economic policies as you, ReD_ReBeL. Nationalisation of all 'essential' services + industries (health, education, transport, clothes, housing, agriculture, power, water etc) Everything else would be privatised but with constant regulation and monitering (No McDonalds!) The problem is, of course, what is really 'essential'??

I can imagine the country as being very slow...things are safe - no war, any disagreement resolved by debate, disucssion. I would wish the UN to have more power and more independency (not run by the US.)

I am not really very sure because my politics are still very confused...

[redstar2000]

Originally posted by ReD_ReBeL
If you became leader of your nation, how would you control it?

Why would you or any sensible person want to be the "leader of your nation"?

Much less "control it"?

A real communist society is "led" and "controlled" by everyone.

That's the whole point.

Of course there are lots of people who think communism is "impossible" or is "only possible" in the far distant future.

For them, "socialism" is the "realistic alternative"...a form of class society in which things would be pretty much like they are now but with a different bunch of "leaders" who'd be "controlling us".

"How to control" is, for them, a real question that involves choosing from a number of options: be "like Stalin" or be "like Mao" or even be "like Chavez".

For real communists (and most anarchists as well) those are irrelevant questions.

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[Ouroboros]

I'd prefer military communism, i.e. state organized like military camp. Discipline, order, equality, solidarity, training, restricted individual freedoms, no luxury ... that is what I want for future society. And I'd prefer gradual transformation over revolution, because it appears that in revolution the worst element incline to take power. Only thing we need is that majority of people accept communist ideas, and it very rarely happens.

[JKP]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2005, 10:14 AM
I'd prefer military communism, i.e. state organized like military camp. Discipline, order, equality, solidarity, training, restricted individual freedoms, no luxury ... that is what I want for future society. And I'd prefer gradual transformation over revolution, because it appears that in revolution the worst element incline to take power. Only thing we need is that majority of people accept communist ideas, and it very rarely happens.
Fascist ideas like that have no place in communism.

[bolshevik butcher]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2005, 06:14 PM
I'd prefer military communism, i.e. state organized like military camp. Discipline, order, equality, solidarity, training, restricted individual freedoms, no luxury ... that is what I want for future society. And I'd prefer gradual transformation over revolution, because it appears that in revolution the worst element incline to take power. Only thing we need is that majority of people accept communist ideas, and it very rarely happens.
AHHHHHHHHHHH! WHY????

Seriously, restricted personal freedoms, no doubt headed by a man lving in luxury. There is enough resources for most people in the world for everyone to lvie in relative luxury, why would you want to stop that?

[Goatse]

Are you sure he wasn't being sarcastic in response to the contradictory nature of the question?

[Ouroboros]

Seriously, restricted personal freedoms, no doubt headed by a man lving in luxury. There is enough resources for most people in the world for everyone to lvie in relative luxury, why would you want to stop that?

You forgot one thing: health. Health is one of the most important needs, and there are always many people who are dying, and who wouldn't die if we invested more in medical research and less in luxury. There are other examples as well. There is no way out of that, if we want better, more human, more compasionate society, we have to pay the price.