Should Canada ban 50-Cent

[Red Leader]

They dont want to let the rapper tour here because he promotes gun violence, which is a massive problem in toronto right now. Is this fair? I think so, however his movie Get rich or Die Trying was filmed in Toronto, so it would be a tad hypocrytical. Personnaly, i cant stand his music. What do you think?

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Since I seriously doubt that 50 Cent is capable of mind control, I don't think he should be prevented from touring no matter how bad some people think his music is.

[WUOrevolt]

They shouldnt ban him.

[Paradox]

ban him? I don't think they should. But I do think that he's wack. I mean, I hear he's coming out with a fuckin' video game, for shits sake!?! That's just retarded. And it's called "bulletproof." Go figure. He's getting rich cuz he got shot. :rolleyes:

[Red Leader]

NoXion, its not mind control, its people listning to his music, seeing how shooting people up is cool, and then going out and doing it. it is a reality. I see it everyday in the newspaper, "black teen gets killed in shooting". His music and many other's has a tremendous influence on some kids. However, i think, on canada's part, its a little lame to ban him and not other things/artists.

[violencia.Proletariat]

Originally posted by Red [email protected] 25 2005, 09:12 PM
NoXion, its not mind control, its people listning to his music, seeing how shooting people up is cool, and then going out and doing it. it is a reality. I see it everyday in the newspaper, "black teen gets killed in shooting". His music and many other's has a tremendous influence on some kids. However, i think, on canada's part, its a little lame to ban him and not other things/artists.
i dont think people in ghettos shoot eachother "because its cool" or for "a good time". and they most certainly dont do it because of "50 cent" because it was happening long before him

[C_Rasmussen]

They shouldn't ban 50 Cent because of supposed gun violence, they should ban him cuz he sucks.


In all seriousness though it would be pretty hypocritical if his movie was shot (no pun intended) in Toronto yet doesn't get to perform. Gun violence is going to continue to go on whether or not he plays.

[KC]

The people that do these things because "they heard it on a CD" had mental problems before they heard what they heard. 50 cent doesn't make them shoot people; the people themselves do.

[Comrade Hector]

Originally posted by [email protected] 26 2005, 02:53 AM
They shouldn't ban 50 Cent because of supposed gun violence, they should ban him cuz he sucks.
I second that. It would be much easier on the ears if we didn't have that garbage labeled "music", nothing but noice pollution.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Originally posted by Comrade Hector+Nov 26 2005, 08:33 AM--> (Comrade Hector @ Nov 26 2005, 08:33 AM)
[email protected] 26 2005, 02:53 AM
They shouldn't ban 50 Cent because of supposed gun violence, they should ban him cuz he sucks.
I second that. It would be much easier on the ears if we didn't have that garbage labeled "music", nothing but noice pollution. [/b]
Well, hurray for artistic freedom :rolleyes:

Toronto has often been cited by alarmist Canadian radio hosts as Canada's murder capital. They are wrong. This guy explains why. (http://www.stardestroyer.net/Mike/Ramblings/?p=16)

[Lord Testicles]

I dont think they should stop him touring in Canada, if people lisen to his music it theyr choice.


Originally posted by Red Leader
NoXion, its not mind control, its people listning to his music, seeing how shooting people up is cool, and then going out and doing it. it is a reality. I see it everyday in the newspaper, "black teen gets killed in shooting". His music and many other's has a tremendous influence on some kids.

Any one who lisens to lyrics and do what the lyrics tell you to do is a waste of air if you ask me. I mean who hears about "drive by's" then put in the effort to go out buy a gun and kill someone, its idiotic and probably happens once or twice a decade but every time some teen kills someone they blame music or video games

[Red Leader]

I know, music like that isn't the cause of all of the violence in toronto, but the fact that he condones it and glorifies it has some people worried, they want to be sensitive to the victims of gun violence. And yes, it has been proven that music and games and the like have a huge impact on teens.


http://www.media-awareness.ca/english/pare..._videogames.cfm (http://www.media-awareness.ca/english/parents/video_games/issues_teens_videogames.cfm)

http://www.truelies.org/120803-Video_Game_..._Card_Study.htm (http://www.truelies.org/120803-Video_Game_Report_Card_Study.htm)

However, it is stupid that they want to ban him from touring, but not from making movies and stuff. As well, it isn't just 50 Cent, its the "music" in general.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Try as I might, but I couldn't find peer-reviewed studies on either of the websites provided.

So no it hasn't been "proven"

[Comrade Hector]

Originally posted by [email protected] 26 2005, 11:50 AM
Well, hurray for artistic freedom :rolleyes:

Toronto has often been cited by alarmist Canadian radio hosts as Canada's murder capital. They are wrong. This guy explains why. (http://www.stardestroyer.net/Mike/Ramblings/?p=16)
You call 50 cent "artistic"?

[FidelCastro]

50 Cent represents everything I hate. He Represents Capitalism and Crime by trying to glorify it.

[Guerrilla22]

Banning 50 Cent from their country would only make Canadians look that much more smarter. 50 Cent is some bullshit.

[The Floyd]

Where to start:

50-cent is lucky that bullets didn't hit any of his vital organs. It's not cuz he's tough. Guns don't care how big and black you are, they're gonna kill you if they hit the right spot, unfortunately none of these did. All of 50-cent's success is based off his luck from not getting shot, so if you hate 50-cent hate the guy who shot him, for having poor aim. If the shooters' daddy taught him to shoot properly then 50-cent wouldnt have been so lucky and he wouldn't have had the chance to capitalize on his lucky feud with nine bullets and a guy who can't aim.

Secondly, people don't go out and kill other people cuz they hear it in a song on the radio, they go out for their own reasons. They probably just thinks it's easier to get away with it cuz they have these rappers claiming they're so tough because they can go to jail or get shot or shoot someone and get away with it. Rap music doesnt promote shooting people, it just promotes a make-believe, sugar coated lifestyle after being shot.

Maybe if we're lucky, all the gang members will get together and commit mass suicide (unknowingly) thinking they're gonna help a friend out if they shoot them. Picture this: they can gather in a circle and count to three, then on three they'll all shoot each other. It would massively reduce gun violence and gang activity, for a short period of time.

Ask yourself this: If no one made an issue about banning 50-cent, do you think anyone besides a MP woulda been pissed off about him coming to Canada? I doubt it woulda crossed the minds of more than ten wack-job soccer moms. No-one woulda cared!

Toronto hosted a post-SARS relief concert in July 2003 headed by the Rolling Stones. In the puritan society that North-America is, how come no one complained that we had some drug-addled guitarist and sex-romping lead singer on stage? Because no one thought of it! Who cares! Only the dumbass conservative and liberal MPs sitting lonely in their office waiting for their chance to have a good 15 minutes of fame thats who. In the case of the (ever awesome) Rolling Stones, no one gave a shit, but give it sometime and they will complain about these things again. People *****ed about Elvis you know.

Sex, drugs, gangs and violent crime have all existed long before recorded music even existed. Why would you cheat yourself by saying otherwise?

[Magraheed]

Hes a fucking joke!!!

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

Originally posted by [email protected] 26 2005, 01:10 AM
ban him? I don't think they should. But I do think that he's wack. I mean, I hear he's coming out with a fuckin' video game, for shits sake!?! That's just retarded. And it's called "bulletproof." Go figure. He's getting rich cuz he got shot. :rolleyes:
He stole the idea from the Wu-Tang Clan, who did had a game years ago (on PS1). As far as I know they were the first to do it ever.

[Wanted Man]

Hm, we could have a gun control discussion out of this later.

Anyway, of course he shouldn't be banned. You just hate him because he's rich and successful.

[Hampton]

If there is a gun problem why not just ban guns and not some goof who sings about them?

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2005, 04:35 PM
If there is a gun problem why not just ban guns and not some goof who sings about them?
Since most criminals get their guns illegally I don't think banning them will make any difference. Criminals by definition don't care about the law.

[Wanted Man]

And what kind of chance does a revolution have without an armed proletariat? Is it going to throw sticks at the police?

[Ownthink]

Originally posted by The [email protected] 26 2005, 11:35 PM
Where to start:

50-cent is lucky that bullets didn't hit any of his vital organs. It's not cuz he's tough. Guns don't care how big and black you are, they're gonna kill you if they hit the right spot, unfortunately none of these did. All of 50-cent's success is based off his luck from not getting shot, so if you hate 50-cent hate the guy who shot him, for having poor aim. If the shooters' daddy taught him to shoot properly then 50-cent wouldnt have been so lucky and he wouldn't have had the chance to capitalize on his lucky feud with nine bullets and a guy who can't aim.

Secondly, people don't go out and kill other people cuz they hear it in a song on the radio, they go out for their own reasons. They probably just thinks it's easier to get away with it cuz they have these rappers claiming they're so tough because they can go to jail or get shot or shoot someone and get away with it. Rap music doesnt promote shooting people, it just promotes a make-believe, sugar coated lifestyle after being shot.

Maybe if we're lucky, all the gang members will get together and commit mass suicide (unknowingly) thinking they're gonna help a friend out if they shoot them. Picture this: they can gather in a circle and count to three, then on three they'll all shoot each other. It would massively reduce gun violence and gang activity, for a short period of time.

Ask yourself this: If no one made an issue about banning 50-cent, do you think anyone besides a MP woulda been pissed off about him coming to Canada? I doubt it woulda crossed the minds of more than ten wack-job soccer moms. No-one woulda cared!

Toronto hosted a post-SARS relief concert in July 2003 headed by the Rolling Stones. In the puritan society that North-America is, how come no one complained that we had some drug-addled guitarist and sex-romping lead singer on stage? Because no one thought of it! Who cares! Only the dumbass conservative and liberal MPs sitting lonely in their office waiting for their chance to have a good 15 minutes of fame thats who. In the case of the (ever awesome) Rolling Stones, no one gave a shit, but give it sometime and they will complain about these things again. People *****ed about Elvis you know.

Sex, drugs, gangs and violent crime have all existed long before recorded music even existed. Why would you cheat yourself by saying otherwise?
For the Mother Fucking Win.


He stole the idea from the Wu-Tang Clan, who did had a game years ago (on PS1). As far as I know they were the first to do it ever
Hey, I remember renting that for PS1 when I was 9 :lol:


If there is a gun problem why not just ban guns and not some goof who sings about them?
I cannot tell you how stupid this sentence is.

[Purple]

I live in Toronto, and it has been an alarming increase in gun violence lately! 50 Cent rapping about guns, and violence is something that I can understand that the politicans can do without! I'm all for freedom of speach, but maybe he could just wait a bit!

...however I am getting really tired of all this bragging he does! He got shot nine times, that says something about his intelligence, not his "badassness"!

[Raisa]

Originally posted by Red [email protected] 25 2005, 11:43 PM
They dont want to let the rapper tour here because he promotes gun violence, which is a massive problem in toronto right now. Is this fair? I think so, however his movie Get rich or Die Trying was filmed in Toronto, so it would be a tad hypocrytical. Personnaly, i cant stand his music. What do you think?
HA! What if he shot their asses?
Oh the irony. :lol:

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

Or even better what if they shot him?

But seriously, how far does this go?

What about the 70's rockers that sing about drugs, sex, and violence whilst heroin pulses through their collapsing veins?

[FleasTheLemur]

If he had gotten shot nine times facing down hatred/capitalism/oppression... any one of these things, I'd be proud. But all 50 cent does is perpetuate what the capitalists expects of a poverty-stricken minority; to fight amoungst themselves and not question why they're in this place to begin with. All 50 Cent is saying is "I got shot because a possible black socialist movement in the 80s was destablized by introduction of crack and the transformation of the hip-hop to something intelligent and provocative to mindless 'let's all be capitalists' drivel".

With all that being said though, I don't think that they should 'ban' 50-Cent. I don't think anyone should be banned. I do have to admit, though, that this kind of thinking is counter-productive to the Cause, though.

[The Floyd]

Originally posted by Ownthink+Nov 28 2005, 02:30 AM--> (Ownthink @ Nov 28 2005, 02:30 AM)
The [email protected] 26 2005, 11:35 PM
Where to start:

50-cent is lucky that bullets didn't hit any of his vital organs. It's not cuz he's tough. Guns don't care how big and black you are, they're gonna kill you if they hit the right spot, unfortunately none of these did. All of 50-cent's success is based off his luck from not getting shot, so if you hate 50-cent hate the guy who shot him, for having poor aim. If the shooters' daddy taught him to shoot properly then 50-cent wouldnt have been so lucky and he wouldn't have had the chance to capitalize on his lucky feud with nine bullets and a guy who can't aim.

Secondly, people don't go out and kill other people cuz they hear it in a song on the radio, they go out for their own reasons. They probably just thinks it's easier to get away with it cuz they have these rappers claiming they're so tough because they can go to jail or get shot or shoot someone and get away with it. Rap music doesnt promote shooting people, it just promotes a make-believe, sugar coated lifestyle after being shot.

Maybe if we're lucky, all the gang members will get together and commit mass suicide (unknowingly) thinking they're gonna help a friend out if they shoot them. Picture this: they can gather in a circle and count to three, then on three they'll all shoot each other. It would massively reduce gun violence and gang activity, for a short period of time.

Ask yourself this: If no one made an issue about banning 50-cent, do you think anyone besides a MP woulda been pissed off about him coming to Canada? I doubt it woulda crossed the minds of more than ten wack-job soccer moms. No-one woulda cared!

Toronto hosted a post-SARS relief concert in July 2003 headed by the Rolling Stones. In the puritan society that North-America is, how come no one complained that we had some drug-addled guitarist and sex-romping lead singer on stage? Because no one thought of it! Who cares! Only the dumbass conservative and liberal MPs sitting lonely in their office waiting for their chance to have a good 15 minutes of fame thats who. In the case of the (ever awesome) Rolling Stones, no one gave a shit, but give it sometime and they will complain about these things again. People *****ed about Elvis you know.

Sex, drugs, gangs and violent crime have all existed long before recorded music even existed. Why would you cheat yourself by saying otherwise?
For the Mother Fucking Win.
[/b]
what do you mean? haha...

[The Sloth]

no, music doesn't cause gun violence.

but.. take it from someone that has known plenty of assholes that had the penchant for violence simply because of attitudes imitated from what they consider to be a fashionable culture.

i lived in brooklyn for most of my life but my first two high school years were spent in the suburbs of new jersey. you must understand my surprise when i saw a bunch of middle-class class kids pulling pistols for no reason other than image/character conformity.

needless to say, 50 cent (among a few other talentless "artists") was their drive-by-music preference.

yes, material conditions do determine reality -- i.e., they encourage and discourage certain behaviors. but, since when is social pressure/abstract culture not considered a heavy influence? no one is "forcing" these suburbanites to do anything.. but fads & fashions do point to what is considered "good"/"cool" behavior.

the situation is similar in brooklyn. in an interesting case, i knew a wealthy kid (now a high school junior, i think) in all-honors classes. intelligent, but fell into listening to garbage music (50 cent being an element in the trash). i tried to introduce him to some better hip-hop, but he still didn't shake the bullshit off. he maintained the same group of friends, yet started acting differently, even going so far as to calling females "*****es" in front of me. when i called him on it, he thought it acceptable. next time i spoke to him, he transferred schools (very low grades) and smoked weed about three times a day.

excellent family situation, surrounded by positive friends, so his immediate pers and economic conditions were to his advantage. but there was one problem: he had no direction, and no identity. even before his speech became slurred and embarassing and non-sensical, i told him those things over and over again: "i think you conform too quickly." that's because i noticed little, sheep-like things about him. didn't think he'd take it as far as he did, but, he did.

in new jersey, it reached an extreme: we had plenty of kids like the one i just described, but they always took it one step further, even carrying weapons for the hell of it. not that they were inherently violent, but they felt such action appropriate given their "new attitudes."

it all comes down to having sheep qualities. of course, non-cultural material conditions nurture sheep qualities, but not always. dependence and conformity is as much economic as it is psychological.

[ack]

Originally posted by Red [email protected] 25 2005, 07:49 PM
They dont want to let the rapper tour here because he promotes gun violence, which is a massive problem in toronto right now. Is this fair? I think so, however his movie Get rich or Die Trying was filmed in Toronto, so it would be a tad hypocrytical. Personnaly, i cant stand his music. What do you think?
50's music sucks, but they shouldn't ban him.
There are so mnay people who rap better than him.
Busdriver, KRS One, Dead Prez, Immortal Technique.
The list goes on.

[Zingu]

I find people like him disgusting.

Glorifying a culture of violence so many people are forced to suffer in today. :angry:

[Korol Aferist]

This what happen when you have socialists and commies in Canada... Canada even sucks more than before...

[Red Leader]

This what happen when you have socialists and commies in Canada... Canada even sucks more than before...

Could you elaborate please?

[The Floyd]

Originally posted by Red [email protected] 2 2005, 01:52 PM

This what happen when you have socialists and commies in Canada... Canada even sucks more than before...

Could you elaborate please?
I think what he is trying to do is demonstrate that he has no clue what he is talking about.

If I'm wrong, then please feel free to rebuttle.

[FidelCastro]

the reasons they are banning him suck, they should ban him for promoting bad music!

[Korol Aferist]

Originally posted by The Floyd+Dec 4 2005, 04:10 AM--> (The Floyd @ Dec 4 2005, 04:10 AM)
Red [email protected] 2 2005, 01:52 PM

This what happen when you have socialists and commies in Canada... Canada even sucks more than before...

Could you elaborate please?
I think what he is trying to do is demonstrate that he has no clue what he is talking about.

If I'm wrong, then please feel free to rebuttle. [/b]
If I rebuttle for you,would you spank me and tell me I'm a good boy ?

Well,In many variants of communism and socialism,
freedom is not allowed for the safety of the people.
Unless you believe in something libertarian like
Libertarian Socialism.

Canada is getting mess up little by little...
Right Now,they're banning 50 cent in one
of their city.Why they don't ban dribble that
David Icke writes.(David Icke is big on the
North of the Border)

[Red Leader]

This what happen when you have socialists and commies in Canada... Canada even sucks more than before...

I was just wondering what you mean by canada sucks even more than before. Like I said. Please elaborate on this because it seems you are only spewing out usless rhetoric that has no backing. For example, anyone can say a comment like


Well,In many variants of communism and socialism, freedom is not allowed for the safety of the people.

but it doesnt make it true. Could you explain how freedom is not allowed for the safety of the people? Im pretty sure the whole idea is the protecction of every individual. How is banning a man who clearly glorifies, promotes, and practices gun violence, drug abuse and exploitation of women restricting somebody's fredoms? What freedoms are you refering to?? Freedom to be a douche bag? Not in our constitution. This man belongs in jail, end of story. Banning him is not interfering with anyone's freedoms. Banning him is for the intrest and saftey of the people of toronto.

So yes, as asked nicely, and in no dictated, as you alluded to in your juvinile comment about being spanked, elaborate on what you said about canada sucks even more than before and that communism doesnt allow freedom for the safety of people.


(Note: I dont necsessarily want to ban him, i tjust think he is a really big asshole and he should be imprisoned.)

[Devil$tator]

50 cent is the biggest load of shit ever, his music sucks, and banning him from touring might make a lot of people listen to much better music.

However they shouldn't ban him because he promotes gun violence. that is just lame. if they ban him for that, they might ban loads of other bands and artists for similar reasons.

[timbaly]

I think he's a horrible rapper and his last album was terrible. I don't mind him being banned but I don't think he necessarily should be. The reason for banning is a bit weak since many acts promote gun violence.

[JC1]

The bottom line is 50 cent isn't the cause of the gun problem in Canada, grinding poverty is. I know first hand about gun violence in this country, I even got a buddy who is goin' down for seven year's on a gun charge, and leme tell you that 50 cent has nothin' to do with it.

Fucking Librano's.

[Xvall]

NoXion, its not mind control, its people listning to his music, seeing how shooting people up is cool, and then going out and doing it. it is a reality. I see it everyday in the newspaper, "black teen gets killed in shooting". His music and many other's has a tremendous influence on some kids. However, i think, on canada's part, its a little lame to ban him and not other things/artists.

You're joking? Please don't tell me people here are using this argument. 50 cent has no significant impact on crime.Should we get rid of all those violent video games and movies too!

[ReD_ReBeL]

lol wtf is this thread about? why would we want to ban 50-cent? people should be allowed to express whtever opinions thy r. He is not giving these people gun's and personally making thm shoot people, if people listen to his music and lift up a gun and shoot sum1 thn thy gotta have something wrong with there mental health. it's like how Marilyn manson got the blame for the Culombine massacre, it's rediculous

[ComTom]

Though I hate rap, and every part of it, I think that if we ban 50 cent, we are banning freedom of speech. Though he shows no concern towards human life and the female in his dirty poetry, he needs to be allowed to express his opinion no matter what.

[Zingu]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2005, 01:02 AM
Though I hate rap, and every part of it, I think that if we ban 50 cent, we are banning freedom of speech. Though he shows no concern towards human life and the female in his dirty poetry, he needs to be allowed to express his opinion no matter what.
Liberal shit.

[Spark]

What, there's something wrong with freedom of speech now?