JEHAD against US military expansion!

[Revolution Hero]

It seems that Iraq will not be alone in its struggle against imperialistic interventionists. Being a Muslim country Iraq will probably find allies presented by other Islamic countries of a region.
Muslim world community is known for its unity and brotherhood, especially when it comes to the common actions against the oppressor of any brotherly Islamic state. The Holy War called JEHAD will immediately take international character if US army attacks Iraq.
Yemen’s people are well known for their anti-american moods. Now they are ready to fight against US troops on Iraq’s soil. They say that to fight Jehad is their religious obligation; and they are sure that millions of muslims will join them in their Holy War.
Rich Islamic countries will definitely provide Iraq with financial and military help; US army will definitely have hard time there.

Even if US are successful in the war against Iraq it will suffer from guerilla warfare, which they will call with such a popular term as “terrorism”.

[canikickit]

Even if US are successful in the war against Iraq it will suffer from guerilla warfare, which they will call with such a popular term as “terrorism”.

True indeed. There's probably going to be a lot of changes there in the next twenty years.

Apparently, it's not only muslims who are doing this, comrade.


One of the Rumanian members of Che-Lives, red warlock, said that the Rumanian Communist Party(which he belongs to), are sending 70 members to fight with the Iraqi troops against the american imperialists. They will come to Iraq on the 3rd of february or even earlier. I am thinking to invite red warlock to this forum so he can tell us more.

This is what New Democracy said. Do you know anything about that?


I also saw this on another forum: "2500 Russian Citizens Set Off To Iraq To Support Them In War".

I don't really know the truth of these remarks.

[RedRevolutionary87]

i believe the new form of warfare will be just that...semicovert ops, using scare tactics to make a nation crumble from within. the usa is completely powerless to stop people from koming and in blwoing the fuk out of any city in the usa...you kno how easy it is to cross the border in a car with a breifcase nuke!?

[Dhul Fiqar]

I sure do, transporting nukes across borders is one of my favorite activities :biggrin:

--- G.

[Guardia Bolivariano]

Quote: from Dhul Fiqar on 4:59 am on Feb. 8, 2003
I sure do, transporting nukes across borders is one of my favorite activities :biggrin:

--- G.
How much do you charge?:cheesy:

[Sinistra]

There is a problem with your idea of JIHAD , because Sadam is from the "suna" part of islam , while most of the muslims in the erea of Iraq and Iran are "Shiya" , and the "shiya" well seek the help of the US in order to rule Iraq , the is a strong "shiya" opessetion to sadam , they are based in Iran , and they are suprted by them .

And GUARDIA BOLIVARIANO , you seem happy talking about a jihad against the US . what the fuck is wrong with you . maybe what you think of the US is wrong , but I sure rather have "an imperlialist america" (as you say) , and not a moslem , "shariya" country.

[Revolution Hero]

Quote: from Sinistra on 1:08 am on Feb. 9, 2003

There is a problem with your idea of JIHAD , because Sadam is from the "suna" part of islam , while most of the muslims in the erea of Iraq and Iran are "Shiya" , and the "shiya" well seek the help of the US in order to rule Iraq , the is a strong "shiya" opessetion to sadam , they are based in Iran , and they are suprted by them .




Fighting a Jehad against US is not my idea, but that is what people of Yemen will do. One of the respected members of Yemen tribes community is going to declare Jehad to US if they start a war.

Iran and Iraq are traditional enemies. But it is also not good for Iran to have such neigbours as US interventionists. So Iran has to decide whom to side with.

[Red Liberation]

I definatly think that the war will cause some of the islamic hard-liners to do something. Im not sure about Iran though. I think it'll stay out of this one as long as it can.

[Guardia Bolivariano]

Quote: from Sinistra on 3:08 pm on Feb. 8, 2003

There is a problem with your idea of JIHAD , because Sadam is from the "suna" part of islam , while most of the muslims in the erea of Iraq and Iran are "Shiya" , and the "shiya" well seek the help of the US in order to rule Iraq , the is a strong "shiya" opessetion to sadam , they are based in Iran , and they are suprted by them .

And GUARDIA BOLIVARIANO , you seem happy talking about a jihad against the US . what the fuck is wrong with you . maybe what you think of the US is wrong , but I sure rather have "an imperlialist america" (as you say) , and not a moslem , "shariya" country.



No What the fuck is wrong with you! I just said jehad was posible they helped the Taliban with jehad why not saddam.(not that this makes me happy or sad)Hatred towards the US is a perfect excuse jehad no matter what subdivision of islam arabs or on.
And I'm sorry but the US is imperialist and It is wrong.So wake up!

(Edited by Guardia Bolivariano at 6:37 pm on Feb. 8, 2003)

[ID2002]

oky...I thought Iraqis were Shiite Muslim, but I could be wrong. Anyway, I see a Jihad as a response to American agressors. Sure, there is bad blood on both sides, but the actions of the Imperialistic USA are fuelling more hatred. To me...it seems that this will snow ball into something much darker and distrubing.

I am lucky that Canada has one of the worlds largest population of Islamic peoples...Iraqis, Iranians, Saudis, Turks, Egyptians, Syrians, and SE Asians...

I can understand their frusteration. Islam isn't the problem....USA and its agressive policies are.

Sure, everyone I think wants peace, but there are few who act greedy and try and dominate.

[Guardia Bolivariano]

I really hope It doesn't come to war but an american invasion can really upset the balance in the muslim world and bring more terrorism.Al qaeda is the US most dangerous enemy so why go to Irak and create new tention?And we still don't know If saddam really has WMDs.A new wave of attacks,rebelions and not to mention disease might get out just because one day they decided to get iraqui oil and create a pupet regime.

[Revolution Hero]

Quote from canikickit:” This is what New Democracy said. Do you know anything about that?
I also saw this on another forum: "2500 Russian Citizens Set Off To Iraq To Support Them In War".”

Sorry, for such a late reply. I haven’t heard anything about it. Russian media wouldn’t spread this kind of news in order not to worsen relations with US (media depends on government). So, it can be true.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

On another note: Will the Turks join the war?

[ID2002]

it seems likely....

[Kapitan Andrey]

...This topic is hard...but I'm always was against the u.s.a.!!! So...I want to bush's suffer!!!

[Wash Me]

first of all...if this so called war does happen then i don’t think those rebellious muslims in yemen or which ever country it is, will be able to do anything about it. Most likely the countries neighboring Iraq will close all the borders, and their governments will try to stop them from doing anything!
and if they did care so much about iraqi people they should have aided them a long time ago with food and medicine.......
but nope, nobody did anything then.
why would they do anything now?

[deimos]

will be able to do anything about it.
I agee.
There will definately not be any kind of "holy alliance" against the US. No government i this region wants that. Also the majority of the iraqis are looking forward to war...

[Revolution Hero]

Quote: from Victorcommie on 3:41 pm on Feb. 9, 2003
On another note: Will the Turks join the war?


If Turkey will enter the conflict it will participate in the alliance with US. But it will not happen. Turkey even refused to offer US its airports and prohibited US air forces to use its air space

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

And the stingers that the US gave to the Mujahideen, wich shot aproxmily 400 Soviet choppers down will find their way to US Apaches and other US choppers.

They will pay!

(Edited by CCCP at 10:34 am on Feb. 10, 2003)

[kamov]

Iraq isn't a Muslim country. It's an Arab country. The ruling Baathist party isn't an Islamic party, it is secular.

I'd vouch that a majority of Muslims aren't going to rush headlong into slaughter for the sake of Iraq, to "defend" Islam. No. That's what it's supposed to do. Draw more fire towards Islamic "terrorists", fire and brimstone sentiments and all.

That's what the war on Iraq is supposed to do...drive Muslims to aggression. Inciting hatred towards the US for punishing the Arabs for the Sept. 11th attacks.

Asking the Muslims for a good reason to go to war.

That's not what Islam is all about. A majority of Muslims in Asia are not terribly excited about the prospect of The Second Round. Another Gulf War isn't going to bring Muslims closer together, it's going to spread them further apart: one half for "Jihad", and the other half for Peace. Instead of bringing them closer to a sense of brotherhood, it will bring them closer to disunity.

The point is: Muslims will have to choose.

Make open war now, when all are divided, or hold onto the vague, hopeless quest for peace, and watch more people die on television...

No, this war isn't a rallying call to arms for Muslims. It is a death-knell, a swan song.

[Revolution Hero]

Quote: from kamov on 5:38 am on Feb. 11, 2003
Iraq isn't a Muslim country. It's an Arab country. The ruling Baathist party isn't an Islamic party, it is secular.



Though the government of Iraq is not connected with any religious institutions it is Muslim country, because Islam is the dominant religion there and the majority of Iraq’s population are Muslims.
Just like Turkey is the secular state, but it is still called the only Muslim member of NATO.

It doesn’t matter if the country is religious or secular; Muslim people fight Jehad and this war is international war of all Muslims. What Saddam has to do is to declare Jehad to US, as the result he will immediately gain the support of a number of Islamic states and organizations.
Iraq will fight the just war, Iraq soldiers will have moral preponderance; they will defend their motherland! Let the power be with them!

[Sinistra]

Kamov .

although the Iraqi ruling party is the ba'ath party , wich is secular , it stopped being secular , and i know that Tareq Aziz is christian .
In the last ten years there was a change in the atitude of the Iraqi ba'ath party towards Islam , dont forget that saddam resently added the "allah akbar" part in the Iraqy flag , he sent people to "mecca" to do the pilgrimige in his name , he formed "the army of Jerusalem" wich is supposed to fight in a JIHAD against Israel . and he suports the families of suicide terorists .

and one more thing , the majority of Iraq are "shiia" , but Saddam him self is a "suna" .

[LeonardoDaVinci]

Quote: from Sinistra on 2:23 pm on Feb. 11, 2003
Kamov .

although the Iraqi ruling party is the ba'ath party , wich is secular , it stopped being secular , and i know that Tareq Aziz is christian .
In the last ten years there was a change in the atitude of the Iraqi ba'ath party towards Islam , dont forget that saddam resently added the "allah akbar" part in the Iraqy flag , he sent people to "mecca" to do the pilgrimige in his name , he formed "the army of Jerusalem" wich is supposed to fight in a JIHAD against Israel . and he suports the families of suicide terorists .



Dear Sinistra, those moves by Saddam are nothing more than a publicity stunt he orchestrated to gather the support of Muslims in the Arab world and particularly the Palestinians.

Also, prior to the gulf war, Saddam never use to care much for religion (although from a Sunni background). However, after the war the Iraqi leader assumed this new 'goody Sunni boy' character in order to,

a) Gain support amongst the Muslims (most of whom
are Sunni apart from Iran, Iraq, Bahrain, and Lebanon).

B) Carry on with his ruthless programme of opressing the Shiite majority in Iraq and particularly the holy city of Najaf where he is loathed.

His particular hatred for the Shiite muslims stems not from any religious motive, but rather because the nature of Shiite Islam is very revolutionary and rebelious, and thus when Saddam assumed power he realised that he must opress the shiite population before they rise against him.

However, it is not just the shiite majority that loathes Saddam. There is also a large Christian contingent in Iraq as well as many copmmunists who likewise loath Saddam and his totalitarian party.

[LeonardoDaVinci]

I also believe that America's mad intransigence is pushing many moderate Muslims towards extremism, because in their opinion, other nations will always acquiesce to American demands.

[Sinistra]

Dont take me for an Idiot , i knoe exactly why Saddam made these moves , i didnt think that he had a feeling of inlightment and desided to become more muslim .
Though all that , Iraq is stll not a secular country .

[Revolution Hero]

Sinistra,you say that Iraq is not secular state, arguing that Saddam is Muslim, many members of the ruling party are also Muslims and Saddam “added the "allah akbar" part in the Iraqy flag” and also sent people to Mecca. Obviously, your arguments don’t make your position stronger.
Let’s say Putin is Christian, he and other state officials visit church on Christmas. Do these facts make Russian Federation not a secular state? No.
All American presidents make an oath holding the hand on Bible, somebody added the sentence “In God we trust” in us dollar. Do these facts make USA not a secular state? No.

If the state power is ecclesiastical, in other words if the religious institutions rule the state, only then the state is not secular.

[suffianr]

Hey fellas, "kamov" was me. Long story. :biggrin:

Anyway, I must say I agree with LeonardoDaVinci. Saddam isn't as stupid as he looks. Not that I'm a great fan, but think about it: Stalin used the influence of the Russian church during WW2 to mobilize popular support. Why can't Saddam do the same thing?

The question is not whether Iraq is an Islamic state or whether Saddam's motives are reasonable or not, it's that this new war isn't good news for Muslims. It shouldn't be the cause a solidarity.

Even for us, socialists & leftists, war should not be a cause for solidarity. War should never be used to unify people, think about it, if people are brought together through conflict and loss, what does that tell you about the integrity of their bond? What does it say about the intentions of solidarity? The purpose?

War is war.

[IHP]

I have long disagreed with most things that Sinistra says, it is documented for all to see that he hates islam.

But in regards to this unity. Although they have a common cause, it is doubtful that hardliners and a sects will unite. Highly doubtful. Hardliners see sects as infidels.

The Wahabi's in Saudi Arabia for example despise the royal family. Anything that is not hardline is not to be tolerated.

I would be very suprised if an alliance was formed.

Someone asked about the Kurds earlier. Im not sure if it was answered, but I think their stance would be dubious. They have no love for Saddam. BUt last time the Yanks 'helped" them, they went into to battle believing they had U$ backing. The U$ then tucked their tail between its legs and the Kurds were slaughtered.

Their stance will be interesting. Hawarameen?

--IHP

[Doshka]

first of all to reply to Revolution Hero, the american president is an elected (well most of the time, exclude the current ape) and only remains in presidency for a max of 8 years...in iraq he is as good as god there...ive been there several times in the past years...his pictures are like holy...the iraqi mokhabarat...or FBI are everywhere, people are scared shitless, to scared to say a word either with or against saddam. so when saddam does things islamic he is announcing that his country is muslim..whatever his motives are.
secondly, Sinistra, you hate islam? why? i dont belive in god and i couldnt care less about relegion but i was brought up a muslim...whats makes you so against it? it is not worse than other relegions...please i would like to hear your views.
hawarameen, you are kurdish?
and to everyone, even is saddam 'declares' jihad as you say, he will get no more support than what he has now...islamic countries will NOT flock to his side..not against the states...are you guys crazy? if these countries wont even fight america in defence of themselves they wouldnt fight the u$ in defence of iraq.

[Sinistra]

Doshka , i dont want to get into this too much ( you can read all of my arguments in"HEY!" in the politics forum).
The main reason that i despithe Islam is beacuse it is a relegion which is based on Damenation , Hatred , fear ...

[Doshka]

but all three of the relegions are based on fear of god and his punishment

[Sinistra]

It seems to me that you dont know what Jesus said (fuck the church and its actions) . love each other as you love yourself .

[Revolution Hero]

Quote from Doshka:” and to everyone, even is saddam 'declares' jihad as you say, he will get no more support than what he has now...islamic countries will NOT flock to his side..not against the states...are you guys crazy?”

You might be right, it is the one possibility, but you also have to remember that there is also another possibility; no one knows which of these two possible developments of events will actually take place.
If you were brought up as a Muslim, then you have to know what Muslims do in the mosques. They don’t just listen to the prayer and pray themselves, but they also have discussions on different topics, mainly these discussions are very politicized. Mosques are the places where anti-American propaganda is spread. So, if the Muslim states will not support Iraq, then radical Muslims will.


And Sinistra fear of God and punishments for sins are not connected with the church, but on the religion feeling and belief.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

I think that nearly all Muslims will join. It is their duty to fight in Jehad. Perhaps the Shi'ites won't since Hussein is a Sunni and there is some tension between the groups. But it doesn't matter, America will win if it really wants to. Even if they don't, Americans will be told that it was an American victory, like in Vietnam. Many Americans refuse to admit that the US was defeated in Vietnam.