Lucidity of Reality

[Commie Rat]

Has there ever been a case of a dream so lucid that the lines of the subconcious and reality melt away?

Possible with some hallucigenics?


Or is it possible to weild so much control over you mind that you control every thing that you see in a kind of walking lucid dream?

[Xvall]

Smoke Dimethyltryptamine.

[Forward Union]

How do we know something exists? Well, if a majority of people can see, smell, taste, hear, etc an object, the consensus is that it exists.

Or, if there is evidence that suggests an object (probably not in your immediate surroundings) exists from evidence such as witness accounts, photos, etc. Like the bottom of the ocean for example.

So if everyone hallucinated an object, does it therefor exist?? why does it have to be everybody, why can't it just be you?

Well, My personal conclusion, is that reality is a matter of perception...if you believe something is real, it's real. But I personally think that unless the object is subject to Empirical testing, its existence or non-existence becomes a matter of faith. Something that should represent no more than your personal ideas, and should not be used in any serious way (Like organised religion)

[Commie Rat]

reality is a matter of perception...if you believe something is real, it's real

That is what i was talking about, if you could control you toughts to an extent tht they were so real that you belived they were real as compared to 'real' life

[Xvall]

I don't know if you can do it by yourself, but take datura and for the next three days everything you see will seem very real to you.

[Lord Testicles]

I don't know if you can do it by yourself, but take datura and for the next three days everything you see will seem very real to you.

and unplesant

[Commie Rat]

unfortuatly i live in a small country town where hallucigenics are quite hard to procure

[Clarksist]

How do we know something exists? Well, if a majority of people can see, smell, taste, hear, etc an object, the consensus is that it exists.


Ahh, but the basic and most perplexing perceptive question comes into play: how do we know that that majority of "people" exist? Because the majority of other people believe they exist? Do those people "exist" then?

The problem with reality is that not only is perception going to make material reality relative, but metaphysical properties cannot be proven to be absolutely true for everyone.

In other words: I think an apple is red. But, is the red I percieve, what other people's percieved red? Therefore, if all metaphysical properties follow suit, then what is materially "real" to someone, may actually prove to be completely and fully "bullshit" to someone else, through that person's eyes.

Now, if metaphysical properties are all handled through our mind... that makes our mind the key observer of material reality.

Your question is: is there any lucidity in reality? Or is there a way to acheive that?

My answer is: you live a lucid reality everyday.

Hallucinegenic drugs add a "second layer" of lucidity to your already dubiously in-flux "reality". Native American's couldn't see Christopher Colombus' ships when they first arrived... now their actual material reality was that giant ships were floating on the ocean right in front of them, but it took a chieftain days of studying ripple patterns coming from the ocean, to realize what was there.

So think about it, is your reality lucid right now? Yes. Completely lucid. Everything is only what your mind percieves.

[Xvall]

Originally posted by Commie [email protected] 28 2005, 06:31 AM
unfortuatly i live in a small country town where hallucigenics are quite hard to procure
Datura is completely legal, actually. I don't suggest you do that, though. Dimethyltryptamine is not incredibly difficuly to get either. Anyone with enough privacy and the ability to order the correct plants and fluids to extract the compound can do it sucessfully so long as they follow instructions. (I'm not going to give them away here, though.)

[4514]

robert monroe (http://www.monroeinstitute.org/)
william buhlman (http://www.out-of-body.com/)
skeptic (http://skepdic.com/obe.html)
obe faq (http://www.psywww.com/asc/obe/faq/obe00.html)

peace out,

[visceroid]

ive been thinking... if the theory that for every action, a number of parallel universes are created in which a different action takes place. to simplify it a bit; you go to the fridge, there is an orange and an apple, you take the apple, but at that moment another 'possible reality' is created in which you take the orange. similar to a theory on the erratic behavior of particles in quantum mechanics...

well back to my point. when you trip on mushrooms or lsd or whatnot, technically what you are seeing is real, but in a parallel universe, one in which drills do come out the ground, or trees do have eyes and spin around, and your walls are really melting.

[Clarksist]

well back to my point. when you trip on mushrooms or lsd or whatnot, technically what you are seeing is real, but in a parallel universe, one in which drills do come out the ground, or trees do have eyes and spin around, and your walls are really melting.


Well its as real to you, as anything else. That is the thing about perception, if its real to you... its just as real as anything else that you experience.

[Xvall]

Yes. Everything I see is real, to me. I can only rely on my senses.