FARC

[ReD_ReBeL]

hey im just wondering to what everybodys opinion is on the guerilla group FARC? and what have they achieved? and what are there fuck up? just curious since i dont know a whole lot about the civil war in Colombia, say reply plz, cheers

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

do a search, we just had a thread on this..

[Janus]

I think that FARC have dropped their ideology in order to embrace drugs. They no longer seem to pay attention to the peasants and the have nots but rather have cashed in on drugs. Therefore, they place shame on socialism as they place their support on drugs rather than the people that they orginally set out to help. As a result, they have lost any sense of direction in their war and see the attaining of drugs and wealth as an end in itself rather than a means.

[chebol]

Instead of regurgitating bourgeois shit, how about doing some real research on the FARC-EP. In particular you could learn a thing or two about their ACTUAL policy in regards to drugs, rather than spewing out recycled rubbish.

[khalam_1232000]

no i disagree i think the ideology is still very strong, but i mean in order for them to succesfully institute protractive peoples war, they need funding and they dont get alot from cuba so why not sell the thing that grows best in colombia, not only will it fund there cause but it also underminds imperialism

[ReD_ReBeL]

does anyone know if there is any truth that the FARC has massacred civllians? is this truth or propaganda aimed to stopping there support base? :ph34r:

[chebol]

It's propaganda.
Re the drugs and funding. The FARC-EP receives laarge amounts of money through taxes. Taxes on the people who buy the coca leaves off the peasants, taxes off oil companies, taxes off other large corporations that work in the area they control. They don't receive drug money, and they are opposed to drugs.

The things that grow best in Colombia are discontent, fear, and hope, not coca.

[ReD_ReBeL]

yea didnt think it was true, im not to keen on the kidnappings really , fair enough if it was just soldiers thy took prisoner but not pipe line workers and company people, exspecialy if thy executed thm i would oppse it

[Cyber Communist]

I critically support the FARC-EP.

NO ONE should claim that it's better to side with the imperialist backed, corrupt Colombian regime of Uribe, as a so-called better alternative to the FARC-EP, regardless of any ACTUAL faults that the FARC-EP have.

The FARC-EP have never, to my knowledge, carried out mass killings in the style of the Colombian right-wing paramilitaries of the AUC or the Colombian army itself.

I disagree with the FARC-EP kidnapping foreign tourists, as they fall out of the boundaries of legitimate targets such as military officials, soldiers, policemen, politicians, senior corporate executives, AUC/death squad members and judicial officials.

However, I wish and hope that the FARC-EP will UNITE with the other main far-left guerrilla movement, the National Liberation Army (ELN). Such unification would not only add numbers, resources and funds to the Colombian revolutionary process, but would also give a new momentum to a revolutionary process which is now 40 years old.

This division into two different groups is unfounded, given that both the ELN and the FARC-EP both have similar ideologies within the revolutionary leftist movement, that is what some people call 'Castrosim' or Focosim.

Also, like the Zapatistas are doing in Mexico, after their 6th declaration, the Colombian guerrilla movement would do well to reach out to the non-guerrilla far-left and the trade union movement in Colombia. This would expand the Colombian revolutionary process to the urban areas and help break out of the rural areas which the guerrillas are based in.

[violencia.Proletariat]

However, I wish and hope that the FARC-EP will UNITE with the other main far-left guerrilla movement, the National Liberation Army (ELN). Such unification would not only add numbers, resources and funds to the Colombian revolutionary process, but would also give a new momentum to a revolutionary process which is now 40 years old.

they have united in some cases if im not mistaken. but it looks like the eln might be giving up. they are in talks with the government now.


This division into two different groups is unfounded, given that both the ELN and the FARC-EP both have similar ideologies within the revolutionary leftist movement, that is what some people call 'Castrosim' or Focosim.

no, they really cant unite. the farc is non-religious while the eln is religious, thats a pretty big difference.


Also, like the Zapatistas are doing in Mexico, after their 6th declaration, the Colombian guerrilla movement would do well to reach out to the non-guerrilla far-left and the trade union movement in Colombia. This would expand the Colombian revolutionary process to the urban areas and help break out of the rural areas which the guerrillas are based in.

i dont remember marxist leninist ever being big on trade unions :P

[Cyber Communist]

no, they really cant unite. the farc is non-religious while the eln is religious, thats a pretty big difference.

Thats news to me!

Can you please elaborate on that?

But whatever that is supposed to mean, the ELN is NOT fundamentalist, is that it wishes to establish a Catholic theocracy.

Given that, why does religion come into it?

[QUOTE]i dont remember marxist leninist ever being big on trade unions[QUOTE]

Well I can say that trade union LEADERSHIPS are not big on revolutions or anti-capitalism for that matter.

I was refering to the MEMBERS and the rank and file, the ones who join the trade unions out of life and death struggle to survive the intolerable conditions of capitalism that exist in Latin America.

Trade union leaderships are for the most part reformist and sell outs, they just need bypassing and the far-left should go straight to the members and workers.

Im NOT a leninist/vanguardist by the way.

In my view, indpepndent working class collectives joining the Colombian revolutionary process would BREAK DOWN any top-down authoritarian tendancies in the Colombian revolutionary process, not to mention widening it's base of support.

[violencia.Proletariat]

Originally posted by Cyber [email protected] 24 2005, 09:45 PM

no, they really cant unite. the farc is non-religious while the eln is religious, thats a pretty big difference.

Thats news to me!

Can you please elaborate on that?

But whatever that is supposed to mean, the ELN is NOT fundamentalist, is that it wishes to establish a Catholic theocracy.

Given that, why does religion come into it?


the eln is liberation theology, check wiki for more info on that. but farc as a marxist group follows materialism therfore is non religious. so its not likely that they would join forces with a religious group.

[Cyber Communist]

Thanks for that, Nate.

However, as you may know, many Latin American guerrilla movements have been influenced or supported by individuals or organisations which are part of 'liberation theology'.

I think that could have been said of the Sandanista's in Nicaragua, I think.

[Guerrilla22]

I'm glad to see that some people on this board see through the smoke screen set by the US government. FARC is in a revolutionary war, they really have no choice but to become involved in the drug trade in order to purchase much needed weapons and supplies for their cause. The ideology is still there. They also wouldn't have to become involved in the drug trade if the US government didn't flood the Colombian government and ALC with weapons.

[Correa]

I've heard capitalist propaganda that Chavez is aiding FARC, but is he really? I would hope so!

[WUOrevolt]

I read somewhere that they were listed as a terrorist orginazation by the United States and the EU.

[Creature]

I read somewhere that they were listed as a terrorist orginazation by the United States and the EU.

Pffft, Bush and the EU call everyone a terrorist organisation that can't provide them with a quick buck.

[Le People]

FARC seems to know how to fight a war; fuck what you belive in while you fight. They traffick drugs to raise funds, and the funds help raise an army. War has no rules.

[WUOrevolt]

Originally posted by Le [email protected] 26 2005, 07:51 AM
FARC seems to know how to fight a war; fuck what you belive in while you fight. They traffick drugs to raise funds, and the funds help raise an army. War has no rules.
By saying that you are justifying the torture that occured at the Iraqi prisons.

[Le People]

I don't like what any atrocties. The best remedy for war crimes and the such is to have no wars. You know, you gave me a new perspective to the situation. War must have rules. I retract my earlier statement.

[chebol]

War has rules. The FARC follow them.

[Correa]

You can only conduct a fair fight if your enemy is fighting fairly.

[Le People]

That is all good. You suggest fighting fire with fire, which makes more fire. Try water.

[Correa]

Originally posted by Le [email protected] 25 2005, 09:29 PM
That is all good. You suggest fighting fire with fire, which makes more fire. Try water.
Ah, yes&#33; Show humility, turn your cheek to the capitalist and say "thank you, may I have another"? <_<

[Le People]

But, You only have two cheecks.

[A Man of no Nation]

New revolution is needed&#33;

[A Man of no Nation]

I now live in Medellín Colombia, so I hear about the good and bad that these guys are pulling all of the time.

The FARC-EP has some amazing idealogies, but as we all know, their movement has turned into a drug cartel. Drugs are their main concern these days. They have started an empire with drugs. If you think about it, they play a major role in the global economy.

I have friends from Ecuador and the states who continue to support the movement, however, they refuse to fight for the FARC due to their tatics. I have not met one person in Colombia (even in rural south colombia) who has said, "I think they are doing a great job for the people".

I would love to support the fight against imperialism in Colombia, but I just cannot. They have become their own empire...and money is now a god.

The thing that makes me dispise the FARC the most is that they are recruting children as young as 9 years old (sometimes even young girls), to be soldiers. They are too small to carry a rifle so they give them a pistol and brainwash them with disseminated information.

I do not know about you guys, but children should not be dying on the battle field for the Cartels.

When drug money, kidnappings, racism (against gringos), and recruits of children are involved and the main concern in a "revolution for the people"; it is time to start over...a clean slate. This war has been going on for more than 45 years and nothing good has come out of it. Just blood shed and a terrible economy in Colombia (higher poverty levels). Ask any Colombian about their opinion of the FARC and the "revolution", they will reply "we are just sick of it all" or "We are used to it".

Not to mention the numerous FARC diserters...there are too many of them.

And I think they should follow the ELN´s example by participating in peace talks. Though I believe these "peace talks" are a waste of time (bullshit), I still think they should go along with it to give them a better public image to the Colombian people. Through the Colombian media, they are seen as heartless killers and drug lords. The FARC needs to do much more to prove this wrong in order to gain more support of the people.

It is sad to say, but I also believe that they truly are not winnig this war.

Sorry for putting down a fellow leftwing revolution. I would fight to the death for the end of imperialism in Colombia. I love this country. But to be honest, I am not even sure if they are truly "de Izquierda" anymore.

However, they have done some good in the Amazon region to help the native peoples (claim their lands, gave them support, education, etc) and have provided thousands of jobs for the homeless in the cocaine industry. And think of what the right wing paramilitares have done. They have carried out significantly more mass murders that the FARC has ever commited (while the military has supported and/or turned a blind eye to the killings).
But overall the FARC has made a big impact on the people of Colombia in a bad way. No one leaves Colombia without a scar.

However, someone made a comment that is very true. Even if one does not agree with the FARC, we should not back or support the Uribe regime.

I am sorry if I offended any die hard FARC supporters...but maybe you can change my views through education ad understanding...not yelling at me o just by saying, "you are wrong, blah blah blah, etc". (so far, living in Colombia has made me like the FARC a lot less and I feel less safe in guerrilla territories).

Abrazos amigos

-a man of no nation

[Guerrilla22]

Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2005, 05:55 AM
I read somewhere that they were listed as a terrorist orginazation by the United States and the EU.
Yeah they made the official terrorist list of both, however I&#39;d like to point out that the Iraqi National Congress and Northern Alliance are also lidted as terrorist orginizations and it seems to me that the US has supported both groups within the last four years, so the US and EU&#39;s list of who is a "terrorist" seems to be subjectable based on policy at the moment.

[metalero]

Originally posted by [email protected] 24 2005, 07:09 PM
It&#39;s propaganda.
Re the drugs and funding. The FARC-EP receives laarge amounts of money through taxes. Taxes on the people who buy the coca leaves off the peasants, taxes off oil companies, taxes off other large corporations that work in the area they control. They don&#39;t receive drug money, and they are opposed to drugs.

The things that grow best in Colombia are discontent, fear, and hope, not coca.
The things that grow best in Colombia are discontent, fear, and hope, not coca.

comrade chebol:

FUCKING QUOTE OF THE YEAR.

[Correa]

Everybody know the good "perico" comes from Peru&#33; :D

[metalero]

I now live in Medellín Colombia, so I hear about the good and bad that these guys are pulling all of the time.

I also live in Colombia


I have not met one person in Colombia (even in rural south colombia) who has said, "I think they are doing a great job for the people".

I&#39;m glad to be the first one then; by the way I&#39;ve met hundreds (only in my city).


I would love to support the fight against imperialism in Colombia, but I just cannot. They have become their own empire...and money is now a god.

where do you get your information about the armed conflict? RCN and CARACOL?Mainstream media is completely biased, all they do is to show the reports created at the military brigades.



The thing that makes me dispise the FARC the most is that they are recruting children as young as 9 years old (sometimes even young girls), to be soldiers. They are too small to carry a rifle so they give them a pistol and brainwash them with disseminated information

read above


When drug money, kidnappings, racism (against gringos), and recruits of children are involved and the main concern in a "revolution for the people"; it is time to start over...a clean slate. This war has been going on for more than 45 years and nothing good has come out of it. Just blood shed and a terrible economy in Colombia (higher poverty levels). Ask any Colombian about their opinion of the FARC and the "revolution", they will reply "we are just sick of it all" or "We are used to it".

you use the same logic Uribe and the bloody colombian oligarchy have historically used to justify the status quo; most colombians live in poverty and extreme misery; they don&#39;t sit around chatting or watching biased news, but rather suffer from the misery that capitalist parasites impose on them, as well as massacres, forced displacements, dissaperances, and tortures. Besides, the war is being fueled by the military american industry (and their local servants) who are making profit and subsequently are interested in keeping plan patriota pouring money into their pockets.


Sorry for putting down a fellow leftwing revolution

Masses, not alienated individuals, are the only capable of doing that.


I am sorry if I offended any die hard FARC supporters...but maybe you can change my views through education ad understanding...not yelling at me o just by saying, "you are wrong, blah blah blah, etc". (so far, living in Colombia has made me like the FARC a lot less and I feel less safe in guerrilla territories).

If you are interested in knowing about this issue, there are plenty threads on it
;Just do a search, also try www.anncol.org. So far living in Colombia has made me conscious about the need for a radical change.