Powells "evidence" apparently plagarized

[truthaddict11]

here is the link, i also find it funny that the CIAs own reports contradict what Bush says
http://www.channel4.com/news/home/z/storie...06/dossier.html (http://www.channel4.com/news/home/z/stories/20030206/dossier.html)

[Larissa]

Hi Thruthadict11, we are already discussing this on topic:
http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/top...m=11&topic=2807 (http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/topic.pl?forum=11&topic=2807)

[Larissa]

Here is a brief initial attempt to evaluate Powell's evidence against Iraq:

http://www.casi.org.uk/discuss/2003/msg00464.html

This was written by Glen Rangwala, who is a lecturer in political science at Cambridge University and co-author of the "counter-dossier" illustrating the feebleness of the Blair dossier issued last autumn.

I would suggest that Powell hand all his evidence over to the weapons inspectors, but I have already seen documentation for how worthless American intelligence proved in the later years of UNSCOM.

Scott Ritter describes one example in his film "In Shifting Sands". The US gave UNSCOM information about a weapons factory out in the desert. When the inspectors got there, they found nothing but foundation trenches. This was not because the Iraqis had managed to remove the whole factory by container to a public square in Copenhagen overnight.

The film provides testimony from another UNSCOM inspector, Roger Hill, who says the following:

"A lot of the information we were given - it was provided to us by the Americans - it was either out-of-date, incorrect or it was completely false and designed to take us down the wrong sort of path ..."

[Larissa]

And also, this reminds me of a comment on a radio talk show yesterday -- if the U.S. had all this evidence, why didn't they give it to the weapons inspectors?

After all, weren't they trying to show that Iraq still had these weapons?

[Larissa]

Please read:
http://www.casi.org.uk/discuss/2003/msg00464.html,

what Coilin offered us yesterday.

One example:

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22. Production of missiles with a range of greater than 1000km.

Powell's claim rests on a view of developments on al-Rafah / Shahiyat liquid propellant engine static test stand. However, these sites have been repeatedly visited by UNMOVIC since the very first day of inspections, 27 November 2002. The relevant excerpt of the UNMOVIC / IAEA report of 21 January 2003 read:

"Another missile team traveled to the Shahiyat Test Facility, about 100 km north of Baghdad, to verify that this site was still abandoned."
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But Powell insisted on Tuesday that the site is actively producing propellant. It's as if I claim you have a wild boar in your closet, and you show everyone the closet _proving_ there is no wild boar, and _then_ I go
to the Security Council insisting on the wild boar's existence in your closet, cheered along by people who will not accept _any_ proof offered by the Iraqi regime (after all, everybody knows Saddam is a bloody dictator,
that, of course, can be proven, so he's not trustworthy).

The analysis of Powell's claims goes on and on, showing clearly that what is demanded (negative proof) is impossible. Many of his 25 claims are proven false, a lot more are proven wildly exaggerated. I especially like
the analysis of the wild "Iraq-Al Qaeda connection":

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Many of the claims are about how an operative of Ansar al-Islam was in Baghdad. Powell need not stop there. The head of Ansar al-Islam, Mullah Krekar (Najm al-Din Faraj) is currently living freely in Norway.

http://newsobserver.com/24hour/world/story...p-5262639c.html (http://newsobserver.com/24hour/world/story/716951p-5262639c.html)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2713749.stm

http://middleeastreference.org.uk/iraqiopp...tion.html#ansar (http://middleeastreference.org.uk/iraqiopposition.html#ansar)

The US has not requested his arrest. If Iraq is guilty of occasional meetings with second-level al-Qa'ida operatives, then what is the Norwegian government guilty of?
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What is really frightening is, of course, that it is impossible to _prove_ that there are no anthrax drying and weaponizing facilities in the cellars of the Ritz hotel in Acapulco. Which places the whole city under double
jeopardy.

And, come to think of it, I can't prove I'm not a Knight Templar.

:wink:

[Archie Victus]

Apparently Saddam's weapons declaration document was also plagurized. Go figure.

[CheViveToday]

RIGHT WING ALERT, RIGHT WING ALERT, RIGHT WING ALERT. Archie, check out http://www.uvm.edu/~ashawley/evolve/religion.html.

[Archie Victus]

CheViveToday, how old are you? Remember, I've been drinking beer and posting at this board while I changed your dirty diaper.

[Uhuru na Umoja]

Quote: from Archie Victus on 8:55 pm on Feb. 8, 2003
CheViveToday, how old are you? Remember, I've been drinking beer and posting at this board while I changed your dirty diaper.

Damn... you must be ambidextrous. I certaintly couldn't manage to do all those things a once.