Countless Che T-shirts, Hats, Lighters, etc...

[Red Menace]

Every now and then I see a person with a Che Shirt on. I know he doesn't know who or what he stood for. Im not sure if i should consider this promoting our cause or promoting coolness. people wear this stuff because they think it is cool to defy those who control them. That very well may be, but actions speak louder than words. am i wrong?

[somebodywhowantedtoleaveandnotcomeback]

You are absolutely right. Few owners of a Che Tshirt know what he stood/stands for. It's a darn shame.

[Cahill]

I absolutley agree. It seems Che has become more of a fashion statement rather than the true Revolutionary figure that he is.

[Red Leader]

I somewhat agree that is image is being capitalized on, and that some people dont know the first thing about him, howver in my oppinion, it could be far worse. its better to wear the face of a revolutionary and show others and make others form opinions and ask questions then not at all, at least it isnt the face of hitler or something. And besides, in this kind of society,think of it as more like using the capitalist machine to destroy it.

[Red Menace]

its makes others think, and it probably does spread our cause. but these guys that mostly wear it are like punks and goths. they will probably not do anything. its merely a cool factor *no offense to goths or punks out there*. there is no point in spreading a cause, if in the end it is an empty cause

[Fidel Follower]

I think that it is great if you buy the T-Shirts and other stuff from the right places, such as Che-Lives.com. This is good because you know that is is spent on a worthy cause (keeping this site up, and so on)

Also make sure you know what he stood for, dont get caught out! :hammer:

[WUOrevolt]

I heard something about the Guevara family coming out against the capitalization of his image.

[ComradeOm]

To be honest I just laugh to myself when a see some rich kid wearing the face of a hardline Marxist-Leninist who had an interest in Maoism :lol:

[Guerrilla22]

Che shirts should come with literature on who Che was and what he stood for.

[Punk Rocker]

its makes others think, and it probably does spread our cause. but these guys that mostly wear it are like punks and goths. they will probably not do anything. its merely a cool factor *no offense to goths or punks out there*. there is no point in spreading a cause, if in the end it is an empty cause

I'm a goth-punk, I wear Che shirts, and I'm a devoted Communist. It's not a cool factor, I'm making a statement.

I do know how you feel though, I've seen some dumbass preppy rich kids wearing Che shirts and it pissed me off because I know they have no idea who he was and what he stands for.

[Rockfan]

It is cool when someone who knows who Che was goes "do you know who that guy is?" and you can tell him stright up and there like "shit it's a commie", I love doing that to teachers.

[Red Menace]

Originally posted by Punk [email protected] 26 2005, 06:09 PM

its makes others think, and it probably does spread our cause. but these guys that mostly wear it are like punks and goths. they will probably not do anything. its merely a cool factor *no offense to goths or punks out there*. there is no point in spreading a cause, if in the end it is an empty cause

I'm a goth-punk, I wear Che shirts, and I'm a devoted Communist. It's not a cool factor, I'm making a statement.

I do know how you feel though, I've seen some dumbass preppy rich kids wearing Che shirts and it pissed me off because I know they have no idea who he was and what he stands for.
i know, im not speaking about all goths/punks. im speaking of my experience. people who i have seen, wear it cause its merely a fashion statement.

[Punk Rocker]

It is cool when someone who knows who Che was goes "do you know who that guy is?" and you can tell him stright up and there like "shit it's a commie", I love doing that to teachers.

Hell yes.

[diamond_rabbit]

there's a funny che tshirt i've seen around toronto... under the che image, it says "i have no idea who this is". i had a good chuckle when i saw somebody wearing this shirt for the first time :lol:

[SanPatricio'sSoul]

you know what, if I can't be 1000% sure that the Che shirt was made with fair labor practices then fuck that shirt. Even if it was I would hope people would know who he was before they rock his image (as opposed to thinking he's Zach De La Rocha)

[Punk Rocker]

you know what, if I can't be 1000% sure that the Che shirt was made with fair labor practices then fuck that shirt. Even if it was I would hope people would know who he was before they rock his image (as opposed to thinking he's Zach De La Rocha)

Actually a lot of people have thought he was Bob Marley.

I'm like yeah, It's a black shirt with Bob Marley wearing a red star beret.

Zack de la Rocha isn't as famous, only rockers know who he is, and then they'd probably be able to tell it's not him.

[Simotix]

I would wear a Che shirt, but it is to worn by others who just try and act like they care. My Axis Of Justice shirt will do for now.



Originally posted by SanPatricio'[email protected] 27 2005, 05:21 AM
Even if it was I would hope people would know who he was before they rock his image (as opposed to thinking he's Zach De La Rocha)
People do not really know who ZDLR is, they know who RATM is.

[Rockfan]

Accually I have discouraged a few people from buying Che gears and that and just by telling them it goes against everything he stood for. Yeah Punk Rocker it's the best feeling when some white coller conservitive walks past and gives you a side ways glance, I don't know why aye, mind you they probly just think your a steet punk and dosen't hav a clue, little do they know............

[Janus]

[QUOTE]I heard something about the Guevara family coming out against the capitalization of his image.

It's true. Che's family and the photographer of the famous Che picture have been trying to prevent the selfish use of Che's image. I think that the use of Che's picture by Smirnoff caused this uproar.

[Punk Rocker]

Yeah Punk Rocker it's the best feeling when some white coller conservitive walks past and gives you a side ways glance, I don't know why aye, mind you they probly just think your a steet punk and dosen't hav a clue, little do they know............

Fuck yeah I love that feeling! I actually have another shirt with Lenin and the hammer and sickle on it too.

[KGB5097]

I'm sure Che appreciates the commericalism that surrounds his image today. I do own a few Che shirts, and wear them occasionaly, but I always keep in mind who he was and what he stood for.

Unlike some people who thought it was just a "cool" shirt....

[SanPatricio'sSoul]

Originally posted by exoity+Nov 27 2005, 05:58 PM--> (exoity @ Nov 27 2005, 05:58 PM) I would wear a Che shirt, but it is to worn by others who just try and act like they care. My Axis Of Justice shirt will do for now.



SanPatricio'[email protected] 27 2005, 05:21 AM
Even if it was I would hope people would know who he was before they rock his image (as opposed to thinking he's Zach De La Rocha)
People do not really know who ZDLR is, they know who RATM is. [/b]
Yeah i'm the same way with my EZLN shirt.

[gewehr_3]

Are there any websites where I could get a leftist T shirt not made in a sweatshop and the proceeds go to a good cause instead of the pocket of a billionaire capitalist pig?

[TheComrade]

I believe words can be AS powerful if not more powerful than action. What brings people under something? What is the most powerful demonstration of control? Propaganda! The American recruitment poster that had a man pointing, saying 'America needs YOU' is better remembered than any military parade - battle or nuclear bomb test...

[Wanted Man]

What's the stupidest fad? People wearing Che T-shirts, or people complaining about this?

[Spartacus]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2005, 03:15 PM
What's the stupidest fad? People wearing Che T-shirts, or people complaining about this?
Um people wearing Che T-shirts and not caring about what he symbolized. We are not complaining, we are just criticizing. If anyone is complaining, you're the only one.

If Che were alive and saw his image being capitalized and made into a pop culture icon, he would definitely not be too happy.

[Red Menace]

Originally posted by Spartacus+Nov 29 2005, 11:33 AM--> (Spartacus @ Nov 29 2005, 11:33 AM)
[email protected] 29 2005, 03:15 PM
What's the stupidest fad? People wearing Che T-shirts, or people complaining about this?
Um people wearing Che T-shirts and not caring about what he symbolized. We are not complaining, we are just criticizing. If anyone is complaining, you're the only one.

If Che were alive and saw his image being capitalized and made into a pop culture icon, he would definitely not be too happy. [/b]
exactly. no one is complaining. we are exercising our right to free speech. its called an opinion and every one is voicing theres. its not necessarily a fad if everyone feels the same way. The mass producing of his image went against everything che believed in. Mass Production, cheap labor, the list goes on.

[ScottishSocialist13]

Its definatily a good thing in my opinion. If it gets one more kid askin his parents who it is, then doing a bit of research about what he stood for, then its a good thing. i just bought a cap from Che-Lives.com. very nice

[Spartacus]

you're right, it could be a good thing because after all, it is highly probable that capitalism will dig itself a grave.

[Marxist]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2005, 06:51 PM
you're right, it could be a good thing because after all, it is highly probable that capitalism will dig itself a grave.
Exactly!

[Le Libérer]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2005, 07:10 AM
Are there any websites where I could get a leftist T shirt not made in a sweatshop and the proceeds go to a good cause instead of the pocket of a billionaire capitalist pig?
You could buy your CHe gear from this site. You know where the money is going and its a good cause.

[DisIllusion]

It pisses me off when anybody wears a shirt that has CCCP or Che on it and they have Hollister-sweatshop jeans on or something underneath it. But then I feel like i'm being too much of an elitist and then I feel all guilty and shit.

[Red Menace]

Im not sure even if the person is wearing a che shirt and they know what he stood for if it still makes it right. in the end it is pure irony. I mean think about it. it went against everything he stood for. Im sure if Che came back alive today and saw his image plastered everywhere with such impunity, he would be appaled.

[RedSabine]

I got a Che shirt for my birthday once... I wore it a bit, but now it's too small. On the sleeve it said "viva la revolution" and people would be like "who's that, bob marly?" And I'd tell them about him and what he stood for. Now, isn't that a service to us all?

[Red Menace]

Originally posted by [email protected] 1 2005, 01:07 AM
I got a Che shirt for my birthday once... I wore it a bit, but now it's too small. On the sleeve it said "viva la revolution" and people would be like "who's that, bob marly?" And I'd tell them about him and what he stood for. Now, isn't that a service to us all?
:D he, your probably better than i would be in that situation. i wouldn't even bother to explain, I'd just call them a retard and then leave

[Red Leader]

exactly. no one is complaining. we are exercising our right to free speech. its called an opinion and every one is voicing theres. its not necessarily a fad if everyone feels the same way. The mass producing of his image went against everything che believed in. Mass Production, cheap labor, the list goes on.

Not everyone feels the same way on the issue, I think thats the whole point of this debate. Honostly, I do think che would be real pissed off at seeing kids wearing his image and not knowing what it means, however i dont think its that big of a deal as some people make it. If someone wants to wear a che t shirt or a CCCP t shirt or a lenin t shirt or a h/s t shirt, whatever. I mean there isn't any convenient way around sweatshop / cheap labour clothes in a capitalist society, so might as well make the best of it, wear something revolutionary instead of the ugly crap that most stores sell. Be your own billboard, make a statement, dont let other brands use you as thier billboard by wearing big nike swooshes or three stripes right across your chest. Personally, i think che would be more appalled by that then by his face on a shirt.

[Ownthink]

Originally posted by [email protected] 1 2005, 02:07 AM
I got a Che shirt for my birthday once... I wore it a bit, but now it's too small. On the sleeve it said "viva la revolution" and people would be like "who's that, bob marly?" And I'd tell them about him and what he stood for. Now, isn't that a service to us all?
For my Che necklace I wear, so far I have gotten:

Jesus (x 4). Fucking sick.
Bob Marley (x3)
God (x1)
Castro (x1) Hey, at least they were close...

[DisIllusion]

Originally posted by Ownthink+Dec 1 2005, 04:02 PM--> (Ownthink @ Dec 1 2005, 04:02 PM)
[email protected] 1 2005, 02:07 AM
I got a Che shirt for my birthday once... I wore it a bit, but now it's too small. On the sleeve it said "viva la revolution" and people would be like "who's that, bob marly?" And I'd tell them about him and what he stood for. Now, isn't that a service to us all?
For my Che necklace I wear, so far I have gotten:

Jesus (x 4). Fucking sick.
Bob Marley (x3)
God (x1)
Castro (x1) Hey, at least they were close... [/b]
HAHAHA. Because God and Jesus totally look like Che. I've been debating whether to get a Che shirt or not, because I don't want to look like another idiot who walks around with a Che shirt just to look like a rebel. Normally I just wear generic brands with no label or anything, just a blank t-shirt and pants from a thrift shop. It's cheap, it's easy, and you don't support sweatshop labor or large corporations.

[gewehr_3]

Yeah everyone knows what that god guy looks like

[Red Menace]

http://landru.i-link-2.net/shnyves/God_makes_Adam.sm.jpeg

eh <_<

[gewehr_3]

Is that Zeus?

[Red Menace]

Originally posted by [email protected] 2 2005, 07:55 PM
Is that Zeus?
lol, no its god interepeted in this famous painting of man reaching out to god
http://landru.i-link-2.net/shnyves/god.adam.jpeg

[carlito]

heh, last post made me chuckle..
its true though, you tend to get annoyed at that sort of thing but after a while. then you get over it.
just think of it as free advertising, the reason i found out about che is because of those t-shirts.

[fpeppett]

If your gonna get one buy it from a small market stall, not froma big commercial store; almost takes the piss of him if your putting some money in the back pocket of some fat cat.

[shamrok16]

before everyone thinks im some far right fascist, read what i have to say. everyone talks about che and loves che and wears shirts with his face on them, well where are those shirts made? you wear shirts with the face of man who fought to help empoverished sweat shop workers in south america, when that very shirt was made by empoverished sweat shop workers in south america and all over the world. the guy who owns the copywrite to the che trademark is a multi milionaire who is sadly making money off dumb kids who buy the che cloths so they feel like they are "questioning authority"

[Clarksist]

You will have almost no people arguing against you.

Trust me.

Recently, Che&#39;s surviving family filed a lawsuit (or some kind of legal charge) to get Che&#39;s face off so many goddamn shirts. I don&#39;t know how that&#39;s going though.

[which doctor]

I&#39;ve considered buying a che shirt, but I decided against it. Of all the things that are on my shirts, I would hate to disgrace the beautiful face of Che. If I ever wore a shirt with his face on it, it would be a home made stencil shirt made by me.

[cormacobear]

Che&#39;s descendants own the rights to Che&#39;s image I believe (a fact he would have dissaproved of), most of his descendants are leftists though. And the more people who wonder who he is are more people who will be exposed to his beleifs. the hits on this site, dedicated to teaching leftists about the honest history of our century, increase with his fame. like it or no it helps spread leftist ideals.

I downloaded che images from this site and made my own shirts on "fair trade" shirts with my printer.

[SanPatricio&#39;sSoul]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2005, 12:22 AM
before everyone thinks im some far right fascist, read what i have to say. everyone talks about che and loves che and wears shirts with his face on them, well where are those shirts made? you wear shirts with the face of man who fought to help empoverished sweat shop workers in south america, when that very shirt was made by empoverished sweat shop workers in south america and all over the world. the guy who owns the copywrite to the che trademark is a multi milionaire who is sadly making money off dumb kids who buy the che cloths so they feel like they are "questioning authority"
I believe that company is Fasion Victim, and their clothing is made in Hondoran sweatshops.

[farleft]

Would you be happier if people had Nike shirts instead?

Or maybe a shirt with the USA flag on it? Nice bit of nationalism?

It&#39;s a fucking shirt&#33; I want to wear shirts, I cant find any shop that sells blank, generic shirts near me, I don&#39;t see anything wrong with having Guevara&#39;s face on it.



FarLeft
:blink:

[Simotix]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2005, 01:29 PM
Would you be happier if people had Nike shirts instead?

Or maybe a shirt with the USA flag on it? Nice bit of nationalism?

It&#39;s a fucking shirt&#33; I want to wear shirts, I cant find any shop that sells blank, generic shirts near me, I don&#39;t see anything wrong with having Guevara&#39;s face on it.



FarLeft
:blink:
It is oxy-moronic though to wear a Che Guevara shirt made in a sweatshop though.

[Knowledge 6 6 6]

it&#39;s therefore oxymoronical to buy a book on Greenpeace.

Be real people - you can&#39;t stop something like it. Without that trademarked face...I bet alotta members here wouldn&#39;t be members, because they would&#39;ve never been exposed to the revolution.

If I didn&#39;t see someone wearing that RATM Che Guevara shirt - I doubt I would&#39;ve bought/read Jon Lee Anderson&#39;s book.

my 2 cents.

[Guerrilla22]

I bought my che shirts from a guy on the side of the road in Guatemala. I agree though, don&#39;t buy che merchandise from mainstream sources. Like the mall.

[Simotix]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2005, 11:19 PM
I bought my che shirts from a guy on the side of the road in Guatemala. I agree though, don&#39;t buy che merchandise from mainstream sources. Like the mall.
Even Journeys sell a Che Guevara shirt. And a shirt that has the communist logo with CCCP written on it.

[Entrails Konfetti]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2005, 11:31 PM
Even Journeys sell a Che Guevara shirt. And a shirt that has the communist logo with CCCP written on it.
I don&#39;t know why they bother making those. They end up throwing those t-shirts out, or they sell them to outlet stores.

CCCP and Che t-shirts will never catch-on with the general public.

If anyone ever buys one of those, they&#39;re usually low-income people, and they bought it 70% off at an outlet store.

[Chavista]

What&#39;s Journeys?

I agree in gereral re: Che shirts though. When my son was young he had some he picked out in Havana, but last year he saw a Che wallet and all he could do was sigh.

[Red Menace]

i agree with you. i think that anyone who owns a che shirt and knows what he stood for is a bigger idiot than one who has no clue what he did. i mean no offense to those of you who own one, im just stating an opinion. like i said before, it is nothing but irony and like one of you mentioned, oxi-moronic to wear one. like you said he fought to abolish the sweatshops in which workers were exploited.

[Entrails Konfetti]

Whats your opinion of CCCP hockey jerzees and other CCCP sport merch?

[Guerrilla22]

CCCP stuff is great, shopping malls selling it is pretty funny though.

[PRskin]

a. che&#39;s face is becoming pop culture. it is cool for 14 year olds to wear his face on their t-shirts.
b. you might not be able to stop it, but that doesn&#39;t mean you have to contribute by buying them.
c. did anyone notice the link at the bottom of the page?

[Entrails Konfetti]

Originally posted by [email protected] 12 2005, 01:13 PM
a. che&#39;s face is becoming pop culture. it is cool for 14 year olds to wear his face on their t-shirts.
b. you might not be able to stop it, but that doesn&#39;t mean you have to contribute by buying them.
c. did anyone notice the link at the bottom of the page?
I&#39;ve never seen a 14 year old wear his face on shirt.

I never see anyone wear his face on a t-shirt unless they are activists, or for an independent determination of Latin America.

Sure companies make all this stuff, but it doesn&#39;t catch on in the mainstream. The closest mainstream thing you&#39;ll ever see is someone trying to mimick his image, like Madonna.

If you walk around stores, I swear you see Che wallets and clocks litterally rotting on the shelves.

[Noah]

PRskin..

a) I agree, many kids wear it because it is &#39;rebellious&#39;
b) I was always &#39;rebellious&#39; and when I first heard his name and rebel, I went out and bought 2 posters of him, that&#39;s what got my interested his picture on bookshop windows and so on. I then read about him and never bought Che merch aftert that.
c) The website gets money if people click on the link, they know the [majority] of leftists won&#39;t buy anything.

[carlito]

I&#39;ve never seen a 14 year old wear his face on shirt.

I never see anyone wear his face on a t-shirt unless they are activists, or for an independent determination of Latin America.

where the hell have you been?&#33;?

[Wanted Man]

What does it matter if people wear his face on their shirts? If someone can name one source that proves that most or all of the Che shirts on the shelves are child labour-made, and that there are alternatives, I&#39;d like to see it. If you see somebody wearing it, just ask them if they know what they&#39;re wearing, and talk about it. I see no problem with wearing one myself, if anything, you&#39;re representing yourself and your ideology.

[Entrails Konfetti]

Originally posted by [email protected] 12 2005, 07:58 PM
What does it matter if people wear his face on their shirts? If someone can name one source that proves that most or all of the Che shirts on the shelves are child labour-made, and that there are alternatives, I&#39;d like to see it. If you see somebody wearing it, just ask them if they know what they&#39;re wearing, and talk about it. I see no problem with wearing one myself, if anything, you&#39;re representing yourself and your ideology.
Everything is usually made in a sweatshop, markers and paints you use to make banners are made is factories.

Everything you eat is from some form of exploitation; even if you grow your own food, where did the seeds come from?

Thats capitalism, theres no way around unless we overthrow it and replace it with socialism.

In my eyes wearing a Che t-shirt represents your views to an extent, but its almost like wearing any other t-shirt. I don&#39;t look down on anyone who knows what Che stood for, and wears his shirt. Might as well wear a Che t-shirt than a plain white one right?

[Noah]

Is there any shop or e-shop that sells leftist clothes and merch, that doesn&#39;t exploit and supports a movement or organisation?

I was looking at this place; ###

[Wanted Man]

Yes, the Che Store/Che-Lives Store (http://store.che-lives.com/t-shirts.php) are the most obvious, I have no idea where they get their stuff from though.

[Noah]

The only thing that worries me are leftists thinking i&#39;m a fool that doesn&#39;t know who Che even is..while I wear the t-shirt.

[Knowledge 6 6 6]

So if we&#39;re going by the text that because Che opposes something, we should oppose it too, then we should stop buying fruits and vegetables from the tropics, as it&#39;s almost most probable that they came from the United Fruit Company. And we all know Che despised the UFC.

Everything you&#39;re wearing right now probably came from a sweatshop...some of you need to stop being &#39;orthodox-Guevaran&#39;, and understand that the phasing out of sweatshops will not happen overnight. It&#39;ll take time. In the meantime, spread the awareness; the more people know, the better resistance against sweatshop labour will be continued and eventually eradicated.

My 2 cents on top of what I said before in this thread.

[Simotix]

Originally posted by [email protected] 14 2005, 07:00 PM
Yes, the Che Store/Che-Lives Store (http://store.che-lives.com/t-shirts.php) are the most obvious, I have no idea where they get their stuff from though.
That is a good thought.

Can anyone (admin or so) comment on where there things are bought?

[Knowledge 6 6 6]

Ok, did ANYBODY read what I&#39;ve posted?

Sheesh.

[Cahill]

Speaking of Che Merchandise, does anyone happen to know where I can find a US Flag with Che&#39;s Face on it?

[Red Leader]

Ok, did ANYBODY read what I&#39;ve posted?

Sheesh.

Dude, i totally agree with you. Honestly, everyone keeps saying "omg dont buy those shirts, dont you know who he was and that he was against sweatshops?"
No shit. So am i but there i no way around it.
Honestly, to all who oppose che memorabilia, take a look at the tags of the shirt/pants/shoes you are wearing now. Chances are it was made somehere overseas in an underdeveloped country. There is no way around it, so why not use the freaking means that capitalism gives you to raise warness against it? And eventually destroy it?

[Knowledge 6 6 6]

Thank goodness for Red Leader. Finally someone understands.

To those that think by wearing Che Guevara&#39;s face on their chest is stupid especially if you know about the man....then prove to me there&#39;s an alternative to buying clothes from sweatshops. And a viable alternative at that. I&#39;m not talking about some internet site, or some underground label no one&#39;s heard about...i&#39;m talking a viable alternative, where anyone can get it. Thought so.

It&#39;s so hypocritical to say one thing, and do the other. So instead of Che&#39;s face, should we plaster Tommy, or Nike, etc? Or should we just get plain Tommy/Nike tees without the logo. This site&#39;s littered with that infamous picture of Che; get used to it. And with all the people that have become aware about him, I think Guevara would like that his message has been so internationally known.

For once, relax. Most people don&#39;t give a shit what you&#39;re wearing anyways (with few outrageous exceptions).

[matiasm]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2005, 12:22 AM
before everyone thinks im some far right fascist, read what i have to say. everyone talks about che and loves che and wears shirts with his face on them, well where are those shirts made? you wear shirts with the face of man who fought to help empoverished sweat shop workers in south america, when that very shirt was made by empoverished sweat shop workers in south america and all over the world. the guy who owns the copywrite to the che trademark is a multi milionaire who is sadly making money off dumb kids who buy the che cloths so they feel like they are "questioning authority"
sorry i would have to disagree, as i know there are workers in south america selling the shirts to make a living and have printed the image them selfs on the shirt, and DO NOT pay the millionare you supposly say. My sourse you might ask?? My friends, im uruguayan :)

but i totally disagree and am fed up with people wearing his shirt for fashion&#33;

[norwegian commie]

the guy who took the che pickture really didnt get shit for it.
Phe picture after the funeral of the people in the boat us blowed up.
Alberto Korda i think. Any ways he lives somewhere in france, his son actualli lives in Norway. They didnt get shit, and people made t shirts at will

[Johnny Serrure]

I own one which my sister bought from some locals in Nacahuazu. It&#39;s what got me interested in Che becuase I thought he looked like my dad. (He really does...)

[norwegian commie]

ha ha ha, thats really cool.

[Red Menace]

Originally posted by norwegian [email protected] 4 2006, 01:40 PM
the guy who took the che pickture really didnt get shit for it.
Phe picture after the funeral of the people in the boat us blowed up.
Alberto Korda i think. Any ways he lives somewhere in france, his son actualli lives in Norway. They didnt get shit, and people made t shirts at will
I believe he has teamed up with the Guevara Family to stop its blatant use of Che&#39;s image

[Rank]

maddox, if anyone reads his famous blog, made a spoof of che&#39;s (now) logo-ish picture, by putting himself as the guy with the beret, but with a patch and some other stuff.

allota prep people at my school also are strting to wear tight che shirts
they dont even know who the fuck he is.


vans has also started a che shoe.


http://froogle.google.com/froogle?btnG=Sea...t=1&lnk=catsugg (http://froogle.google.com/froogle?btnG=Search+Froogle&q=che&lmode=online&cat=1&lnk=catsugg)

[Rank]

also, the Anarchy sign is trademarked for it to be printed on clothes by hot topic/spencer&#39;s gifts.
blue marlin, five star vintage, and other famous sweatclothes producing companies are creating CCCP sweaters.

[Husky42]

Wearing the Che shirt in my opinion is no different then the images that che-lives and this site portray. I do understand that many people wear clothing that promote che without knowing who he is, which is such a shame. Instead of complaining that these people do not know why arent people trying to inform them of the great man they are so willingly portraying to society.

I am still in the air about getting a shirt. I want a shirt. I would love to have a CCCP Hoody tbh.

I think that by having the shirt maybe some are willing enough to open their mind and learn. The only way if they learn is if they are taught. So are you going to badger them and be disgusted by them or are you going to do what che would have done and become a teacher somebody sharing the love for a cause?

I guess in the end its all how you look at it and what you are willing to do.

[Brujo]

Originally posted by [email protected] 23 2005, 05:39 AM
Every now and then I see a person with a Che Shirt on. I know he doesn&#39;t know who or what he stood for. Im not sure if i should consider this promoting our cause or promoting coolness. people wear this stuff because they think it is cool to defy those who control them. That very well may be, but actions speak louder than words. am i wrong?

Hey, it&#39;s a fashionable. What do they know...what do they care...as long as that picture of Che makes them look cool in that T-shirt. Everyone likes to be a clown.

Ultimately, the important thing is someone&#39;s making a pretty decent living by selling the merchandise.

[Comrade J]

It&#39;s important that we don&#39;t automatically assume people don&#39;t know who Che is, just because they are wearing a Che tshirt. For all we know, they could share similiar political values and are simply promoting Che.
Personally, the only Che items I own are a poster at the foot of my bed, which I see every morning, an inspiration for the day, and also a Che badge, which is stuck to my PC monitor.
Always amusing that apparent communists will buy at least 92 useless items from a capitalist organisation of Che&#39;s image. If Che was around, he&#39;d probably despise the images of himself everywhere.

[Brujo]

Mao and Che can be found on all kinds of merchandise, fashion items and accessories. So where are Himmler, Pol Pot, Dzerzhinsky, Beria, Hitler and Stalin?

[AnTi-Right Nation]

what do you guys think about people getten CHE Tattoos ????

[Brujo]

Originally posted by AnTi&#045;Right [email protected] 23 2006, 01:48 AM
what do you guys think about people getten CHE Tattoos ????

Go ahead. Although....did you read what happened to Tyson career ever since he got that Che tattoo?

read:

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2...24/212049.shtml (http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/6/24/212049.shtml)

[Brujo]

These Cubans had many cool headgears, but I think Fidel took the cake during a press conference with Evo Morales two weeks ago. I was channel surfing in my cuban hotel room and came across the live broadcast. Father Fidel was lecturing, fiddling with his microphone, frequently scratching himself like a junky on heroin withdrawal with an incredibly funny bucket on his head.

[Comrade J]

Originally posted by Brujo+Jan 23 2006, 03:21 AM--> (Brujo @ Jan 23 2006, 03:21 AM)
AnTi&#045;Right [email protected] 23 2006, 01:48 AM
what do you guys think about people getten CHE Tattoos ????

Go ahead. Although....did you read what happened to Tyson career ever since he got that Che tattoo?

read:

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2...24/212049.shtml (http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/6/24/212049.shtml) [/b]
That news story is pathetic, a jinxed tattoo :huh:
Plus it says
We blew it by not kidnapping him from the Bolivians in time and using him the way Luddendorff used Lenin in WWI. Recall that the Germans shipped Lenin through their lines into Russia "like a sealed bacillus" (in Churchill&#39;s phrase) to infect the Russian army, to demoralize and incapacitate it, thereby shutting down the Eastern front.

Bullshit. Lenin was sent to take power and RAISE the morale of the people by ending the war&#33; The army were demoralised enough, Lenin helped them out of it.
What a pathetic article, full of utter shit and over presumptive. The guy knows nothing about Che.

[weareyoume]

Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2005, 01:04 AM
It is cool when someone who knows who Che was goes "do you know who that guy is?" and you can tell him stright up and there like "shit it&#39;s a commie", I love doing that to teachers.
hahaha. i love doing that to people. I always ask if there a fellow Communist..... and they always arent :( and they never know who Che is. Asked one of my friends if they knew who Che is, and they thought that Che was in some &#39;rage against the machine&#39; band.

[Comrade J]

Why, isn&#39;t he? :blink:






;) Yep, I know the feeling, though I don&#39;t personally wear Che tshirts. Still, I have nothing against those who do, as long as they know who he is, and both respect and admire him.
Just pisses me off when I see stuff like Che lip cream, and Che lighters etc.
I don&#39;t understand why people who know nothing about him buy all this crap. If they actually disliked him, then surely they wouldn&#39;t buy things with his image on? It&#39;d be like me having a Hitler clock or something.
Clearly the message and background of Che needs some serious, intense promotion. Perhaps some communist leaflets with Che&#39;s image would draw attention, and thus help promote the cause.

[Sentinel]

At least Che used t-shirts.. But can any of you picture Che spraying perfume
on himself? :o

I actually got a Che Guevara Eau de Toilette recently from some collegues that knew
about my political sympathies. They bought it when our ship went to Riga last summer.
Had the guys producing that crap made it smell like Che (after a few months of fighting in the jungle) I seriously doubt it would&#39;ve been a hit.. :lol:

No, Che merchandise is ridiculous. And I doubt he would have liked it. I see the point of those who mean it makes people research on him, but... No. I wouldn&#39;t use any of that.

[Angry Young Man]

Originally posted by [email protected] 23 2005, 05:39 AM
Every now and then I see a person with a Che Shirt on. I know he doesn&#39;t know who or what he stood for. Im not sure if i should consider this promoting our cause or promoting coolness. people wear this stuff because they think it is cool to defy those who control them. That very well may be, but actions speak louder than words. am i wrong?
i have a che tee and i know what his views were. although, granted many dont, but you cant tar everyone with the same brush. i also heard of a tee that said "cliche guevara" lol :lol:

[Angry Young Man]

Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2005, 01:04 AM
It is cool when someone who knows who Che was goes "do you know who that guy is?" and you can tell him stright up and there like "shit it&#39;s a commie", I love doing that to teachers.
lol. :lol: i wore my che-t at college and somebody said he murdered 12 year old boys. i put him right by saying the only people he killed were fascists, and they dont count&#33; in the process i converted someone to marxism&#33; :P

[somebodywhowantedtoleaveandnotcomeback]

Originally posted by Brujo+Jan 23 2006, 04:21 AM--> (Brujo @ Jan 23 2006, 04:21 AM)
AnTi&#045;Right [email protected] 23 2006, 01:48 AM
what do you guys think about people getten CHE Tattoos ????

Go ahead. Although....did you read what happened to Tyson career ever since he got that Che tattoo?

read:

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2...24/212049.shtml (http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/6/24/212049.shtml) [/b]



Tyson was jinxed by that Che tattoo. There&#39;s no other explanation. Somebody should have enlightened mighty Mike about the real Che Guevara.
Che was hell on smiting his enemies, all right – thousands of them – but only when they were bound, gagged and blindfolded. I&#39;m afraid the Boxing Federation doesn&#39;t allow that. In anything like a fair fight Che was consistently routed, stomped and humiliated.

It&#39;s nonsense, you didn&#39;t seriously believe that did you? :huh:

[which doctor]

I saw a prep at my school wearing a CCCP track jacket today. I wanted to punch his lights out.

[razboz]

I think whats happenned is that the capitalists have taken over these images and symbols (the red star, thos CCCP trcksuits, Che&#39;s picture) And are using them againstt he revolution by making them into consumer items, products to be sold and bought and are thus nnutralising any true sense that the revolution might still have diluting it into the the mass media and consumerism. Also i think they are using it to quench todays youth for revolt, and thus render it revolutionarily impotent. Thats what i think anyway.

[comradesteele]

anyone who looks that damm cool is bound to be put on a t shirt. hey i feel all guitly now i bought 2 che posters today (popart stlye one , and him with a cigar).

[Sugar Hill Kevis]

I saw the worst Che merch the other day

It was a patch designed to look like a bank note, it had Che&#39;s face where there&#39;s normally like Thomas Jefferson of the Queen of England or whatever and it said &#39;tres pesos&#39;

Bah

[Disciple of Prometheus]

Originally posted by [email protected] 23 2005, 05:29 AM
Every now and then I see a person with a Che Shirt on. I know he doesn&#39;t know who or what he stood for. Im not sure if i should consider this promoting our cause or promoting coolness. people wear this stuff because they think it is cool to defy those who control them. That very well may be, but actions speak louder than words. am i wrong?
I totally agree, I could rant for hours about this, because it seems that anything that has Che&#39;s face slapped to it, is instantly "cool," and rebellious," and I dare say that 2/3rds of the people that buy, own, and wear Che&#39; shirts don&#39;t even know, who he was, and what he stood for. I have even asked some girl at a mall on time, did she know how Che&#39; was, and I also asked if she was a revolutionary, and or a Marxist? And she had no clue what any of those terms meant. I also would go so far as to say, that Che&#39; would be against this kind of marketization of his name and face.

[Jesus Christ!]

I have a che shirt that is made froma stencil tha my bro made.

[OneBrickOneVoice]

I got a che poster that&#39;s all. I&#39;m gonna try to make a stencil because that&#39;s sounds like a good idea.

[Huelguista]

Its definatily a good thing in my opinion. If it gets one more kid askin his parents who it is, then doing a bit of research about what he stood for, then its a good thing. i just bought a cap from Che-Lives.com. very nice

The younger we can spread truth, the better.

My opionion is like that of Red Leader and Knowledge 6 6 6. There really isnt a way around it...there arent any well-known web sites that dont trace back to some Nicaraguan sweatshop...sometimes its even hard to know that the "right" websites aren&#39;t contributing to the cappies. I own a Che Shirt personally (wearing it right now as a matter of fact) and people say "oh is that a RATM shirt" or "Who is that, like Bob Marley?" Sure it gets tiring telling people over and over...but i just like to see peoples reactions...hehe :D

[Fistful of Steel]

I have a Rage Against the Machine shirt with Che on it, and I have two really artistic photographs in black and white of Che (no, not the famous one) that my ex-girlfriend brought me back from Cuba. I&#39;m really proud of the two photos.

[Red Rebel]

I got a couple of che shirts.

[Comrade Yev]

Theres a store in a mall near me that has the most ridiculous shirt with Che on it I&#39;ve ever seen. On the top it said "Rich Life". Then under that, it had the famous picture of Che. Then under that it said "Rebel Culture". If I ever see anyone wearing that...

[FinnMacCool]

Originally posted by Comrade [email protected] 23 2006, 11:34 AM
Theres a store in a mall near me that has the most ridiculous shirt with Che on it I&#39;ve ever seen. On the top it said "Rich Life". Then under that, it had the famous picture of Che. Then under that it said "Rebel Culture". If I ever see anyone wearing that...
That is just sad.

[Comrade Yev]

Originally posted by FinnMacCool+May 25 2006, 04:49 PM--> (FinnMacCool @ May 25 2006, 04:49 PM)
Comrade [email protected] 23 2006, 11:34 AM
Theres a store in a mall near me that has the most ridiculous shirt with Che on it I&#39;ve ever seen. On the top it said "Rich Life". Then under that, it had the famous picture of Che. Then under that it said "Rebel Culture". If I ever see anyone wearing that...
That is just sad. [/b]
I think there were green dollar signs around it too. Frankly, I was disgusted.

[Americancommi]

http://www.cubaconnect.co.uk/index.asp
I found this site which appears to sell good that actually came from cuba. It seems like buying a Che shirt from Cuba would be the best bet to not help out any giant cappitalist businesses. What do u guys think.

edit- nevermind that link, they use fruit of the loom shirts(which are notorious for sweatshop labor) so instead I found this site http://proletarianthreads.com/tshirts/t128.html
which uses American apparel shirts which are sweatshop free. It may still support cappitalism but at least not sweatshop labor.

[Raj Radical]

I own a Che shirt, but why would someone want a CCCP shirt?

(unless your into that vanguard or stalin thing :blush: )

[Red Menace]

I think in the end, I think it would be a dishonor to buy any merchandise with Che&#39;s face on it. I try to think, what he would want. He didn&#39;t want to be immortalized through useless capitalistic crap. He would turn over in his grave. After all, thats what he fought so hard to end.

[Bachelorguitar]

i think that people who are wearing them should be asked wat he meant to the world you know. Its ok to wear it if you know about him and what he did.

[Red Menace]

Originally posted by [email protected] 15 2006, 06:20 PM
i think that people who are wearing them should be asked wat he meant to the world you know. Its ok to wear it if you know about him and what he did.
well, if you do decide to buy something, make sure its made in America. Not some sweatshop in Taiwan, or China.

[Rollo]

Why America? Then there is a huge chance that it&#39;s made by capitalists.

[T Man]

I once saw in this store that has all these wacky things, you know like those metal balls that bounce off eachother and those maze things you turn upside down and all the sand/goo travels down it? Maybe not, but anyway, I saw a product called "Che&#39;s Revolutionary Lip Balm". Made me sick to my stomach.

[Red Menace]

Originally posted by [email protected] 15 2006, 11:09 PM
Why America? Then there is a huge chance that it&#39;s made by capitalists.
Well, I figure theres a better chance of it not being made in a sweatshop, where the workers are paid &#036;2 an hour.

[Rollo]

Don&#39;t buy Che items in general would be the best thing to do. Pick up a shirt from a charity shop or something similiar and DIY.

[Red Menace]

^ agreed

[Okocim]

Originally posted by Raj [email protected] 6 2006, 02:18 AM
I own a Che shirt, but why would someone want a CCCP shirt?

(unless your into that vanguard or stalin thing :blush: )
I have a CCCP shirt - but I made it myself. None of this buying slave labour crap. :D


I don&#39;t own any Che stuff though; on one hand I doubt he would have wanted it and on the other it&#39;s mainly middle class idiots with no idea who he is, or what he did, who wear them here.

[Switchblade]

Looks like ya fellow comrades are looking sport some cool Che-ware

Well look no further&#33; This is the site for you&#33;&#33; =D

http://che-mart.com/store.php

Che-Mart has all kinds of merchandise so you can show the world that you are a wannabe psudo revolutionary&#33;
Sizes are available to Men, Women, and Children&#33;

Che products and t-shirts have been sold world-wide to commie supporters since 1967&#33; With well over 2 million t-shirts sold over the last 40 years, Che is sure to be a fasion trend that will never die&#33;

Rich parents cramping your style?
Buy a Che T-shirt&#33;

After all, Che products have been made and sold by capitalists since they were first on the market

[Labor Shall Rule]

Originally posted by Raj [email protected] 6 2006, 02:18 AM
I own a Che shirt, but why would someone want a CCCP shirt?

(unless your into that vanguard or stalin thing :blush: )
Why would you not own a Che shirt unless you are into that "vangaurd or stalin thing"? He disliked the Soviet Union just because Khrushchev decided to rid his country of the myth of Stalin. In his youth years, he wrote about his obsession with that man. He was a self-proclaimed "Stalinist".

[Rollo]

Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2006, 03:45 PM
Looks like ya fellow comrades are looking sport some cool Che-ware

Well look no further&#33; This is the site for you&#33;&#33; =D

http://che-mart.com/store.php

Che-Mart has all kinds of merchandise so you can show the world that you are a wannabe psudo revolutionary&#33;
Sizes are available to Men, Women, and Children&#33;

Che products and t-shirts have been sold world-wide to commie supporters since 1967&#33; With well over 2 million t-shirts sold over the last 40 years, Che is sure to be a fasion trend that will never die&#33;

Rich parents cramping your style?
Buy a Che T-shirt&#33;

After all, Che products have been made and sold by capitalists since they were first on the market
Can you read?

[I&#39;m in.]

Originally posted by [email protected] 16 2006, 04:21 AM
well, if you do decide to buy something, make sure its made in America. Not some sweatshop in Taiwan, or China.
I really don&#39;t think buying a t-shirt is going to compromise our goals. One fucking t-shirt is nothing. If you are worried about supporting capitalism, then you shouldn&#39;t have bought a computer&#33; We should get past this BS, because it doesn&#39;t matter. Let them take our revolutionaries and turn their portraits into profit. It helps us expose ignorance to every individual we see that wears one.

Who gives a damn about a &#036;15 t-shirt when there are such bigger problems to spend our energy on.

By the way, my uncle in Germany wears a Che t-shirt every day (probably made in China&#33;). I&#39;ve never seen him without it. He and his wife go to Cuba three times a year and buy homes and basic necessities(furniture, etc.) for the poorest families they meet. If a guy with a good heart like him is wearing the t-shirt, then I&#39;m all for it.

[Comrade Kurtz]

I got my Che t-shirt from a friend who bought it in China (CINO; Communist In Name Only, but still). Since I didn&#39;t pay a cent for it and it was bought from a Chinese company, should I wear it with a clean conscience?

[Red Rebel]

should I wear it with a clean conscience?

I have no problem with people who wear Che&#39;s shirts and all as long as they know who he was and what his beliefs were. I just can&#39;t stand people who wear a Che shirt only because he was a rebel.

[Red Menace]

Originally posted by I&#39;m in.+Aug 31 2006, 07:47 PM--> (I&#39;m in. @ Aug 31 2006, 07:47 PM)
[email protected] 16 2006, 04:21 AM
well, if you do decide to buy something, make sure its made in America. Not some sweatshop in Taiwan, or China.
I really don&#39;t think buying a t-shirt is going to compromise our goals. One fucking t-shirt is nothing. If you are worried about supporting capitalism, then you shouldn&#39;t have bought a computer&#33; We should get past this BS, because it doesn&#39;t matter. Let them take our revolutionaries and turn their portraits into profit. It helps us expose ignorance to every individual we see that wears one.

Who gives a damn about a &#036;15 t-shirt when there are such bigger problems to spend our energy on.

By the way, my uncle in Germany wears a Che t-shirt every day (probably made in China&#33;). I&#39;ve never seen him without it. He and his wife go to Cuba three times a year and buy homes and basic necessities(furniture, etc.) for the poorest families they meet. If a guy with a good heart like him is wearing the t-shirt, then I&#39;m all for it. [/b]
but thats not the point. it isn&#39;t that it supports capitalism, but that it is an oxymoron in itself. Che would not want his image plastered on the thing he fought so hard to end. sure if you wanna go parading his face around saying "yeah, I&#39;m a communist, yeah so what? I&#39;ll fuck you up" then go ahead. but im proposing that you think when you do this kind of stuff, what would che do? W.W.C.D catchy aint it?

[Lenin's Law]

, I do think che would be real pissed off at seeing kids wearing his image and not knowing what it means, however i dont think its that big of a deal as some people make it. If someone wants to wear a che t shirt or a CCCP t shirt or a lenin t shirt or a h/s t shirt, whatever. I mean there isn&#39;t any convenient way around sweatshop / cheap labour clothes in a capitalist society, so might as well make the best of it, wear something revolutionary instead of the ugly crap that most stores sell. Be your own billboard, make a statement, dont let other brands use you as thier billboard by wearing big nike swooshes or three stripes right across your chest. Personally, i think che would be more appalled by that then by his face on a shirt.

(bold and underline added)

EXACTLY Comrade&#33;

You finally say what I&#39;ve been thinking about this for so long&#33;

I got my first Che shirt in Cuba (the other was given as a gift by a family member that I hardly ever wear) And yes it annoys me when people who wear his shirt don&#39;t have the slightest idea who he is but think about it - would you rather see someone wear a shirt that has some coporate logo of Nike, Microsoft, some fast foo chain, some clothing multinational etc or one of a serious revolutionary which MIGHT foster some kind of dialogue with people interested in who he is or POSSIBLY raise some consciousness

If the choice was between wearing a Che shirt and wearing clothing made from liberated, socialist workers then yes I&#39;d agree with you BUT we live in a corporatist/capitalist society; therefore this is not the choice.

The choice is if we want to be an advertisement from some slave-labor multinational corporation or wear the face of a serious and great communist revolutionary.

Given these real world choices, I think we all know where Che and every serious revolutionary would stand. It&#39;s a shame that some people here get more upset at a few people wearing a Che shirt than the whole masses of people wearing corporate propaganda and becoming free advertisements for capitalism.

[Rage Against Right]

Look im a youger person and i never liked the ideas behind capitalism and i knew a bit about communism and liked what i knew but i didnt know all that much. Then i saw the motorcycle diaries about Ernesto(Che) Guervara and it made me become more interested in the subject i started reading up on the life of che and communism and so on, and then one day my dad came home with a che tshirt and i was pretty grateful because i know alot of people who wear it and dont know what it means, i wear it with pride and to make a statement against the capitalist world. SO i think their a some people out there who know who he is but only a minority.

[yns_mr]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2005, 04:40 AM
I&#39;m sure Che appreciates the commericalism that surrounds his image today. I do own a few Che shirts, and wear them occasionaly, but I always keep in mind who he was and what he stood for.

Unlike some people who thought it was just a "cool" shirt....
there is no problem if you dont forget who he was while carrying those shirts on you but there are a lot of capitalist bull-shits who earn money by selling Che&#39;s "cool" face

[Rollo]

I own around 5 che shirts, does that make me a capitalist supporter? No, I made them myself. The shirts were at a charity type store.

[Dominicana_1965]

I currently own 3. and one shirt of Francisco Caamaño(although he was a reformist i respect him for taking up arms)
I rock it because i seriously do like representin for el comandante,
Im even thinking of getting a Che shirt and putting "I know who this is,do you?" with a permanent marker in big letters.
Yes the Capitalist are making bread of this,but like someone else said they just digging their own grave.

[The Beat]

Originally posted by yns_mr+October 13, 2006 10:21 am--> (yns_mr @ October 13, 2006 10:21 am)
[email protected] 28 2005, 04:40 AM
I&#39;m sure Che appreciates the commericalism that surrounds his image today. I do own a few Che shirts, and wear them occasionaly, but I always keep in mind who he was and what he stood for.

Unlike some people who thought it was just a "cool" shirt....
there is no problem if you dont forget who he was while carrying those shirts on you but there are a lot of capitalist bull-shits who earn money by selling Che&#39;s "cool" face [/b]
Che is one of my heros. When I visited Spain with my son in 2003, I found a T-shirt with Che&#39;s image on it. I purchased it and wore it the rest of the trip there. In 2005, I was in Geneva, Switzerland, and happened to have been wearing it while eating at a restaurant with an old friend. About four people came by and personally remarked that he was a great person while pointing at my T-shirt.

I wear it on rare occasions here in the US. In Orange County, California, one doesn&#39;t want to stir the natives too much.

[Red Menace]

I guess my views have changed on the subject a bit, as my knowledge has grown on communist theory, etc...

I believe it is allright to wear a Che shirt, regardless of where you have recieved it from, however the smaller the outlet, the better. A small family owned store would be favorable over something such as American Eagle or Ambercrombie *don&#39;t know if they would sell Che shirts*. I still believe it is important to know and understand what the man fought for. If you don&#39;t, you make yourself and us ignorant.

[marian]

doesn&#39;t anyone think it&#39;s rather strange that you go walking around with the image of a murderer on your chest? even if he had good ideas.

[Janus]

doesn&#39;t anyone think it&#39;s rather strange that you go walking around with the image of a murderer on your chest?
Murderer? The executions which Che oversaw weren&#39;t "illegal", they were ordered by popular tribunals.

[Comrade_Scott]

surprisingly i think its a good thing. hell thats how i first got my first bit of exposure to communism.... i bought the shirt cause it looked cool and my mom told me about him did some reading and BAM i became attached to communism. what i dont belive in however is the selling of the picture and shirt cause it will make a nice profit... damn cappies

[Pirate Utopian]

i dont know if this idea has been said before but what if people sell Guevara stuff with one of his books?

[Honggweilo]

Thats what we do :D

[Lings]

I never ever wear che shirts. He&#39;s to pretty. It makes me look ugly in comparison.

[marian]

Originally posted by [email protected] 08, 2006 12:22 am
surprisingly i think its a good thing. hell thats how i first got my first bit of exposure to communism.... i bought the shirt cause it looked cool and my mom told me about him did some reading and BAM i became attached to communism. what i dont belive in however is the selling of the picture and shirt cause it will make a nice profit... damn cappies
maybe, but he&#39;s still a murderer. why support a murderer? i say there should be shirts of Ghandi, he had ideals and he fought for them without violence.

are you a communist? why?

[Red Menace]

Originally posted by marian+December 17, 2006 03:45 am--> (marian @ December 17, 2006 03:45 am)
[email protected] 08, 2006 12:22 am
surprisingly i think its a good thing. hell thats how i first got my first bit of exposure to communism.... i bought the shirt cause it looked cool and my mom told me about him did some reading and BAM i became attached to communism. what i dont belive in however is the selling of the picture and shirt cause it will make a nice profit... damn cappies
maybe, but he&#39;s still a murderer. why support a murderer? i say there should be shirts of Ghandi, he had ideals and he fought for them without violence.

are you a communist? why? [/b]
You see people with support the troops bumper stickers on their cars, same concept. Che ordered the executions of murderers, rapists, traiters, etc.....
he didn&#39;t shoot people for the hell of it, get your story straight.

You see how much change you affect with Ghandi&#39;s methods.

[cafe]

I know who Che Guevara was and i wear a t-shirt because i like he, not for coolness.But it´s true , is a very popular fashion statement.

[Red Tomato]

I think only a true communist would want to know what he stands for, and the people who wear a Che t-shirt just to make a fashion statement are dumb because they most likely dont even know who/what he was. if they were a true communist the would know.

[bgirlskttlez]

I wear the same Che shirt almost every day that i bought in Cuba. Random people ask me who he is all of the time. In some ways, the shirt is a good tool to spread awareness to people that had no clue. So many Che discussions have been raised because of this shirt. People come out of it more educated. I agree that i would rather see someone wear a Che shirt that a Sean Jean or something. But the people that wear it and have no clue who he is are truely annoying.

[Red Menace]

People wear Che shirts, either because they are trying to make some pseudo rebel statement, or merely for fashion. but an educated person would know if you wear a che shirt, that it makes you look like a communist, or a communist sympathizer. This sends mixed messages on both sides, because the one wearing is most likely not a communist, much less know what communism means. That is why I probably won&#39;t support wearing one.

[La Comédie Noire]

Many people I have seen with the shirts I have asked them what they know about Che Guevara and while most of them don&#39;t know much. they do show an eagerness to learn about Che and socialism/communism in general. Just yesterday I pointed a friend to Marxist.org because he said he loved the Che books he was reading and wanted to know more about the theory/philosophy behind the man.
I don&#39;t mind if people wear the shirts and don&#39;t know anything about him, not much we can do to stop that anyways. I mean unless you really want to go around ripping shirts off of people for "disgracing" an image. That would just be stupid and reactionary.
I do like the idea of educating people and passing along books.

[Red Menace]

Originally posted by Comrade [email protected] 10, 2007 12:44 am
Many people I have seen with the shirts I have asked them what they know about Che Guevara and while most of them don&#39;t know much. they do show an eagerness to learn about Che and socialism/communism in general. Just yesterday I pointed a friend to Marxist.org because he said he loved the Che books he was reading and wanted to know more about the theory/philosophy behind the man.
I don&#39;t mind if people wear the shirts and don&#39;t know anything about him, not much we can do to stop that anyways. I mean unless you really want to go around ripping shirts off of people for "disgracing" an image. That would just be stupid and reactionary.
I do like the idea of educating people and passing along books.
I think you bring up a good point comrade. Not much we can do to stop then, to do so would be facist and like you said reactionary. but what we can do is educate people on the subject.

[Sittler]

Hey there, just to let you know I sell some Che merchandise and to be honest about 40% don&#39;t have a clue who he is, moslty the young people though, the older ones know and buy to show thier support. Some of the young people know however, like you guys but ya its sad and true some see the image and just buy the shirts or hats because its coolor trendy...
At least they are keeping it alive though, even if they don&#39;t know they are&#33;&#33;&#33;

[Red_Snapper]

I think it would be a good idea if those who wore Che shirts not only informed others who ask about him, but possibly carry some sort of pamphlet or even just a card with a few facts and links to point them in the right direction. If someone passes by and asks about your shirt, the possibility of them actually going home and doing some research is there, but its a slim chance in a world where people care more about paris hilton than remembering what some stranger said. I know that if i&#39;m given some kind of information to hang onto I might not look into it right away, but at least I have it as a reminder when I get around to reading it.

[foreverfaded]

i was playing a game, online, and this one guys name was "Che". So i asked him why he named himself that. He said it was after Che Guevara. He didnt believe in what che was for, but he showed his support for him because of what he did and that he was willing to fight for what he believed in. I agree that when people see his face on a t-shirt or other merchandise, they will probably ask who he is. Which will open up a lot of conversation or you can direct him/her to a website about che.

[spanishkev]

I have&#39;nt read the whole thread but I first noticed Che because of these pictures and a Rage against the machine t-shirt. But if it wasn&#39;t for that I wouldn&#39;t have read his biography or his diarys so if only one person in 100 does this and is inspired by him then all the posters and t-shirts are doing some good even if somebody is making money out of his name and image

[Vicarious]

Capitalism at work

[Kropotkin Has a Posse]

I&#39;ve already confronted one Che shirtist and asked him what kind of communist he was (listing about 20 varieties, don&#39;t you know) and I think I&#39;ll make it my mission to do so with all of them.

Then I&#39;ll point out the ironies of this particular brand of reification.

[Vahanian]

I grew up knowing who che was and i find it funny in when i wear the shirt and people ask "is that the dude who led cuba for a long time" i laugh tell him who it really is then leave

[Nakidana]

I really don't think buying a t-shirt is going to compromise our goals. One fucking t-shirt is nothing. If you are worried about supporting capitalism, then you shouldn't have bought a computer! We should get past this BS, because it doesn't matter. Let them take our revolutionaries and turn their portraits into profit. It helps us expose ignorance to every individual we see that wears one.

Who gives a damn about a $15 t-shirt when there are such bigger problems to spend our energy on.

By the way, my uncle in Germany wears a Che t-shirt every day (probably made in China!). I've never seen him without it. He and his wife go to Cuba three times a year and buy homes and basic necessities(furniture, etc.) for the poorest families they meet. If a guy with a good heart like him is wearing the t-shirt, then I'm all for it.

Yeah I agree. Personally I haven't got, and probably never will get, a Che T-shirt mainly because I see it as a kind of idolatry. Instead I prefer to wear symbols such as a red star.

That said, it's not like I despise people walking around with Che's face. If that's what makes you tick then by all means go ahead. In fact I couldn't care less how you dress, I'm more interested in how you act. ;)

[Comrade B]

Fuck yeah I love that feeling! I actually have another shirt with Lenin and the hammer and sickle on it too.
Hehe, I got a Che shirt waaay back and a freind of mine that lives in China sent me two Mao shirts, and a Marx shirt, pretty funny shit, watching neo-con's looks

On the serious side of this though, what I do to the guys that don't know what it stands for, I just continually advertise communism to them until they read about it, or stop wearing the shirt, hehe

[Lost In Translation]

I, personally, don't really like to become a shining beacon of "I'm a communist, if you don't like it, beat me up!" I find that a che t-shirt is a bit provocative. However, I do put up communist desktop wallpapers all the time, and a lot of people don't know what it means at all. Makes me somewhat angry that they're so ignorant, but it also allows me to teach them, and convert them :D

[communard resolution]

Members of 'underground' subcultures usually get very upset when their 'movements' get 'sold out': "Ooooh, our identikit is getting commercialized! Now everybody can wear a Ramones t-shirt and sport a mohican".

We shouldn't think the same way about symbols of the revolutionary left. We are not underground elitists whose aim it is to make ourselves feel better than 'common' people. If the fact that a bunch of fashion victims wear signifiers of a particular movement means the death of that movement, then there probably wasn't that much substance to it in the first place and it deserves to be "sold out".

But communism is not a superficial means to make yourself feel special. The 80s have seen the first wave of Soviet chic in the West. Suddenly everybody was wearing the hammer and the sickle without 'meaning it'. So what? It didn't affect the revolutionary left in the slightest. The fad came, the fad went, the left didn't care.

I say: nothing to get excited over. And if the omnipresence of Che's image inspires even one or two kids to go and find out about his politics, that's a success for us.

[Holden Caulfield]

yeah Che images got many of us, myself included, into politics and so it isnt really a bad thing, remind me of a not to relevant Joe 'killjoy' Stalin quote

"when we hang the capitalists they will sell us the rope"

[Harrycombs]

Earlier today, while on facebook, I saw an ad for a shirt of Che, except that it was edited so that his face was an apes. :mad: These people most have no respect for him at all.

[BIG BROTHER]

Earlier today, while on facebook, I saw an ad for a shirt of Che, except that it was edited so that his face was an apes. :mad: These people most have no respect for him at all.

in an episode of american dad, the son of the guy in the cartoon became a commie and had a che poster. the dad thought it was a monkey poster, fucke bastards too!

[Harrycombs]

I just watched the episode. Thats pathetic.

[hekmatista]

I'm still waiting to meet anyone here (Reno) wearing one. I wear mine occasionally, though I prefer my Debs, Connolly, Brecht, Sartre, Eintein, Marx, Lenin, Neruda, revleft.com (with the red flag), IWW, etc. The idea is to start conversations with strangers and friends. That most are uninformed or misinformed is a given. Our task is to use every "learning opportunity" to help the rest progress. As a fifty five year old longhaired biker, some of the comment I get is pretty funny.

[Harrycombs]

I wear mine occasionally, though I prefer my Debs,

There are Debs t-shirts? O.o

[hekmatista]

Yeah, at http://www.radicaljack.com/euvdet.html
Since I ride everywhere I go, I need a lot of t-shirts; they may as well say something besides "Harley."

[MAVA]

I'm still waiting to meet anyone here (Reno) wearing one. I wear mine occasionally, though I prefer my Debs, Connolly, Brecht, Sartre, Eintein, Marx, Lenin, Neruda, revleft.com (with the red flag), IWW, etc. The idea is to start conversations with strangers and friends. That most are uninformed or misinformed is a given. Our task is to use every "learning opportunity" to help the rest progress. As a fifty five year old longhaired biker, some of the comment I get is pretty funny.
just moved to reno

[Random Precision]

I have this Che t-shirt:

http://store.theonion.com/our-dumb-world-tee-che-p-172.html

[Holden Caulfield]

I have this Che t-shirt:

http://store.theonion.com/our-dumb-world-tee-che-p-172.html

how very post-modern

[Dóchas]

its kinda sad and ironic that in death che guevara is engulfed in the capitalist culture that he spent his whole life fighting

[gerny]

Che would have abhorred the use of his image in such an exploitive and consumerist manner as is currently seen in the T-shirts, hats, etc. that many wear as a mere fashion statement.

This being said, I don't know if he would have had a favorable opinion of those who have expropriated his image in order to further Marxist causes that he was supportive of. Che was averse to the idea of a cult of personality forming around him even within his own lifetime.

[BIG BROTHER]

I think that if its at least to spread Marxism and for propaganda purposes he would have understood, or at least he wouldn't be as pissed as he would be when people sell his stuff just for profit and people wear his face without knowing who he was.

[BIG BROTHER]

BTW at least the guy who took his picture...I think his name is Alberto or something like that(too lazy to google it) did it with the intention of using the picture for revolutionary purposes.

[CHEtheLIBERATOR]

It depends it may be promoting him.But is also fighting for yankee capitalism that che fought against I have mixed feelings

[h9socialist]

With due respect to all sides on this question -- I find it much more hopeful to see a young person displaying Che rather than Rush Limbaugh or Sarah Palin. I agree that Che was far too committed to socialism to ever embrace a personality cult built around himself. However, wearing a Che T-shirt often times does express a radical point of view. We socialists have a right to honor and espouse th ideas of our martyrs and key historical figures. I have a number of Che items purchased at the Che Store and Radical Jack -- it's a radical political statement that I like to make, and it still jolts some diehards Republicans and bourgeois libertarians. Good! Besides, if we're going to start complaining about capitalists making money off of socialism, we'd probably have to recall the Communist Manifesto and Das Kapital. Maybe a t-shirt will inspire the reading of Man and Socialism in Cuba or Guerrilla Warfare or Reminiscences on the Cuban Revolution. It is possible to hope.

[Manifesto]

in an episode of american dad, the son of the guy in the cartoon became a commie and had a che poster. the dad thought it was a monkey poster, fucke bastards too!
This is the episode for people who did not see it. http://www.american-dad-episodes.net/episode-13/red-october-sky-video_b2b757fac.html. Another episode of that show the dad gives wife one of those baby things with a picture of Che on it and she calls Che a murderer.

[Misanthrope]

A kid at my school wears a Che shirt and an Obama shirt. God save the children.

[Radical]

I wear Che Shirts. Although I dont buy them from Mainstream Exploiting Stores such as "Primark".

http://www.thechestore.com Seems to be a good place to buy from.

[RedRise]

Where do you get all these cool shirts? I guess there hard to come by in Australia.:(
I was thinking about making my own or something, with my own slogans. Any suggestions?

[The Ben G]

I got a hammer and sickle backpatch. cant wait to sew it on my jacket and walk around my school.

[RotStern]

I got a hammer and sickle backpatch. cant wait to sew it on my jacket and walk around my school.


Awesome!!!!
Im going to try and fine one online maybe.

[the last donut of the night]

With due respect to all sides on this question -- I find it much more hopeful to see a young person displaying Che rather than Rush Limbaugh or Sarah Palin. I agree that Che was far too committed to socialism to ever embrace a personality cult built around himself. However, wearing a Che T-shirt often times does express a radical point of view. We socialists have a right to honor and espouse th ideas of our martyrs and key historical figures. I have a number of Che items purchased at the Che Store and Radical Jack -- it's a radical political statement that I like to make, and it still jolts some diehards Republicans and bourgeois libertarians. Good! Besides, if we're going to start complaining about capitalists making money off of socialism, we'd probably have to recall the Communist Manifesto and Das Kapital. Maybe a t-shirt will inspire the reading of Man and Socialism in Cuba or Guerrilla Warfare or Reminiscences on the Cuban Revolution. It is possible to hope.

Your tendency is Democratic Socialists of America. Thus why above post is complete bull.

[ComradeMan]

I own a Che T-shirt, have an anniversary watch (made in China) but have also read his books and his own private anthology. I know what you mean, there's a kind of "Student Chic" that promotes El Che as nothing more than a fashion icon. But there again, how many people wear crosses and know little about Jesus (the real Jesus!!!) and so on. How many neo-nazis have read Mein Kampf... if they can read books that is! :)

If you become a symbol then it is inevitable. El Che is no longer about Ernesto Guevara the man, but El Che the symbol.

It irritates me too, but perhaps the symbol is necessary in keeping the name alive, if the name is kept alive then the thoughts, words, books etc will be and so on.

What irks me is just who is making money out of it.... Perhaps if the money made from those souvenirs went to worthy causes, developing world charities and so on it would make a difference.

[ComradeRed22'91]

i honestly don't believe that anyone would wear a Che shirt without having some idea of what he stood for. Bob Marley, however, is another point.

[ellipsis]

i honestly don't believe that anyone would wear a Che shirt without having some idea of what he stood for.

Yah I have never actually met one of these people who don't even know who he is. Well maybe me when I was like 15. and this guy:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_0xCx5PWyccM/SPb8Oc-0qWI/AAAAAAAAAto/3lqBjOCQdcI/s400/DSC00012.JPG

[Drace]

i honestly don't believe that anyone would wear a Che shirt without having some idea of what he stood for. Bob Marley, however, is another point. I remember someone posted a story on here that they said "I like your shirt" to someone wearing a che shirt and they replied "yeah, I love Bob Marley too!"
:laugh:

[REVLEFT'S BIEGGST MATSER TROL]

The whole crap about idealistic lefties wearing Che shirts without knowing who the fuck he was is so overblown imo.

And besides that, who really cares? He's become an icon for "general lefty dissent", nobody wears his face to remonstrate with the man anymore really.

[APathToTake]

I agree, I believe most people who wear the shirt do have a rough idea of what he stood for. It's no where near the same league as trendy kids buying £30 shirts, of retro rock bands, pretending they give a shit about them.

Agreed, there are some that wear the shirt to be fashionable, but it's a bit overblown.

And I also think it does help spread the message. When I was younger, getting bombarded with pictures of Che, it sparked my curiosity that would eventually lead me to where I am now.

[cleef]

lol some guy i spoke to seemed to be under the impression that he had something to do with cigar production haha

[Shitfaced]

Yes, this whole che on t-shirts thing has gone way to far, but you know what i hate more, people assuming your some trend following poser for having a che related thing.

[Crusade]

I wear shirts with :hammersickle:. At least then people can be sure they're speaking to a fellow communist. Or a freedom hating commie fascist :rolleyes:

[AK]

I wear shirts with :hammersickle:. At least then people can be sure they're speaking to a fellow communist. Or a freedom hating commie fascist :rolleyes:
You forgot godless scum of the earth. Yeah I agree, this Che shit's gone too far; his image is a tool in supporting the system he wanted to destroy. Ironic, eh? His image is also used just to show some sort of "teen rebellion" and whatnot. Che would turn in his grave to see the world of today.

[Ztrain]

How ironic :rolleyes:

[bawbag]

It is a very good idea and I believe I am proof of that. I saw him on countless t-shirts and asked my dad who the f**k is that guy? Then he told me it was Che Guevara and being a child of the google age I was up and on the internet in minutes looking to find out who Che Guevara was and that is how I got into socialism and communism etc, I just fell in love with Che's idea of mankind acting on morals and ethics as opposed to acting on their own selfishness, I also loved his hatred for exploitation. Had it not been for Che Guevara t-shirts I would still be a selfish little capitalist with the wrong idea and principles.

Now that I know who he is I really really want a Che T-shirt but even though considering how they benefited me, I keep thinking it is just so hypocritical, I got one as a gift for christmas but I don't know where it was bought and it sits in my wardrobe waiting to be worn but I argue with myself that if I wear it I may be selling my soul to the capitalists.

[TheSamsquatch]

It's just like the situation with those that wear a band's shirt for whatever reason, KNOWING that they don't listen to the band's music.
Somebody wearing a Che shirt that doesn't know the first thing about him, gives a bad name to those that understand who he was and what he did that choose to wear a Che shirt. I agree that every shirt should come with literature, or you should have to take a basic test on him to be able to buy his memorabilia.

[RATM-Eubie]

I read Che i know who he was and yes i own a shirt of his

[Lulznet]

Its embarrassing to see someone in the Che shirt due to the fact that they don't understand what the shirt even represents...

Even then if they did understand they're likely buying said shirt for 20 dollars or more from a company that doesn't even have any allegiance to the meaning behind the shirt. And making it worse the shirt was likely produced in a sweatshop. :thumbdown:

[Invincible Summer]

Its embarrassing to see someone in the Che shirt due to the fact that they don't understand what the shirt even represents...

Even then if they did understand they're likely buying said shirt for 20 dollars or more from a company that doesn't even have any allegiance to the meaning behind the shirt. And making it worse the shirt was likely produced in a sweatshop. :thumbdown:

Then you might as well destroy anything you have that has to do with anything, since it was most likely produced by a company that has no allegiance with ____, and was made in a sweatshop

[Lulznet]

Then you might as well destroy anything you have that has to do with anything, since it was most likely produced by a company that has no allegiance with ____, and was made in a sweatshop
Excuse me for thinking its rather ironic that an Anti-Capitalist revolutionary would be on a sweatshop made T-Shirt. :rolleyes:

[tbasherizer]

it's therefore oxymoronical to buy a book on Greenpeace.

Be real people - you can't stop something like it. Without that trademarked face...I bet alotta members here wouldn't be members, because they would've never been exposed to the revolution.

If I didn't see someone wearing that RATM Che Guevara shirt - I doubt I would've bought/read Jon Lee Anderson's book.

my 2 cents.

You have to admit, however, that the band Rage Against the Machine is pretty committed to their message. Well, Zach and Tom are at least. I'd love to get a Che shirt, but I never happen upon them when I have money to spare. Instead I'm thinking of saving up for a T-shirt press and making a bunch of far-left shirts myself.

[Veg_Athei_Socialist]

You could buy your CHe gear from this site. You know where the money is going and its a good cause.
So wait, the money goes to the site? I could live with that.

[Andriyan]

Personally I have a Che Guevara T-Shirt, but I've seen people that pretty-much think he's just an urban-icon.

Viva la revolucion! :)

[L.A.P.]

No matter how hard you try to fight capitalism you're just going to end up on a t-shirt sold at the GAP.:(

[Ostrinski]

Pretty much all I wear is Che shirts, and I did get them from che-lives. It gives me something to aspire to every day. I live in a rural Kentucky town, where no one knows who he is much less wears his shirt. If I was to see some of what you all have seen, as far as the ignorant people go, I would probably be angered out of wearing them altogether. Most arguments against the Che shirt phenomenon are well-founded. The best thing you could do is probably to recommend some reading to the ignorant people who wear them, as well as the ones who inquire on who he is I guess.

[Nolan]

I would never wear a Che shirt. Sorry Malte. :blushing:

The man is one of the greatest fighters for liberation who ever lived. I'm not going to join the scores of petty liberals who demean him by turning him into a symbol of hip rebellion.

[Heathen Communist]

Here's a thought- if the ideas of Communism spread throughout America and other capitalist states, then the Che image will become better understood as a whole

[IndependentCitizen]

A member of the EDL was wearing a Che Guevara shirt whilst shouting "red scum" at us anti-fascists last year in August...

Just thought I'd throw that out there.

[choff]

I always thought the Che shirts and mugs and other knicknacks were a bit silly, but a Che bong and accompanying spoon piece at a local head shop did get a chuckle out of me.

[Agent Ducky]

Meh. I really respect Che, what he did ,what he stood for, etc. and I feel like I'd be joining all these noobs who don't know what they're talking about, even though I'm not part of them >.< why did they have to do that to Che's image >.<

[altnet]

"Yea the guy on the t shirt is Che, he fought against something in Vietnam right?" - a kid at school who was wearing a Che shirt...sigh. Then the kid proceeds to try and tell me that he fought in Vietnam with Castro. I am not joking in the slightest.

[Fulanito de Tal]

I have a Che shirt that I bought in Cuba.

Che might be a fad in other places, but not in Central Florida. Their is too much capitalist propaganda here because of the Cuban gusanos. Wearing a Che shirt here says, "Fuck you" straight to their face. I love it when they ask me about him. I act stupid and let them tell me their version first. This usually leads them to embellish or fabricate stories. Then, I respond with enough knowledge to shut them up. My favorite question is, "So Che hunted you down and tried to send you to the paredon? Oh, you mean he took all of the land from the owners and used it so everyone could eat? What an asshole." Other leftists I walk by when I'm wearing my shirt show support by stating slogans like, "Hasta la vistoria siempre," and such. I love it :)

I also have a Huey P. Newton shirt which says on the back, "Black power's giving power to the people who have not had power to determine their own destiny." Nothing pisses off a bunch of white conservatives like a white guy wearing a shirt that advocates for black power. I think it the next best thing to a white girl dating a black guy.

[Arilou Lalee'lay]

I might write a pamphlet on commodification and recuperation and hand it out to anyone wearing a Che shirt I see. I'll post it here if do.

If the recipient gets pissed off and tells me they know all this, then I've made a new friend.

[A Revolutionary Tool]

I was riding my bike the other day to the store and saw a van that was selling all kinds of flags. They were selling British flags, Confederate flags, etc. Then I spotted a flag that was just red with a picture of Che's face on it. Am seriously debating whether or not I should buy it. I don't own any sort of leftist flags or attire, thought it would be something cool to have and wave around if I go to a rally or something.

[Fulanito de Tal]

I spotted a flag that was just red with a picture of Che's face on it. Am seriously debating whether or not I should buy it. I don't own any sort of leftist flags or attire, thought it would be something cool to have and wave around if I go to a rally or something.
Last year, I was at a sporting event that had nothing to do with politics. There was a group of people that brought an M-26-7 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/26th_of_July_Movement) flag ans was waving it around. I was cracking up! WTF does M-26-7 have to do with a volleyball game??

[Agent Ducky]

I was riding my bike the other day to the store and saw a van that was selling all kinds of flags. They were selling British flags, Confederate flags, etc. Then I spotted a flag that was just red with a picture of Che's face on it. Am seriously debating whether or not I should buy it. I don't own any sort of leftist flags or attire, thought it would be something cool to have and wave around if I go to a rally or something.

That sounds cool. I would get such a thing if not just to put it up in my room or something and be like "I HAVE A FREAKING CHE FLAG. 'NUFF SAID."

[A Revolutionary Tool]

Last year, I was at a sporting event that had nothing to do with politics. There was a group of people that brought an M-26-7 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/26th_of_July_Movement) flag ans was waving it around. I was cracking up! WTF does M-26-7 have to do with a volleyball game??
Dude I was at a track meet the other day and somebody brought a Brazilian flag. WTF is a Brazilian flag doing at a high-school track meet in the middle of California? Guy wasn't even Brazilian, I asked him, he was a freaking German foreign exchange student.

[A Revolutionary Tool]

That sounds cool. I would get such a thing if not just to put it up in my room or something and be like "I HAVE A FREAKING CHE FLAG. 'NUFF SAID."
That's what I was thinking too. Maybe make a few videos to put up on Youtube talking about politics or jamming out with my guitar or something, if I have a Che flag in the background it only makes it that much cooler right?

[Agent Ducky]

Dude I was at a track meet the other day and somebody brought a Brazilian flag. WTF is a Brazilian flag doing at a high-school track meet in the middle of California? Guy wasn't even Brazilian, I asked him, he was a freaking German foreign exchange student.

He probably thought it looked cool? Weird...

And @your other post, yes, having a random Che flag in the background of youtube videos adds +10% awesome.

[SJBarley]

I personally own several Che items, and my being here shows I know and believe in exactly what he stood for, perhaps you should question those you see wearing Che items and educate those who do not know and find a Comrade in those who do?

[Red_Devotchka]

poor Korda tho :O

[The Anarchist]

This is why I don't own a Che shirt. Not because I'm not acknowledging who he was, but because I'd be promoting ignorance by wearing it. People will assume "Oh hey, it's just another stupid kid who has a blatant dislike for authority." I don't like that.

[Comrade J]

Lol at people with Che merchandise.

I once saw Che lipbalm. :rolleyes:

[Delenda Carthago]

Right now, I would love every person in Athens to be wearing a Che Tshirt.Stop *****ing.

[Comrade J]

Yeah, cause more Che tshirts are exactly what we need. The Greek government will certainly tumble when they see Che everywhere.

I hear that even Lenin wore a Che tshirt the night of the Russian Revolution, which is odd cause Che wasn't even born.

[Delenda Carthago]

Yeah, cause more Che tshirts are exactly what we need. The Greek government will certainly tumble when they see Che everywhere.

I hear that even Lenin wore a Che tshirt the night of the Russian Revolution, which is odd cause Che wasn't even born.
First of all, there is no "we". Unless you live in a soon to be "national liberated zone" by neonazi scums who have the support of the cops and have an eye on you. This means wearing a Che T shirt would probalby get you stabbed in the middle of the street under the sun. Meanwhile, the whole fuckin city is about to set on a civil war and the economy of the country is about to collapse. If you dont live that situation shut the fuck up. I would still love to see more people wearing Che T shirts. Is that OK with you "mate"?

[MaximMK]

I have 2 che shirts one with him and one with castro and the other guys from the cuban revolution. + I wear a che badge on my jacket or backpack + i have him on my keyring. And i know who he is ;) But yes few are the ones like me.

[Cork Socialist]

I don't wear Che shirts because everyone assumes your some noob that wears it :S Ive friends that wear the shirts while trying to tell me how bad Commies are.

The only "left stuff" i own are a bust of lenins head from russia which is very cool i think :D and a soviet flag I got at a Car boot sale for like 5 euro.

[Agent Ducky]

I make all my own communist stuff. So I don't contribute to the commodification of leftist stuff. Yeah. Or something.

[MaximMK]

Well i personally like him and still wear him tho you are right. But id prefer to wear a hammer and sickle t-shirt with "Freedom, Solidarity, Equality" written on the back which I'm planning to print out. And I've been looking for a communist flag but communism isn't that popular here tho we were a socialist state in the past.

[Cork Socialist]

Well i personally like him and still wear him tho you are right. But id prefer to wear a hammer and sickle t-shirt with "Freedom, Solidarity, Equality" written on the back which I'm planning to print out. And I've been looking for a communist flag but communism isn't that popular here tho we were a socialist state in the past.
Car boot sales and stuff are always pretty handy for that kinda thing always seems to be a few floating around, thats where i got mine or you could check online.

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[Octavian]

If you're black and wearing a che shirt stop.

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If you're black and wearing a che shirt stop.

Oh, quit it. He wasn't racist towards africans he just said a few nasty things that weren't flattering. There are several pics of him smiling and holding african babies. I also believe it was reported by a soldier that he treated them like anyone else.

[DeBon]

Sorry but people buying a shirt, that was more than likely sewed in a sweatshop or in a foreign country with poor working conditions, that has the face of a true hero, who stood for what Che stood for, just seems moronic in my opinion.

Why not just fork out a few extra dollars for a nice work shirt that you know wasn't made through exploitation?

[seventeethdecember2016]

I thought when Obama was running for president, his CHANGE poster was a plot on Che.

[Althusser]

If you're black and wearing a che shirt stop.

"Those who kill their own children and discriminate daily against [blacks] because of the color of their skin; those who let the murderers of blacks remain free, protecting them, and furthermore punishing the black population because they demand their legitimate rights as free men — how can those who do this consider themselves guardians of freedom?" - Che Guevara, 1964, The United Nations

Che pushed for racially integrating the schools in Cuba, years before they were racially integrated in the Southern United States. Che's friend and personal bodyguard, who accompanied him at all times after 1959, was Harry "Pombo" Villegas, who was black. Pombo accompanied Guevara to the Congo and to Bolivia; he now lives in Cuba. He speaks highly of Che to this day.

When Guevara spoke before the U.N. in 1964, he spoke out in favor of black musician Paul Robeson, in support of slain black leader Patrice Lumumba, against white segregation in the Southern U.S., and against the white South African apartheid regime.

Guevara was also heralded by Malcolm X during this trip to NY, and later on behalf of his actions in Africa - praised by Nelson Mandela and the Black Panther's Stokely Carmichael.

Che Guevara was the farthest thing from a racist. Please don't take a few diary entries from 1952, when Che was 24, and blow them out of proportion. He learned a lot through his travels, and grew as a human being.

[Blackbird123]

The first way I learened about communism is that I saw Che's face on Rage Against The Machine music video and on T-shirts around school. It made me intrested on who the guy was and I painted a very good picture of him in art class (although not the guerrilla herrico picture) and through Che he opened my eyes to true communism and made me see the world how the it is.

[ВАЛТЕР]

I don't have a Che shit.
I have a few shirt designs I plan on making myself, but I can't do that until the shirt printing machine we have gets fixed.

[Comrade Trollface]

I came up to this kid once and asked him who the guy on his Che shirt was. So he tells me "that's Fidel, the King of Cuba." He had the crux of it, so I gave him a smile and walked off.

[TheGodlessUtopian]

"...king of cuba' ...lol.... I hope he didn't mean an actual king yet I am not holding my breath.

[Tim Finnegan]

Maybe he was a time-traveller from the year 3000, and that's all he remembered from history class?

[Deicide]

My friend has a bong with Che's head on it. He didn't even know who Che was, lol.

[Comrade Trollface]

Tell him that he was just some jackass who thought that nuking New York City was a great idea.

[Comrades Unite!]

I have a Che poster in my room.

I know somebody who has a Che T-Shirt,I told him that Che was a Communist and my friend tried to deny it.

Might I add that I asked about Fidel and my friend called him a murdering psycho.
Rest assured I rarely talked to him after that, guy was an idiot.

[Ostrinski]

I have some che stuff.

[Skyhilist]

So punks can't be communists? I consider myself a punk and anarcho-communist, and although I don't own a Che shirt, I don't see any contradictions there. Besides punk is not a fashion statement, it's a way of life. Real punks wearing that shirt would actually know what he was about and embrace. Those who don't are just posers.

[Comrades Unite!]

Who said Punks can't be Communists or at least Socialist?

Paul Simonon from The Clash was a Communist(Although later renounced the British CP and rarely talks about Politics anymore)

To wear a Che T-Shirt and not know who he was is posing and posturing.
It is not really punks who wear them, more like hipsters.

[Ostrinski]

So punks can't be communists? I consider myself a punk and anarcho-communist, and although I don't own a Che shirt, I don't see any contradictions there. Besides punk is not a fashion statement, it's a way of life. Real punks wearing that shirt would actually know what he was about and embrace. Those who don't are just posers.what is this in response too?

[Robespierres Neck]

Alberto Díaz Korda's "Guerrillero Heroico" (the famous portrait of Che) image was actually stolen from American companies without his consent. They were publishing his photograph on T-shirts, mugs, and other items and selling them, not having any knowledge of this. It was upsetting for him to see Che's image and his work being used in that nature, as I'm sure we can all understand. You can learn more about this in the documentary, Kordavision.

If I were ever to get something like that, it would be in Cuba.

[The Jay]

You could just make it yourself. That wouldn't be hypocritical at all.

[Sheepy]

People should have George Orwell's face on a shirt instead, he was Che Guevara before Che Guevara was even out of diapers.