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Dr. Rosenpenis
6th February 2003, 23:31
Living in the US, I am bombarded daily with reasons why we should go to war with Iraq and take Saddam out. Reasons why war is the answer to the Iraqi threats and terrorism support. I've heard people compare Saddam with Hitler, saying that many people were hesitant about the US joining WWII, but then it turned out it was a good thing. Is this the same case with our current crisis against Iraq? Every day I hear reasons why we should go to war to end Saddam's reign of terror and end his funding and supplying of Al-Quaeda, these reason's make it seem totaly illogical to not go to war. So why are so many nations, groups, leaders, and political parties against the war? There must some facts that I am being hidden from. What is the motive to stay out of the war. I've heard all the reasons to join the war, but why should one oppose the war?

CheViveToday
6th February 2003, 23:42
First of all, the reasons we should supposedly go to war with Iraq is because they allegedly have biological weapons, nuclear weapons, and support Al Qaeda. HOWEVER, NONE of these have been proven in the least! I mean I don't doubt that Iraq has bio weapons, but I highly doubt they have Nukes and are really involved with Qaeda. Is 1/3 really worth going to war over??? That's for you to decide. Also another reason not to go, that has been pointed out on this site on several occasions, is that innocent Iraqis will, and US soldiers will also die. Also, a war with Iraq would most likely anger the Middle Easterners more so than they already are, and incite more terrorist attacks against the US, Isreal, and many European countries. So I guess if you don't care about innocent Iraqis dying, US soldiers dying, innocent US citizens dying [from possible new terrorist attacks], and going to war on simple allegations of what Iraw may have...then SURE by all means support the war. Join the other 85% of the misinformed American Population. That's all I have to say about that.....

Tasha
6th February 2003, 23:51
Ok the main reason bush is going to war is he is a puppet of the oil corporations. When you join the USA army you are really a mercenary fighting for the interests of corporations. They manipulate this country and the world. The majority of this world believes this war is to get oil(myself included). There are many other interests as well. I suggest you look in the 8 europeans war thread there is a lot good opinions.

hawarameen
7th February 2003, 00:34
i dont like repeating my self to often so i suggest you look at the 8 european countries thread and the voice of the people thread on arguments for a war by myself and deimos who know abit about the whole thing and can speak from experience. in particular the voice of the people thread i have pointed out what every kurdish citizen living in iraq knows about al-qaida and saddam

Larissa
7th February 2003, 14:44
Maybe this link will help you:
http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/issue...ues/irqindx.htm (http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/issues/irqindx.htm)

Revolution Hero
7th February 2003, 22:40
As I see Kurds do support US war against Iraq. But what is the main reason of opposing the war?

The main reason is that this war is imperialistic war. If US successful, then Iraq will lose its independence and will be left with the illusion of destruction of dictatorship and building of a new “democratic” government- puppet government of White House.
As the result of this war Iraq will be exploited by US bourgeois class, just like US exploits the majority of Latin American countries. USA will oppress the people, the state and the soil of Iraq. Is this what you want? If yes, then you must be fucking imperialist…
US will probably give total independence for Kurds, but it will make Iraq dependent.

Moreover, the interference in the state’s internal affairs is the violation of sovereignty of this state; this is the violation of INTERNATIONAL LAW! At least the latter must be respected.

Larissa
8th February 2003, 01:50
A supposedly "non biased opinion" would state "If you oppose the war, you'll be automatically called a "Saddam supporter". Thus the issue is sidestepped and the supporters get their martini while Western soldiers and thousands of Saddam's victims get killed with good press coverage."

I oppose to war. And I don't care what I might be called.

KickMcCann
8th February 2003, 05:51
Quote: from Revolution Hero on 10:40 pm on Feb. 7, 2003

Moreover, the interference in the state’s internal affairs is the violation of sovereignty of this state; this is the violation of INTERNATIONAL LAW! At least the latter must be respected.



I don't think you can hold that against the US without holding it against dozens of other countries in the world; capitalist and communist.

Wouldn't sending volunteers to fight the fascists in the Spanish Civil War be an example of interferring in Spain's internal affairs and violating the sovereignty of that nation?

Wouldn't liberating Nazi death camps in Germany be considered interferring in Nazi Germany's internal affairs and violating the sovereignty of that nation?

Revolution Hero
8th February 2003, 15:51
Quote: from KickMcCann on 3:51 pm on Feb. 8, 2003

Quote: from Revolution Hero on 10:40 pm on Feb. 7, 2003

Moreover, the interference in the state’s internal affairs is the violation of sovereignty of this state; this is the violation of INTERNATIONAL LAW! At least the latter must be respected.



I don't think you can hold that against the US without holding it against dozens of other countries in the world; capitalist and communist.

Wouldn't sending volunteers to fight the fascists in the Spanish Civil War be an example of interferring in Spain's internal affairs and violating the sovereignty of that nation?

Wouldn't liberating Nazi death camps in Germany be considered interferring in Nazi Germany's internal affairs and violating the sovereignty of that nation?

Two cases mentioned by you are not apllicable to US vs. Iraq conflict.

1. Civil War had already been started and only then spanish anti- fascist forces recieved International support. Civil War was NOT initiated by the forces from outside.

2. Destruction of Nazi death camps came as the result of the war against fascist Germany, started by Germany, not by the anti- german allies.

and what do you try to say? Is it a pathetic attempt to protect imperialism?

Boris Moskovitz
8th February 2003, 16:28
Aww... common, we don't need to know why US wants to make profits, and for the Kurds, I am sure that scumsy USA wants to use them as an excuse to take over Iraq, I am sure of 1 thing, if they intend to beat the shit out of Saddam Hussein, then they will try to control Iraq, in one way or another. We know that Bush will try to repair the mistakes from his incompetence by killing some innocent people. *shudder*. Well, we all know one thing, US will fall one day, and it will be the same for Mother Russia, and many other countries, giants will fall by their own weight. Truly, we all know that one war or another, is not to give freedom to USA, my ass, its to ensure their domination. Iraq doesn't even look threatening, and do YOU believe it has weapons of mass destruction?
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Blah blah blah blah, I am Bush and I think Iraq has weapons of mass destruction hidden in their country, blah blah blah, and I can take them, so I decide that I must bomb them to rescue the world!!1
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Ok... anyone opposing the war, is a person who knows what hes doing, any civilians for the war, is a blind political puppet. Oh my god... and to think some of my friends do support the war...

Red Liberation
8th February 2003, 18:17
The war is going ahead anyway. Im even thinking of not even going to the rally on the 15th becasue of that reason. You guys have a pretty good idea of how i feel about it.