America considers dropping France as Ally

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In the news today on United Press International this article was posted.

http://www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=200302...04-031831-1626r (http://www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=20030204-031831-1626r)

"France is no longer an ally of the United States and the NATO alliance "must develop a strategy to contain our erstwhile ally or we will not be talking about a NATO alliance" the head of the Pentagon's top advisory board said in Washington Tuesday."

Then added about Germany.

"Very considerable damage has already been done to the Atlantic community, including NATO, by Germany and France," Perle said. "

Okay so the U.S. is speaking about essentially removing Germany and France as NATO allies. This after NATO just invited and gave membership to several Eastern Block countries. It almost seems to me that America is switching sides with Russia. Russia is now on the same stance as Germany and France while America picks up the Eastern Block countries.

Czech Republic, Poland, Hungary, Bulgaria, Lithuania, Estonia, Latvia, Slovakia and Slovenia.

I think going to these poorer countries who are more willing to just go along with the U.S. to have good standing and economic bonuses for being a NATO member, strenghtens Americas hand. With other more financially stable countries like France and Germany able to speak out against America.

Anybody else have any opinions on this?

[ID2002]

...ok,

France, an Germany are good friends with Canada...we already are buddy buddy with Cuba.

Humm...LETS ISOLATE THE USA. Good idea...make them wise up.

[CheViveToday]

I think ID2002 might be on to something. I mean the USA might not give a damn right now that they could be cutting ties with France and Germany. They're thinking "Big deal, 2 European countries out of a ton". But France and Germany certainly won't be the last to get pissed at the US. When the US realizes they're losing the support of many countries they will hopefully change several of their policies. We can only hope.

[canikickit]

It almost seems to me that America is switching sides with Russia. Russia is now on the same stance as Germany and France while America picks up the Eastern Block countries.

Actually a very interesting observation.


I think ID2002 might be on to something.

You're damn right he is. That's the whole basis of the EU. To provide a stable economic alternative in the western world.

[BasementAddix]

military wise france is useless anyway...

[deimos]

military wise france is useless anyway...
so is germany, so are al the east contries...
I think the americanophilia in the eastern european almost-Eu countries is only a temporarly phenomenon. In some years the people in poland will be as pissed off by the americans as the germans or the french.

[oki]

the USA is aiming for a new order.they allready said the UN becomes irrelevant if they don't do what the US wants,so after they quit that they will look for their new allies and form a new nato is my guess.

[kylie]

the euesay under bush is wanting to become isolated and totally self sufficiant. you can see this by looking at how before nine eleven, there was absolutely no foreign policy. you never saw them in the media in terms of foreign relations, it was always just about them pulling out of various treaties.
this view still runs in the admin, just look at their treatment of the countries against war on iraq.

[deimos]

What can we do?We can't do anything against the stupidity of the us population.

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

Yes we can. Educating the people is the first step.

And Canada, Germany and France wouldn't risk a embargo against the US, because it brings heavy economical damage.

[sypher]

issolating the U.S. is a good idea. It would create a change in power to say the least.

However will it ever happen? What are the chances?

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Quote: from canikickit on 4:57 am on Feb. 6, 2003

It almost seems to me that America is switching sides with Russia. Russia is now on the same stance as Germany and France while America picks up the Eastern Block countries.

Actually a very interesting observation.



It is becoming even more interesting with this latest news article.
http://www.observer.co.uk/international/st...,896573,00.html (http://www.observer.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,896573,00.html)

Under these plans, the US would move its troops in Europe eastwards to countries such as Poland, the Czech Republic and the Baltic states, all of which have strongly supported America's line against Saddam Hussein.

So I would say at this point this is a big switch of the world's super power's allies. America is alienating the west for less financially stable allies.

When we get done with this, I would sumize that Americ'a Allies are going to only be, Eastern Block Europe, Britian, Turkey and Pakistan.

Countries less financially stable will be a lot easier to sculpt, dictate and threaten than more stable regions.

I don't think there has been any evidence other wise.

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

I think in that case the "new allies" will face some heavy resistance from extreme muslim groups, leftist geurilla groups e.a.

They are switching their safety, dignity and stability for money.

And the Nato and Europe has turned to the US once again, *damn!*.

Most nations gave in. That only weakens the nowadays coalitian against war and takes away the hope of small country's to rally with the anti-war coalitian, in fear of (economical) consequences.

[Pete]

"LETS ISOLATE THE USA. Good idea...make them wise up. "

Too bad Chretien is too much of a wimp and Paul Martin is a shoo in for his position. Fuck I hate Canadian politics. Give us a nice leftist party and let them ride!

"military wise france is useless anyway... "

So is Canada

"the USA is aiming for a new order.they allready said the UN becomes irrelevant if they don't do what the US wants,so after they quit that they will look for their new allies and form a new nato is my guess. "

Regardless if the UN votes on war or America goes unilaterially the UN is ruined. If their is war in Iraq the UN is forever destroyed by America. They blood of the global war which then ensue will all be on their hands. I hope Bush has better soap then MacBeth.

"And Canada, Germany and France wouldn't risk a embargo against the US, because it brings heavy economical damage. "

If Canada Germany and France began trading heavily with eachother their would be little economic damage. Canada's economy is improving as America's is going down the tube. We waste money selling raw materials to America and buying finished products for insanely high prices. That is the majority of Amero-Canadian trade. Eliminate that and Canada may become economically stronger. Anyways we have always prefered Europe over America!

"So I would say at this point this is a big switch of the world's super power's allies. America is alienating the west for less financially stable allies. "

They want a reliable source of cheap labour. With anti-sweat shop campaigns (mostly targeted at Asian countries) they will need a legit source of cheap labour.

World War Three? No? A civil war inside of the UN will not occur. Maybe aliens will save us all like in Enders Game. *gags*

[Tasha]

If the usa decides to drop these countries as allies the usa will suffer more greatly than anyone else. As it is a short - term effect for these countries it will end in a long - term effect for the usa.

[Pete]

Quote: from Tasha on 8:14 pm on Feb. 17, 2003
If the usa decides to drop these countries as allies the usa will suffer more greatly than anyone else. As it is a short - term effect for these countries it will end in a long - term effect for the usa.

That is true. Aswell European nations have always sought (after Napolean) a balance of power. It is what led to the horrible blood shed of WW1 and the rise of the first Worker's state.