The Death of the United States of America

[The_Titoist]

All I have to say is just WOW. In the last two weeks, Bush's approval rate has plunged 20%, Administration scandals have gone to hell and back, congress cannot decide anything, and the world is about to shove a stick up the administrations ass.

Argentina hosted the largest protest I have ever seen, and national leaders who I usually picture as someone who is firm, wears a suit and completely emotionless was thrown out the window, while South American, Middle Eastern, Asian and Eastern European leaders were jumping up and down as if they were celebrating a soccer victory calling for the removal of the Bush Administration and American Oppression.

The US is quickly crumbling under its own weight, and there will be a revolution, something like the Serbian revolution of 2000 where Milosevic was kicked out by his own citizens and soldiers. I dont believe Bush will resign as president, because from what I see, he is power hungry and so is Cheney.

What is everyones belief on this? What do you think will happen in the future? What will Bush do next?

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[theblitz]

America needs a change. The reason Bush has failed to acheive support from his own party is due to his big government policies. He spends like a socialist. He has increased spending by 22% compared to the last year, not something that the Republicans like. As a Libertarian Capitalist, I usually support the Republican Party over the Democratic Party, but not anymore. This administration has failed to protect the rights of the individual(Patriot Act), Failed to protect private property(Government can now take property for businesses through eminent domain) and has failed in fisical responsibility, increasing spending (percentage-wise) more then Roosevelt, who was the most socialist president in American history. I do not see this as America collapsing, I see it as an end to big government and the realization that the Libertarian Party can achieve what the republican party wants, a free society in which the people are given the freedom to do whatever they want as long as it does not infringe upon the rights of others.


Thats right, I am a Libertarian Capitalist. Are you going to hang me as a bourgeois pig? :P

Your comment about a Socialist revolution shows a lack of knowledge about the current affairs in the United States. The United States would never turn socialist after what is witnessed in the USSR. If there ever was a revolution, It would be from Secession of the State of Texas from the Union, which would create a Libertarian nation with a slight leaning to the conservative side, with some limits on abortion. We are not as conservative as leftists tend to believe, and personally I am most definently not a conservative socially.

[Ownthink]

Thats right, I am a Libertarian Capitalist. Are you going to hang me as a bourgeois pig?
No, of course not. Well, not now, anyhow. For now, we shall just restrict you.

[Creature]

I heard a rumour that Bush had hit the liquor again a little while back.

[Stonewall]

Wouldn’t surprise me, he was an alcoholic that almost committed suicide by trying to trash a plane with his friend on board. I'm an alcoholic to, but not an idiotic self-destructive one =D

No, I’m not going to hang you and I don’t believe in restricting you, I just find it sad you’re so uncaring, greedy and uncompassionate [as Churchill said, “if you’re a teenager and not a socialist, you have no heart"]. After the revolution [if there ever is one], you’re free to move to the capitalist paradise of Somalia [Somalia is as close to a truly free market as one can get and it’s total anarchy and an impoverished hole].

[Severian]

Originally posted by [email protected] 18 2005, 10:46 PM
All I have to say is just WOW. In the last two weeks, Bush's approval rate has plunged 20%, Administration scandals have gone to hell and back, congress cannot decide anything, and the world is about to shove a stick up the administrations ass.
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The US is quickly crumbling under its own weight, and there will be a revolution, something like the Serbian revolution of 2000 where Milosevic was kicked out by his own citizens and soldiers. I dont believe Bush will resign as president, because from what I see, he is power hungry and so is Cheney.

What is everyones belief on this? What do you think will happen in the future? What will Bush do next?
I think that Bush does not equal U.S. imperialism. The latest confirmation of this: the U.S. House of Representatives voted 403 to 3 in favor of continuing the occupation of Iraq. There is a bipartisan consensus on all major issues.

One condition for a revolution to occur: there needs to be widespread awareness of this.

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This thread just illustrated why we restrict supporters of capitalism. Because they instantly derail any discussion of anything but "is capitalism good." Or, in this case, explaining in baby talk what is, and is not, socialism.

[RebelAlliance1936]

I see it as an end to big government and the realization that the Libertarian Party can achieve what the republican party wants, a free society in which the people are given the freedom to do whatever they want as long as it does not infringe upon the rights of others.

Ha! The republicans want a free society? That must be why they are so earnestly advocating the continued expansion of executive authority, less restrictions regarding surveillance of citizens, an astronomical military budget, greater coordination/control of mass media, and a freer hand in the ability to imprison anyone they deem an enemy of the state.


If there ever was a revolution, It would be from Secession of the State of Texas from the Union

If we ever have a social revolution in the US it will be necessary to kick texas out.


After the revolution [if there ever is one], you’re free to move to the capitalist paradise of Somalia [Somalia is as close to a truly free market as one can get and it’s total anarchy and an impoverished hole].

Precisely the sort of idea, texas could become sort of a capitalist 'homeland', where all of those who profess enthusiasm for capitalist libertarianism, and thus disdain for the welfare of the community, can live out their dreams of vicious competition in a hobbesian state of nature every man woman and child for themselves. We could even seize their guns so they would have to fight with sticks!

[TheLiberal]

In 2008, there will be a Democrat landslide and US politics will turn a corner.

Americans are not unhappy with their system of government or presidential democracy in general, they are unhappy with Iraq, the Republican Party and Mr Bush. Thus, a revolution is not imminent.

[Atlas Swallowed]

Republican/Democrat not much of a difference. Both parties are corporate serving whores and war parties. Its empire under either party. Thier will only be revoulution in the USA if the whole financial system takes a dump, which is very possible. All empires fall, I hope I live long enough to see this one go.

[TheLiberal]

My point remains, what ever occurs politically or economically, a revolution will only happen when Americans become dissatisfied with their system of government which is not about to happen. Economic collapse may bring about major political change by other means, but the presidential democracy will remain.

[Atlas Swallowed]

Don't you mean Presidential plutocracy?

[Simotix]

As said before, in 2008 there will be a Democratic winner but as far as who will win, you never know. Hillary?

[Master Che]

Originally posted by [email protected] 20 2005, 07:02 PM
In 2008, there will be a Democrat landslide and US politics will turn a corner.
How are you sure their will be a major landslide for the democrat's? Or a election at all? For all we know Bush might become a dictator or the US could collapse untill then.

[Seagrams VO]

I don't see a revolution occurring in the US, whatsoever. The majority of people, regardless of their opinion of the president, are both happy (and as a result, complacent) and dedicated to the government. The majority of US citizens are well off economically in comparison to much of the rest of the world, and they have a feeling that, even though the government may be failing now, democracy is infallible and if they remain obligated to the system, things will remain good and justified.

So even if there is an economic collapse, and the US plunges into poverty, I still believe that the sense of duty to the democratic system and the governmental placating of the populous through pseudo-socialist policies will hold back rebellion until the system recovers.

[kingbee]

Originally posted by URSB_Revolution+Nov 21 2005, 03:27 AM--> (URSB_Revolution @ Nov 21 2005, 03:27 AM)
[email protected] 20 2005, 07:02 PM
In 2008, there will be a Democrat landslide and US politics will turn a corner.
How are you sure their will be a major landslide for the democrat's? Or a election at all? For all we know Bush might become a dictator or the US could collapse untill then. [/b]
er....

im pretty sure there will be an election, and a democratic win in 2008. probably because

a) the u$ won't collapse.
b) bush won't be a dictator.

[Master Che]

Originally posted by kingbee+Nov 21 2005, 11:38 AM--> (kingbee @ Nov 21 2005, 11:38 AM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 21 2005, 03:27 AM

[email protected] 20 2005, 07:02 PM
In 2008, there will be a Democrat landslide and US politics will turn a corner.
How are you sure their will be a major landslide for the democrat's? Or a election at all? For all we know Bush might become a dictator or the US could collapse untill then.
er....

im pretty sure there will be an election, and a democratic win in 2008. probably because

a) the u$ won't collapse.
b) bush won't be a dictator. [/b]
a) every nation in history has fallen one time or another.
b) How are you so sure?

[drain.you]

The USA will collapse. Difficult to say when. Also every administration (in the world, not only USA) will undergo times of hardship, I wouldn't say recent events represent the fall of Bush or the USA.
I also doubt that Bush would become a dictator. My understanding is that this is almost impossible due to the constitution and separation of powers. Unless he gets alot of support from Congress/Senate and people, dictatorship would be impossible. Would be terrible if it became that way though and I wouldn't like to go against a dictator of a country with the power and wealth of the USA.

[kingbee]

a) well, i think it's safe to say that the u$ won't fall before 2008.

b) also, as much as we all dislike bush, i think it's completely unrealistic to imagine that he will become a dictator.

[Punk Rocker]

It's great that things are turning against Bush, but the Republican regime and their empire of greed still won't step down without a fight. This just means the fight will be easier.