kill the whiteness inside

[Ginger Goodwin]

Maybe we should recruit this guy for the forum , eh? :lol:


Deejay's Appeal: 'Kill The Whiteness Inside '
In Brooklyn, a Club Following Feels the Irony

By Michelle Garcia
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, August 26, 2005; Page A03

NEW YORK -- The dance floor throbs to the rapid thump-thump of the hip-hop beat. The deejay, Tha Pumpsta, leans against his booth, and a woman slides up from behind, grabs his narrow hips and rubs hard.

Tha Pumpsta hops onto the crowded dance floor of guys in big T-shirts dangling from slight frames and ladies in short skirts and tasseled boots.

Jeremy Parker plays at parties where he spins hip-hop to a mostly white crowd. He says the idea is to make fun of himself and his origins.


Tha Pumpster, a Brooklyn DJ, has made a name for himself -- both good and bad -- by throwing monthly "Kill Whitey" parties


"Kill whitey!" yells Tha Pumpsta into the microphone as he bounces to the beat. "What . . . gonna . . . do dance . . ." he raps to the beat. "Kill whitey!"

The kid by the bar busts out with a break-dancing move. Women drop their booties and the guys slide in close. Tha Pumpsta struts around in an all-white outfit from his headband to his high tops, shouting it again: " Kill whitey!"

Tha Pumpsta, who happens be white, has built a following in the past few years by staging monthly "Kill Whitie" parties in Williamsburg, Brooklyn, for large groups of white hipsters. His proclaimed goal, in between spinning booty-bass, Miami-style frenetically danceable hip-hop records that are low on lyrical depth and high on raunchiness, is to "kill the whiteness inside."

"I'm trying to kill the whiteness inside," Parker added, although his blue eyes, milk-white skin and blond hair might suggest he has some work ahead of him.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...5082501818.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/25/AR2005082501818.html)

[bunk]

sounds like fun and a bit of a laugh? :D

[Publius]

I would have to hear how good of a DJ is.

Good ones, such as RJD2, who I'm currently listening to, let their music do the talking.

[Militant]

Why would we want a racist here? I doubt anyone here would appreciate a white chanting "death to blackie!" at a dance club.

[Guerrilla22]

There is no way one can change his ethnicity, self loathing will not accomplish anything.

[BuyOurEverything]

Yes, yes, we all think that white people are inferior and are racked with white guilt because we're not black or latino.

[Zangetsu]

I was going to place this reply in the theory section, but as you have become restricted i will just put it here...

I think your "explanation" is not very good. You believe white pride must stay intact so that all attempts to purge the concept of defining oneself as white and drawing pride from such a label, can continue...

You are proud of being white... therefore those who do not possess this 'virtue' should be ashamed on some level?

I would reject black pride as much as i do white pride; except black pride was invented to undo the negative compaigning white racism had disseminated to those who were subjugated by it. I will repeat myself in stating: this was a pychological subjugation aswell as a physical one. Peoples self-worth in the respect of their potencial as intelectuals and leaders etc. had to be improved in societies which recognised race as a major component in a persons identity and worth.

If you have not experienced an assult on your intelectual capabilities on the basis of your white coloured skin which truely impacted on your self esteem, In my view you do not have an excuse like those who promote their racialy predicated pride.

Just reasonably consider your arguement, your excuse for subcribing to white pride is so that it can be maintained- those are the sentiments of a racist.

[Xvall]

Percicely. Just do a google search. What do you get when you look up "Black Pride". Any-discrimination organizations affiliated with other organization such as the gay rights movement. Now do the same thing for "White Pride". You get pages like Stormfront, who advocate racial segregation and the persecution of jews and homosexuals. There is an enormous different. It's not that I like either, but the reason that "white pride" is unacceptable is because 99% of the people who say it are in the fucking Klan.

[Black Dagger]

To Ginger Goodwin, from a post i made in another thread...

On the difference between 'black pride' and 'white pride'.

It's frustrating that so many 'communists' fail to understand the dynamics of racial oppression. Saying you're proud to be black is the same as saying you're proud to be gay, or proud to be working class- it is slogan of empowerment for opressed peoples.

Being WC, gay or black is portrayed as a negative in 'western' society, because WC peoples are 'inferior' to the 'middle class', they're rough, dirty, uneducated/ignorant, rude- criminal. Many of these traits are all assigned to black peoples, particularly black men, they're brutish-strong-sexually aggressive-scary-violent- but also uneducated/ignorant and criminal. Gay peoples are weak, iffeminate, vain and so forth.

That is, these terms are embued heavily with negative connotations by 'middle class' white hetero-normative 'society'- being WC, being black, being gay means you're not as 'good' -you're not 'worth' as much as a human being- you're inferior- black pride, WC pride and gay pride is about challenging these assertions/norms of inferiority and showing that not only are we not 'weak', or 'criminal', or ignorant, but that we're strong, intelligent, we're just as 'good' as anyone else- and that these negative stereotypes are bullshit- that we're above them- it is tool of self-empowerment in a context of immense social and economic oppression. A way to fight the internalisation of these stereotypes, so we don't have WC kids, black kids, gay kids growing up thinking that they're inferior, they're weak, dumb- thinking that they're worthless- they need to see their strength- their intelligence - their worth.
It is in the end a means to unify and strengthen opressed peoples- so we can smash these stereotypes and the society that creates them.

[Ginger Goodwin]

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[SonofRage]

*Sigh*. You just don't get it. The "white race" is a social construct and all races in humanity are. There can actually be greater genetic differences within these so-called "races" than there is between two different "races."

Read something! Open Letter to the "White Anti-Racist" (http://www.racetraitor.org/nopper.html)

[Atlas Swallowed]

Another idiot convention. If you are white you are white, get over it. Pretending to be something you are not does nobody any good, it just pisses people off.

[JC1]

There is no such thing as "White". There is no "white" languague or culture,"White's" have no common territory, how can they be called an ethnicity? "White" is a colour caste.

"White" does not even make sense as a colour caste becuase there are people who have white complexion's (Slav's, Semites, Turk's) who are not considered white. There are people like the Japenese who are a coloured folk, but they too are considered part of the white colour caste.

"Atlas Swallowed", Shut up *****.

[VonClausewitz]

I read through that open letter, and must say; what a load of crap.

The whole basic theme of that letter is "If you are white, you can't ever do anything right for anyone else, because you are automatically responsible for all of the evils in history". Utter crap. It's rubbish like that that stops the world moving forwards. People need to work together, not spout of alienating rubbish like that. Who is it meant to motivate ? black supremacists ?

I take white/black/asian/etc etc as a simple map of human genetic geography. I couldn't care less what kinds of political connontations people feel the need to cook up, because it really is a bit sad. If I say 'I'm white' on a census form, it doesn't mean 'I'm white and now I'm going to burn down your home darkie' does it ?.

Another bit in that letter, saying that white people can never be discriminated against blah blah blah, well, this person has obviously led a VERY sheltered life. I'd call having 'FUCK YOU WHITE BASTARD, GET THE FUCK OUT OF OUR TOWN' shouted at me discriminatory ?

Black Dagger; So you can't admit to being white and be a socialist ? I know plenty of black and asians who are far more right-wing than any of the PC-Liberal types running my country would ever admit.

On a side note, I always saw such pride organisations as a good thing, appart from when they insist on massed-marches or whatever. I always felt it was counter-productive. Sure, I believe in proper rights for gay people, but having bubble machines and half-naked men painted green walking thorugh my city aint going to help change anyones mind. It just gets treated like a silly carnival, and everyone but the organisers miss the point.

[Atlas Swallowed]

JC-1, blow me ass clown.

[Zangetsu]

Originally posted by Ginger [email protected] 20 2005, 01:25 PM
BD
I would respectfully suggest to you that "White" also has negative connotations emanating from the left.

These were my statements concerning "white pride" which earned me time in this here penalty box:
(Q)" Does being white make you proud?"

That was a baiting question. My discomfort at the exhortation to abolition of the white race should not elicit such a suspicious response, now should it?

My answer:
(A)"Yes of course being white makes me proud.
Would you prefer I be racked with white guilt? I was in the past and it is not a positive mindset."

And:
"And my white pride is generated and sustained primarily to counteract notions of abolition of the white people, that unfortunately, the left seems to project."

Thats all.

I understand that most of you ( like Che ,Castro, Kropotkin, Lenin, Marx, Engels Etc.) are rebels from your own class who wish to identify with the Proletariat. ;)

I did not have the luxury of attending University to become ornery and disagreeable when challenged by a reality separate from what the biased lecturers taught me.

Please forgive my white workers perspective.

If the White race is seen as an impediment to Socialism which would require a Final Solution, then please, consider me the enemy.

In former Solidarity--Ginger Goodwin
You seem very egotistical- you will not back down from your assertions just because they are yours apparently. When reading your responses you openly ignore the substance of those who are trying to explain to you what they mean by "abolitionment of the white race". Do you suddenly forget how to read when before you it is written in english that geonicide is not what is being promoted!? It has been made plain the only culture which is too be exterminated is "white privilege" etc. and those cultures which are imbued with such things. People on the left are generaly people who analyse, interpret, and genuinely reason their way to their conclusions. You display none of these qualities. Will you build us yet another straw man that you can burn down, or will you recognise and refute your silliness?

[Severian]

Originally posted by Ginger [email protected] 20 2005, 07:25 AM
If the White race is seen as an impediment to Socialism which would require a Final Solution, then please, consider me the enemy.
Nobody says that, troll.

[NE_Liberal]

Sounds like this guys music lacks any sort of depth. This is what you call a gimick rapper. This usually means no talent as well. There are some good white rappers(atmosphere, the beasties), and some good black rappers(the roots, immortal technique), but mostly all rappers are crap(eminem, 50 cent).

[Ginger Goodwin]

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[Severian]

Those who advocate this have explained what they mean; you're just not listening.

There is no biological "white race" to abolish.

[Ginger Goodwin]

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[bcbm]

The "white race" is a social construct. This is why various groups once considered "not white" (ie, the Irish, Jews, etc) have slowly been allowed to "become white." The white race is not a biological entity, it is a SOCIAL entity. This is what is meant when one says "abolish the white race:" end the privilege and racism associated with that construct. It has nothing to do with killing the various groups that are generally considered "white."

[Black Dagger]

If, Severian, there is no "white race" to abolish, why would Mr Ignatiev have "Abolish the white race - by any means necessary " as a slogan? ?

Because the 'white race', like all 'races', still exists as a social construction. You just can't seem to 'get' that everyone but you is talking about 'race' in a social not biological context- not physical abolition, but the abolition of social and economic privilege, you know? What communists stand for?

[SonofRage]

Originally posted by Ginger [email protected] 22 2005, 04:51 AM

I would urge members to be colourblind, and leave this whitey hatred behind.
In the final analysis, being "colorblind" means not challengin the status quo of white privilege.

[Ginger Goodwin]

I could sure use some of that white privilege, it seems to have eluded me my whole life.
Oh well.

Clearly, I have worn out my welcome. Good bye and good luck everyone.
:cool:

[VonClausewitz]

In the final analysis, being "colorblind" means not challengin the status quo of white privilege.

This is of course only true in some western nations. Ask a white farmer in Zimbabwe (if they haven't yet all been butchered) about "White Privilege", and I bet you'd be laughed at. We must keep this whole 'Whiteness' debate subjective to the areas it affects, otherwise it turns into just another non-sensical racial rant.

[bcbm]

Originally posted by [email protected] 23 2005, 12:53 AM
This is of course only true in some western nations. Ask a white farmer in Zimbabwe (if they haven't yet all been butchered) about "White Privilege", and I bet you'd be laughed at. We must keep this whole 'Whiteness' debate subjective to the areas it affects, otherwise it turns into just another non-sensical racial rant.
Wasn't it the minority of white farmers owning a ton of the land that led to the butchering in the first place?

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

As far as I know it, being colourblind means treating all "races" as if they were the same... which is what I try to do. How is this supporting the status quo? Especially when you consider that even in these reltively enlightened times institutional racism is still a problem.