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JudeObscure84
17th November 2005, 19:37
While everyone else in here is dazzled by the "freedom" fighters of the Iraqi Resistence, what is the majority opinion of the Kurdish Peshmerga?

Tupac-Amaru
17th November 2005, 19:50
All i know is that they collaborate with the Americans and fight side-by-side with them in nothern Iraq. And that they are trained by the IDF. NOT a good sign.

But, if they care for their people and the Kurdish cause, then i salute them, i fear however, that they are just a pawn in America and Israel's game.

Overall...i am neutral with regards to Peshmerga

JudeObscure84
17th November 2005, 20:00
well with a name like Tupac Amaru Im not sure just how neutral you can really be but eh...its your opinion. Anyways, I just wanted to know because they have been quite smeared in the left wing press as being the hiers to the "CIA death sqaud" or the "Salvador option".
One should also note that the Badr Brigades also fight alongside US troops even though there have been clashes between them and UK troops. So the resistence against the Coalition forces and the Iraqi Governing Council is now (after Sadr stepped down) mainly Sunni Triangle Baathist Sectarians and loyalists and Islamic fundamentalists.

I would think that truly democratically minded souls would bite thier lip and side with the US Marines and the Kurdish Peshmerga against the fascistic elements of the Iraqi Insurgency.

Guerrilla22
18th November 2005, 07:54
would think that truly democratically minded souls would bite thier lip and side with the US Marines and the Kurdish Peshmerga against the fascistic elements of the Iraqi Insurgency.

Yeah, because nothing says "democracy" like an occupation and subsequent collaboration. Seem familiar?

JudeObscure84
18th November 2005, 21:53
Yeah, because nothing says "democracy" like an occupation and subsequent collaboration. Seem familiar?

Until the Iraqi Governing Council convenes and the security has been established will there be occupation. But to deny the US by supporting Iraqi Resistense is to pro-long occupation. To pro long occupation means more civilian deaths, as reported by the Human Rights Watch, the majority of the war crimes are commited by the Insurgents.

These "freedom fighters" escalate tensions between the occupying force and the people of Iraq and then US media blames the attacks on US forces who shouldnt be there in the first place. Yet nothing is mentioned about the PRO-Imperialist intentions of the Baathist loyalists, Sunni Nationalists and Islamic Jiahdists that compromise the Insurgency.

Loknar
18th November 2005, 22:31
The Kurdish Peshmerga supposedly has Israeli advisors since Saddam's regime. It isn’t a bad thing considering what Saddam did to them.

Most of the old Iraqi's army's inventory (tanks, artillery ect..) was captured by this Kurdish military organization. They are by far the most professional native Iraqi military group. IF we left they could declare independence with out any problem while the Sunni and Shia destroy each other.

The Kurdish north has become prosperous under the American occupation. Kurdish TV also plays captured terrorist video of beheadings and apparently some homosexual activities that the terrorists take part in.

bcbm
18th November 2005, 22:48
Originally posted by [email protected] 17 2005, 02:05 PM
I would think that truly democratically minded souls would bite thier lip and side with the US Marines and the Kurdish Peshmerga against the fascistic elements of the Iraqi Insurgency.
Or we could support actual Iraqi leftists? <_<

JudeObscure84
18th November 2005, 22:55
Or we could support actual Iraqi leftists?

THe Iraqi COmmunist Party is in the IRaqi Governing Council. The SOcialist Party of Kurdistan is also in the COuncil and same with the KDP. The PM of Iraq is a communist.

Militant
19th November 2005, 06:14
Originally posted by [email protected] 18 2005, 11:00 PM

Or we could support actual Iraqi leftists?

THe Iraqi COmmunist Party is in the IRaqi Governing Council. The SOcialist Party of Kurdistan is also in the COuncil and same with the KDP. The PM of Iraq is a communist.
The PM? Wow, I got to look into that.

However, I know the ICP is one of the better run political parties in Iraq. They can claim the first post-Saddam newspaper, as well as being one of three (maybe two, actually) parties to run candidates for all districts and national posts.

That makes me kinda hopeful in the long run, that at least leadership has a support apparatus to spread the word.

However, if you think about it, if the USA is driven out by the jihadis, won&#39;t the communists, literally, be put to the sword? Could the USA be protecting the future framework for a socialist/communist government.

Ahh, the irony.

Militant
19th November 2005, 06:19
Originally posted by [email protected] 18 2005, 11:00 PM

Or we could support actual Iraqi leftists?

THe Iraqi COmmunist Party is in the IRaqi Governing Council. The SOcialist Party of Kurdistan is also in the COuncil and same with the KDP. The PM of Iraq is a communist.
The current PM is a member of the Dawa Islamic Party, which was formed by the father of al-Sadr.

Severian
19th November 2005, 09:07
Originally posted by [email protected] 18 2005, 05:00 PM

Or we could support actual Iraqi leftists?

THe Iraqi COmmunist Party is in the IRaqi Governing Council. The SOcialist Party of Kurdistan is also in the COuncil and same with the KDP. The PM of Iraq is a communist.
What are you talking about? The Iraqi Governing Council no longer exists. And as Militant says the Iraqi PM is a member of the Dawa party, a Shi&#39;a "fundamentalist" party supported by Iran.

JudeObscure84
20th November 2005, 06:56
What are you talking about? The Iraqi Governing Council no longer exists. And as Militant says the Iraqi PM is a member of the Dawa party, a Shi&#39;a "fundamentalist" party supported by Iran.


Jalal Talabani is the president of Iraq and he is a member of the PUK/KDP a leftist political movement which has progressively moved towards the centre and has now become a social democratic party and an observer member of the Socialist International.

Sorry for the mix up I meant Iraqi Transitional govt and President.

Severian
21st November 2005, 02:00
Originally posted by [email protected] 20 2005, 01:01 AM
Jalal Talabani is the president of Iraq and he is a member of the PUK/KDP a leftist political movement which has progressively moved towards the centre and has now become a social democratic party and an observer member of the Socialist International.
That&#39;s not much more accurate. The PUK and KDP are two different parties. They are, for all practical purposes, nationalist parties.

The PUK may be affiliated to the Socialist International, but so what? So was the French Socialist Party when it was supporting the massacre of Algerians and Vietnamese. So is Blair&#39;s Labour Party. So is the Israeli Labour Party which has presided over ethnic cleansing, torture, and the denial of the most basic human rights to Palestinians. So is the PRI, which ruled Mexico as a one-party state for decades. I could go on.

Both the PUK and KDP are profoundly venal, corrupt, patronage-based parties which do not stand for any principle at all, even Kurdish independence anymore. They even fought a civil war with each other, over nothing at all but power and patronage. One of them appealed to the Saddam Hussein regime for help against the other.

They&#39;ve also cooperated with the Turkish armed forces, the most vicious enemies of the Kurdish people, against the Kurdish Workers Party of Turkey.

Their support to the U.S. occupation of the rest of Iraq is in that tradition. It&#39;s also interesting to note that the one part of Iraq where there is strong support for the occupation....is the part where people don&#39;t have to live under occupation. Instead, they&#39;re under the same regime as before the invasion.

Militant
21st November 2005, 20:31
Originally posted by Tupac&#045;[email protected] 17 2005, 07:55 PM
And that they are trained by the IDF. NOT a good sign.
Why not? The IDF is a well trained killing machine. Which is the point of an armed forces, last I checked. Ergo, the Perhmerga was able to stave off Iraqi advances, at least post GW I.

Free Palestine
22nd November 2005, 04:34
Originally posted by [email protected] 21 2005, 08:36 PM
The IDF is a well trained children-killing machine.
Fixed.

Militant
22nd November 2005, 05:57
Originally posted by Free Palestine+Nov 22 2005, 04:39 AM--> (Free Palestine @ Nov 22 2005, 04:39 AM)
[email protected] 21 2005, 08:36 PM
The IDF is a well trained children-killing machine.
Fixed. [/b]
LOL&#33;&#33;

Jews training Muslims. Woulda thunk it.

Palies following the rules of engagement.

http://www.anti-cair-net.org/HamasHumanShields.gif

Free Palestine
22nd November 2005, 06:58
Pictures don&#39;t substitute for your inability to present an argument. "LOL&#33;&#33;" isn&#39;t a very convincing rebuff. Do you honestly think we can&#39;t (far more easily) post corresponding pictures of the disgusting IDF behaving insidiously?

What exactly are you trying to say here? That you think bombing or otherwise killing combatants in ostensibly civilian areas is OK? That it&#39;s their fault for putting themselves near civilians? So you must agree with the 9/11 attacks then. After all, there was a CIA office situated in the WTC.. Those fire fighters, service workers, and children were just "collateral damage" according to your logic. They shouldn&#39;t have situated it in an ostensibly civilian facility. <_<

Intifada
22nd November 2005, 15:32
Militant, that picture proves nothing.

But, if you wish to argue about "following the rules of engagement" then you should include the fact that Israel has been violating human rights and international law in the OPTs for decades.

Remember this (http://www.palestinemonitor.org/Other%20Updates/al_haq_israeli_forces_use_palestinian_child_human_ shield.htm) incident?

Here&#39;s a photo: