Read this great quote

[Rawthentic]

PLease read this quote and tell me what it means to you and what it could possibly be implying.

"The things we admire in men, kindness and generosity, openess, honesty, understanding and feeling are the concominants of failure in our system. And those we destest, sharpness, greed, acquisitiveness, meanness, egotism, and self-interest are the traits of success. And while men admire the quality of the first they love the produce of the second." -Doc, in Cannery Row by John Steinbeck

[Monty Cantsin]

That's a really bad quote. we dislike 'sharpness'? furthermore 'self-interest'? Don’t be so Christian.

[Delirium]

This quote all depends upon what you consider failure and what you consider sucess.

[JKP]

He's just referring to life in capitalism, which emphasizes things like greed. It's a pretty simple quote.

[Delirium]

Originally posted by [email protected] 17 2005, 01:43 AM
He's just referring to life in capitalism, which emphasizes things like greed. It's a pretty simple quote.
I understand that, people confuse wealth and power with sucess, which seems like an empty accomplishment to me.

[JKP]

Yeah, that's capitalism.

[ack]

I got a quote that's liek a million times better.
"I do not take drugs. I am drugs."
-Salvador Dali

[rioters bloc]

i love dali.

[YKTMX]

Dali - everyone's favourite Fascist.

[rioters bloc]

dali was a fascist???

i know nothing about him whatsoever. just majorly admire his art.

[YKTMX]

Dali, Fascist. (http://www.countercurrents.org/dali-navarro121203.htm)

[Lord Testicles]

Originally posted by [email protected] 17 2005, 02:05 PM
Dali - everyone's favourite Fascist.
well you lern something new everyday, mind you there was a lot of reactionarys to bolshevism in europe but thats no excuse to turn facist.

[YKTMX]

No, I don't suppose it is...

[DisIllusion]

People are afraid of Communism sometimes because of the capitalist media and end up turning to facism to combat it probably.

[Rawthentic]

Originally posted by Monty [email protected] 16 2005, 03:44 PM
That's a really bad quote. we dislike 'sharpness'? furthermore 'self-interest'? Don’t be so Christian.
im not a christian you mf. i didnt write it smart one. it simply describes capitalism. your an idiot

[Monty Cantsin]

hastalavictoria, that's flamming it's not an accepted practice on revleft.

I said ‘don’t be so Christian’ in the context of that quote, am I not talking about that quote? It’s a very Christian to view the world in a state of decay and corruption (so we all are to a degree) but to say that self-interest is a characteristic of capitalism is just plain stupid. Self-interest is a characteristic of human-beings not just capitalists.

[rioters bloc]

Originally posted by [email protected] 18 2005, 06:42 AM
Dali, Fascist. (http://www.countercurrents.org/dali-navarro121203.htm)
cuh-raaaaaZY!

[Rawthentic]

your right man. im sorry for my response comrade

[Comrade Yastrebkov]

"Self-interest is a characteristic of human-beings not just capitalists."

Can you prove that human characteristics exist?

[Magraheed]

Originally posted by Comrade [email protected] 20 2005, 09:09 PM
"Self-interest is a characteristic of human-beings not just capitalists."

Can you prove that human characteristics exist?
Lol No you cannot, but then whats the point in comming on a site to talk about it? why not kill yourself?

[fpeppett]

My favourite quote of all time "I understand HOW I do not understand WHY" 1984
But yeah the quote is good, a good quote about capatalism and the traits COMMONLY assocated with it.

[Rawthentic]

Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2005, 03:13 AM
My favourite quote of all time "I understand HOW I do not understand WHY" 1984
But yeah the quote is good, a good quote about capatalism and the traits COMMONLY assocated with it.
thanks alot man, some people think that this quote is idiotic because self- interest is a characteristic in all people. But what I am trying to show is that capitalism loves these characteristics which generate capital and wealth and eventually greed.

[Purple]

John Steinbeck was a huge fan of Determinalism, meaning a place in society where you are meant to be in the status that you have been born in! Just read "The Pearl", its full of political undertones.

[Rage]

Originally posted by [email protected] 17 2005, 02:11 PM
Dali - everyone's favourite Fascist.
Dali was not a Fascist. He was just not a Marxist. How does that make him a fascist?

and better quote by him: "I tried sex with a woman once, it was overated, I tried sex with a man once, it was painful"


/,,/
Rock on!

[Dimokratia]

When will people learn that Marxism (as in the hard stuff from Marx himself) is not a rejection of production!

It deifies labor as the only thing that makes us human. Capitialist Propoganda my ass, we need more capitialism, not less for the revolution to successfully take place. Besides the first half of the quote gives into the slavish ideology of Christianity.

It fails to put the issues into a Marxism light, therefore it simply runs abreast of it.

[metalero]

Originally posted by rioters [email protected] 17 2005, 09:02 AM
i love dali.
Dali? a reactionary artist who supported facsists in Spain?

[Correa]

Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2005, 02:13 AM
we need more capitialism, not less for the revolution to successfully take place.
Are you saying the more misery capitalism generates, the more people will want to overthrow the system? If so I agree, some people will just learn the hard way.

[Luís Henrique]

Dali was not a Fascist. He was just not a Marxist. How does that make him a fascist?

He may have not been a Fascist, but he certainly was far-rightist, and a Franco supporter.

That said, he still was a fantastic painter, and his paintings stand on themselves, not on his political positions.

Luís Henrique

[Dimokratia]

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2005, 07:55 AM
Are you saying the more misery capitalism generates, the more people will want to overthrow the system? If so I agree, some people will just learn the hard way.
I am saying that capitialism needs to take its full course in order for communism to come to be. The misery aspect is a part of it, but there is so much more.

Both the virtues and the vices of capitialism (which is not the worst system, or a very bad system, by the way, it certainly beats Merchantilism or Feudalism) will lead to its downfall and the transcendence to communism and the beginning of history.

So any half-measures with a hybirdization (or bastardazation) of a pseudo-communist policy just get in the way of the revolution.

[Correa]

Hmmmm.....

[redchrisfalling]

[QUOTE]Dimokratia Posted on Dec 4 2005, 09:21 PM
Both the virtues and the vices of capitialism (which is not the worst system, or a very bad system, by the way, it certainly beats Merchantilism or Feudalism)

Although i agree capitalism is not the "worst system it is a very bad system which we need to change as soon as possible.

[QUOTE]Dimokratia Posted on Dec 3 2005, 09:13 AM
we need more capitialism, not less for the revolution to successfully take place.

I think we have all the capitalism we need. What we need to do is educate the masses, a huge part of any capitalist system is keeping its people ignorant. If the people knew that there was a better way of liveing, if the people knew how much they were suffering, and how much of joke freewill was, we could have our revolution. We need more education not more suffering.

[Ol' Dirty]

I believe that this quote is about how people admire love, prosperity and hapiness, they would rather stay with greed and lust out of easiness.

Sad, but true.

Peace

[Comrada J]

Originally posted by Monty [email protected] 17 2005, 10:48 AM
we dislike 'sharpness'?
Sharper people are harder to influence, so it's a trait we would prefer to keep to our selves.