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communist fanatic
16th November 2005, 16:37
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/...as/13177087.htm (http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/world/americas/13177087.htm)



From The Miami Herald

Posted on Wed, Nov. 16, 2005


CUBA
Castro has Parkinson's disease, CIA has concluded
Two officials said the CIA is convinced that Cuban leader Fidel Castro suffers from Parkinson's disease. The agency has made a point of alerting U.S. policymakers.
BY PABLO BACHELET AND FRANCES ROBLES
[email protected]

WASHINGTON - The CIA has alerted policymakers over the potential eroding of Fidel Castro's health.

The CIA recently concluded that Cuban leader Fidel Castro suffers from Parkinson's disease and has warned U.S. policymakers to be ready for trouble if the 79-year-old ruler's health erodes over the next few years.

If true, the CIA's assessment of the nonfatal but debilitating condition would mean Castro may be entering a period where doctors say the symptoms grow more evident, medicines are less effective and mental functions start to deteriorate.

Although Castro's brother Raúl, head of the armed forces, has been anointed as his successor, Cuba analysts fear the possibility of a tumultuous period during which an incapacitated Castro refuses to give up power but can no longer project his overpowering personality to Cuba's 11 million people.

''For Fidel to start shaking in a real and substantial way -- in public -- sends quite a powerful message to people around the world,'' said Frank O. Mora, a professor of national security strategy at The National War College.

Rumors that Castro suffers from Parkinson's have been around since the mid-1990s. In 1998, he even jokingly challenged journalists to a pistol duel at 25 paces to show the steadiness of his hands.

But the Central Intelligence Agency began briefing senior members of the State Department and lawmakers about one year ago that its doctors had become convinced that Castro was diagnosed with the disease around 1998, said two longtime government officials familiar with the briefings. Both asked for anonymity because leaking the contents of the classified briefing could violate U.S. laws.

''About one year ago, we started seeing some pretty definitive stuff that he had Parkinson's,'' said one of them.

There has been no independent confirmation of Castro's illness, or any indication of how the CIA came to its conclusion. The State Department and the CIA declined to comment for this story.

But one State Department official said there is already evidence that Castro's abilities are fading noticeably. He is increasingly slurring his words and going off on tangents in public speeches, although he seems to have good days and bad days. Clearly, ''he is not the same person he was five years ago,'' added the official.

Others insist that Castro is fine, however. ''He enjoys excellent health,'' Ricardo Alarcón, president of Cuba's National Assembly, said last month after he was asked about Castro's failure to attend the Ibero-American summit in Spain.

Parkinson's symptoms include tremors, stiffness, difficulty with balance and muffled speech, although its exact manifestations vary according to the victim. High-profile individuals stricken with the disease include the late Pope John Paul II, former U.S. Attorney General Janet Reno, actor Michael J. Fox and boxer Muhammad Ali.

Dr. Carlos Singer, a Parkinson's expert at the University of Miami, said the disease on average cuts short the lifespan of a patient only by one or two years. ''The issue is not as much how long they can live, it is how much do they suffer in the process,'' he said.

The first five to eight years usually are ''manageable with relatively small doses of medication,'' Singer said. After that, symptoms such as stooped postures and difficulties with balance become more evident. And in the advanced stages, about 40 percent of patients develop what one specialist on the disease called ``basically an overall decline in cognitive functions.''

DRUG EASES SYMPTOMS

The main drug to ease the symptoms of the disease is levodopa, which replenishes the brain with the dopamine chemical that is deficient in Parkinson's. Patients can program their activities around the periods when the drug is taking effect, known to doctors as ''on periods.'' But over time, the drug loses its effectiveness.

''As the disease slowly progresses, the medications have to be taken more frequently, at higher doses,'' said Paul Larson, a neurosurgeon and Parkinson's specialist at the University of California, San Francisco. 'But you eventually reach a point where the patient is fluctuating between an `on period' and an 'off period' so frequently that you can't, in essence, keep up with just medications.''

Possible side effects of levodopa are involuntary movements and facial grimaces, as well as visual hallucinations. As both Parkinson's and the drug can cause blood pressure to drop, patients can sometimes faint, Singer said.

FAINTED, NODDED OFF

Castro has displayed some signs of ill health in recent years, though perhaps no worse than other 79-year-olds.

Castro fainted during a speech in a Havana suburb in 2001 and was seen almost collapsing during the inauguration of Argentine President Néstor Kirchner in 2003. A public tumble last year left him with a fractured knee and arm, and former Ecuador President Lucio Gutiérrez wrote in his recent book that he had to prop up a nodding-off Castro several times while sitting next to him at an international event.

Cuba watchers also noted Castro was not shown touring the areas of Havana hit by Hurricane Wilma, something out of character for a man who has personally managed every crisis in Cuba since taking power in early 1959, from the 1961 Bay of Pigs invasion to the Elián González affair in 2000.

For U.S. policymakers, the report that Castro may suffer from Parkinson's has sparked concerns about Cuba's political stability down the road.

''It's going to be harder for Fidel to go out and perform, and he's been performing the guerrilla theater for 50 years,'' said Brian Latell, a retired CIA analyst on Cuba. Latell is the author of After Fidel, a new book about Castro and his brother Raúl, the world's longest-serving defense minister and the sole designated successor of Castro.

LARGER QUESTIONS

Damián Fernández, director of Florida International University's Cuban Research Institute, said the larger questions are how Castro's subordinates would react to his mental or physical erosion, and how that could affect Raúl's role as Cuba's No. 2.

''I envision Raúl trying to forge key alliances with subordinates in the military and among civilians to rule very tightly,'' he said. ''But I don't know how this could sustain itself without delivering benefits'' to the Cuban people.

That's assuming that Raúl, 74, does not die before his brother. That would leave Fidel without a clear successor and the powerful military, now controlled by the younger brother, without a widely recognized or respected leader.

The result might be political turmoil as senior government officials jockey for power with a Fidel Castro too infirm to make vital decisions.

''The revolution could be hanging by a thread,'' Latell said.

But that may be some time away. During his recent TV interview with Argentine soccer star Diego Maradona, Castro said that rumors of his health were so frequent that ``the day that I die, nobody is going to believe it.''

bolshevik butcher
16th November 2005, 18:10
It's not like the day castro dies everyone in cubas gonna go yay for capitalism. Are these people really warped enough to see it all down to the pwoer of one man?

Severian
16th November 2005, 19:27
Yes, exactly. And if Fidel does have Parkinson's or another debilitating disease, and gradually has to retire from political activity, that just means a more gradual transistion of leadership, possibly beginning while Fidel still holds the presidency on paper.

Des
16th November 2005, 21:11
i'm so worried about whats going to happen to cuba after castro... i dont think the cuban people have a choice... america is gonna do what they want..

bolshevik butcher
16th November 2005, 21:13
How? Is castro holding up some mysterious forcefield?

Des
16th November 2005, 21:15
as soon as castro passes.. america is gonna rush in there.. the exiles etc will rush back

hopefully chavez etc can keep the yanks away..

what you think will happen dude?

Reds
16th November 2005, 21:26
I think you under estimate the power of the cuban people.

Gura
16th November 2005, 21:40
Originally posted by communist [email protected] 16 2005, 04:42 PM
From The Miami Herald
Should we really believe anything reported in the Miami Herald?


But one State Department official said there is already evidence that Castro's abilities are fading noticeably. He is increasingly slurring his words and going off on tangents in public speeches, although he seems to have good days and bad days. Clearly, ''he is not the same person he was five years ago,'' added the official.
That could also probably be attributed to old age.

Despite what the Miami Herald says about troubles with the transfer of power, the Cuban government is not going to *poof* collapse when Castro dies, nor will the Cubans simply allow it to collapse. Yes, Raul Castro is generally thought of as the immediate successor, but surely there are other plans, such as a long line of succession.
Should we really believe anything reported in the Miami Herald?

Edited for screwiness with the quotes.

Guerrilla22
16th November 2005, 21:57
Reagan had Alztheimers his entire presidency, still quite a few people thought he was absolutely great.

Des
16th November 2005, 22:12
the cubans dont like raul.. wonder how they will recieve him as president

novemba
16th November 2005, 22:33
i'm so worried about whats going to happen to cuba after castro... i dont think the cuban people have a choice... america is gonna do what they want..

i say we go defend it


the cubans dont like raul.. wonder how they will recieve him as president

further left revolution maybe?

Seven Stars
16th November 2005, 22:36
Why can't they elect a new president after Fidel dies? It should be the people's choice who the next president is.

Rockfan
16th November 2005, 22:52
yea well that would be the ideal thing but then whould he/she rain untill it was no longer possible for them.

chebol
16th November 2005, 23:17
How do you know the Cubans don't like Raul? All the ones I met seemed to be quite fond of him....

Nothing Human Is Alien
16th November 2005, 23:23
the cubans dont like raul.. wonder how they will recieve him as president

What exactly is this assertion based on?


Yes, Raul Castro is generally thought of as the immediate successor, but surely there are other plans, such as a long line of succession.

Raul would take over in the case of Fidel no longer being able to perform his duties. At the next election, either a new president would be chosen or Raul reelected.

Let's Talk About Cuban Democracy (http://www.freepeoplesmovement.org/ry/rys5b.html)
The Truth About Cuba (http://www.freepeoplesmovement.org/ry/rys5a.html)


Why can't they elect a new president after Fidel dies? It should be the people's choice who the next president is.

They will. See above.


Should we really believe anything reported in the Miami Herald?

No, we shouldn't. Nor should we believe the CIA.

Gura
17th November 2005, 02:17
Originally posted by [email protected] 16 2005, 11:28 PM

Yes, Raul Castro is generally thought of as the immediate successor, but surely there are other plans, such as a long line of succession.

Raul would take over in the case of Fidel no longer being able to perform his duties. At the next election, either a new president would be chosen or Raul reelected.
Just to clear up what I wrote, I was not excluding the idea of an election. What a meant was that in the case of Fidel no longer being able to serve, Raul would take over much as the VP takes over in the United States when something happens to the President. Because the possibility of Raul dying before or not long after Fidel was mentioned, I said they must have a line of succession that continues after Raul (In the US, if the Prez dies the VP takes over. If he cannot serve than the Speaker of the House takes over, etc.).

I'm not arguing, I realised my post might be someone vague and/or incoherent.

Guerrilla22
17th November 2005, 06:06
It will be interesting to see what happens after Castro dies, let's hope that isn't for a while.

cccpcommie
17th November 2005, 06:38
ill be there right after he dies..ill defend cuba

drain.you
17th November 2005, 08:19
I've always worried about Cuba. I hope it will be okay after Castro. I think I may have to cry a hell of alot when he dies, he is an amazing guy, right up there with Che and Trotsky in my opinion, though not as high as Lenin and Marx of course :P

[edit]
This is also worth a read,
>CLICK ME - BBC Story on the matter< (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4444454.stm)


In a recent TV interview with former football star turned chat show host Diego Maradona, Mr Castro joked the rumours were so many that the day he died, nobody would believe it.
Haha, good old Castro.

Severian
17th November 2005, 09:02
Originally posted by Gura+Nov 16 2005, 03:45 PM--> (Gura @ Nov 16 2005, 03:45 PM)
communist [email protected] 16 2005, 04:42 PM
From The Miami Herald
Should we really believe anything reported in the Miami Herald? [/b]
Yes. Not everything, but some things. The Miami Herald reports on Cuba in more detail than any other publication in this country, and can be a useful source of information...if you read it critically and keeping in mind its bias, as with anything else. That bias is extreme hostility to Cuba&#39;s revolutionary government, of course.

It was, for example, the Miami Herald which commissioned this Gallup poll of Cubans, (http://www.marxmail.org/facts/cuba_gallup.htm) which found that "Fifty-eight percent said they believe that the achievements of the Revolution -mainly education and health care- far outweighed its failures." &#39;Course the Herald apparently didn&#39;t like the result, and never commissioned another one. But they did report it the first time.

This article&#39;s probably truthful enough...that the officials said this. The CIA&#39;s assessments of Cuban events haven&#39;t always been so accurate, even leaving aside the possibility that it&#39;s deliberate disinformation.

communist fanatic
17th November 2005, 16:11
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10073070/

Noah
17th November 2005, 17:59
What would happen if Raul passes away before Fidel?

They are both quite old and I would be surprised if it did happen this way.

The Garbage Disposal Unit
17th November 2005, 18:11
Although Castro&#39;s brother Raúl, head of the armed forces, has been anointed as his successor, Cuba analysts fear the possibility of a tumultuous period during which an incapacitated Castro refuses to give up power but can no longer project his overpowering personality to Cuba&#39;s 11 million people.

This "Great Men" conception of how things work is why predictions made by the capitalist media are usually wrong.

drain.you
17th November 2005, 19:14
What would happen if Raul passes away before Fidel?
I&#39;ve never thought about that. How is Raul&#39;s health anyway? From history we know its never good to lose control of the armed forces so I hope a fellow leftie takes over Raul&#39;s position when he dies otherwise the likelyhood of a military coup increases a fair bit.

MeTaLhEaD
18th November 2005, 00:45
Aguante Fidel&#33;1&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;1


salud y vida para el

Nothing Human Is Alien
18th November 2005, 01:44
There are other leaders of course and a planned line of succession in case of such problems arrising.

You still have people like Ricardo Alarcon, Juan Almeida, Felipe Perez, etc.

Guerrilla22
18th November 2005, 07:23
Although Castro&#39;s brother Raúl, head of the armed forces, has been anointed as his successor, Cuba analysts fear the possibility of a tumultuous period during which an incapacitated Castro refuses to give up power but can no longer project his overpowering personality to Cuba&#39;s 11 million people.

Anti-Castro types always like to portray Castro as a power hungry tyrant who would sacrifice Cuba&#39;s well being for control.

bcbm
18th November 2005, 09:33
Castro mocks Parkinson&#39;s report

By Stephen Gibbs
BBC News, Havana

Cuban President Fidel Castro has portrayed as wishful thinking reports from the United States that he is suffering from Parkinson&#39;s Disease.

In a speech lasting over five hours, he said he felt fine and remarked that his ideological enemies had declared him dead on several previous occasions.

On Wednesday, a Miami newspaper said the CIA recently concluded that Mr Castro is showing signs of Parkinson&#39;s.

CIA experts made the diagnosis after analysing his public appearances.

Stamina

In front of a group of Havana University students, Fidel Castro, looking fit and in good spirits, mocked the latest reports that he is suffering from a debilitating illness.

He said he had never felt better and although he did not issue an outright denial that he had Parkinson&#39;s disease, the fact that he stood and delivered a wide-ranging speech for several hours appeared to be designed to make a point.

The president&#39;s health has been the subject of speculation for much of his 46 years in power.

He is now 79 and his occasional brief lapses in concentration during speeches do heighten the speculation.

But Cuban officials say that those close to the veteran leader can only marvel at his stamina - and Fidel Castro himself says that anyone who hopes that the Cuban revolution will come to an end when he dies will be proved wrong.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4448048.stm

Guerrilla22
18th November 2005, 23:52
HAVANA - Fidel Castro railed against corrupt workers he said have become the "new rich" in Cuba by stealing gasoline and other goods from the state and scoffed at reports of his failing health in a far-ranging speech that stretched into the early hours Friday.



"How many ways there are to steal in this country&#33;" Castro exclaimed during the nationally televised address, which lasted 5 1/2 hours.

The Cuban president also dismissed reports that some U.S. officials believe he suffers from Parkinson&#39;s disease — and stretched out a steady arm for the camera as proof. "Look at the Parkinson&#39;s&#33;" he said sarcastically.

Castro, who turns 80 next August, said that after nearly 47 years in power, he feels "better than ever" and would ask the ruling Communist Party to replace him if he felt too ill to govern.

Dressed in his trademark olive green military uniform, Castro told students at the University of Havana, who were celebrating his studies there 60 years ago, that he counted on the nation&#39;s youth to help fight corruption.

Cuban doctors traveling around the world to help disaster victims earn just a fraction "of the thieves who sell gasoline to the new rich," Castro said. "We have to vanquish these deviations ... or we die."

Castro has used the term "new rich" several times in recent weeks to accuse owners of private restaurants and other self-employed workers of persuading state workers to steal state goods so they can buy them. Stolen state goods, ranging from sausage and milk to office supplies, are commonly sold on the black market, as well.

The Cuban president&#39;s speech came as his communist government is further squeezing the already tiny private sector in Cuba, increasing controls over farmers markets, private restaurants and a dwindling number of self-employed trades people and artisans.

Castro said disadvantaged young people recruited several years to become social workers are now replacing state employees in jobs considered especially vulnerable to theft and corruption.

State-run neighborhood watch and other government support groups will also help by forming "cells" in the anti-corruption fight, Castro said.

Pilfering of state goods is so common that many Cubans don&#39;t consider it theft, calling it another form of "resolver" — a street expression meaning "to resolve" one&#39;s daily needs.

The party&#39;s provincial weekly newspaper Tribuna de Havana reported this week that 36 produce trucks bound for farmers markets were recently seized because growers were selling goods for personal profit before fulfilling state quotas.

At Havana&#39;s Cuatro Caminos farmers market, vendors said government inspectors were checking prices and produce daily. They said numerous produce trucks attempting deliveries from neighboring provinces have been seized in recent days.

Tribuna also reported on a recent municipal meeting where leaders discussed corruption in the state-controlled housing sector. Residents are said to use bribes to gain preferential treatment for a limited number of homes.

During a severe economic crisis caused by the Soviet Union&#39;s collapse in the 1990s, Cuba&#39;s communist government allowed "free" farmers markets to reopen, licensed a limited number of self-employed workers and authorized private restaurants.

Cuba&#39;s leaders always viewed the modest economic reforms of the last decade as temporary measures needed to feed the country during hard times.

Last year, they reasserted more centralized authority over the economy, which is already about 95 percent government-controlled. The U.S. dollar, used as common tender for 11 years, was removed from circulation and replaced with a Cuban currency.

Though new figures on self-employed workers are unavailable, their ranks fell from about 200,000 in this nation of 11.2 million people in 1995 to around 150,000 in 2001. More than a year ago, the government stopped licensing new self-employed workers in many categories.

Castro&#39;s speech was part of a celebration to mark the start of his law studies at the University of Havana 60 years ago. Castro&#39;s designated successor has long been his younger brother, 74-year-old Defense Minister Raul Castro.

metalero
19th November 2005, 00:33
Originally posted by [email protected] 17 2005, 08:49 PM
There are other leaders of course and a planned line of succession in case of such problems arrising.

You still have people like Ricardo Alarcon, Juan Almeida, Felipe Perez, etc.
I would go with Felipe Perez, Cuba&#39;s foreign minister.

norwegian commie
19th November 2005, 00:52
ill be there right after he dies..ill defend cuba
cool, ill join...
just wondering... this sounds like just talk, is it?
i am at least going to try and gather an aktivist group and travel to Cuba

Commies today are all talk and no walk, so im going to try to set an example&#33;

Ownthink
19th November 2005, 02:01
^ What would be really sweet would be if Cuba and Venezuela created a Red Army and merged forces to defend socialism, and commies from the world over would flock to militantly defend Socialism.


Those hundred thousand AK&#39;s Chavez bought must be used for something.

Correa
20th November 2005, 07:36
AKs are made to cap cappies from origin&#33; :hammer: :che: :cuba: :castro:

Tekun
21st November 2005, 22:35
^Without a doubt, an AK is an effective cappie killer

Castro has been planning for his demise for a long time
He&#39;s got everything planned and ready to go when he dies
His successor and plans to defend Cuba from American aggression
The guy&#39;s an intellectual, there&#39;s no way Cuba&#39;s gonna get caught off guard when he dies - kinda like the way they were ready at the Bay of Pigs

I would like to see elections in Cuba, Im not too thrilled by Raul automatically taking power just for the simple fact that power, in a socialist state, should not be transferred from one family member to the other - seems to monarchical

And who&#39;s gonna believe the CIA and its doctors??
Here&#39;s an organization that, for years, has attempted to kill Castro
Personally I don&#39;t believe, its just a mechanism that they&#39;re willing to use to gain momentum and support from those ignorant scumbags in Miami

That Red Army idea is tight&#33;
I&#39;d join ;)

Viva Cuba y Viva Fidel :cuba: