Your National Guard at "work"

[redstar2000]

Do you ever wonder what the U.S. National Guard is up to in places like Iraq, Afghanistan, Colombia, etc. -- when they're not just killing civilians, that is.

Here's a little hint...


Originally posted by New Orleans Times-Picayune
National Guardsmen arrested for looting

Two Louisiana National Guardsmen were arrested Monday after they were seen carrying boxes of liquor from a flooded home in the affluent Eastover community in eastern New Orleans, police said.

The soldiers were loading the box into the rear cargo area a humvee, where two other boxes of apparently purloined booze already were stored, officers said.

Seventh District New Orleans Police Capt. Bob Bardy said the detention of Sgt. Glen Wallace and Sgt. George Babers marks the second time police have stumbled across apparent looting by National Guard soldiers, a dismaying development in a city that remains dependent on military patrols to prevent theft in vast stretches of vacant neighborhoods.

“If you can’t trust the National Guard, who can you trust?” said Morgan, who has lived on Eastover Drive for eight years.

http://www.nola.com/newslogs/breakingtp/in..._14.html#093820 (http://www.nola.com/newslogs/breakingtp/index.ssf?/mtlogs/nola_Times-Picayune/archives/2005_11_14.html#093820)

We know from history that plunder has always been one of the recognized "rights" of a mercenary army.

I expect that the U.S. National Guard "carries on the tradition" in all the hapless lands that suffer its presence.

And now they've brought the tradition "home". :lol:

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[Bugalu Shrimp]

These guys deserve a beer after a hard days work cleaning up filth, human or otherwise...

[Xvall]

But all those other looters need to be arrested or fired upon for their henious crimes, I suppose.

[Capitalist Lawyer]

Back from the gulags, eh redstar? I didn't think you would survive, but I'm glad to see that you're alive comrade.

Court martial the bastards, and be done with it. If they're guilty, I hope they share a cell with certain NOPD personnel.

However, noted, that it's good to see that the NOPD are back patrolling the streets again.

So, really, you would condemn all the good the NG does, because of the inappropriate actions of a few of it's members?

[Capitalist Imperial]

Originally posted by [email protected] 15 2005, 10:34 PM
But all those other looters need to be arrested or fired upon for their henious crimes, I suppose.
No, the thugs carrying guns needed to be fired on, such as the one's firing at a rescue helicopter. No one reasonable was suggesting that looters be shot on site.

Give these guys a break. They were doing a thankless job for many people who could have avoided being caught in the aftermath in the 1st place (not all, but many).

[Capitalist Imperial]

Originally posted by [email protected] 15 2005, 04:17 PM
Do you ever wonder what the U.S. National Guard is up to in places like Iraq, Afghanistan, Colombia, etc. -- when they're not just killing civilians, that is.


Come on, Redstar, still up to your old cheap shots, eh?

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Are you denying that the US army kills civilians?

[Xvall]

Actually, the people who were "firing at helicopters" were apparently just firing in the air to try and get their attention (not firing at the helicopters themselves) because they were just hovering above them and not doing anything.

[Bugalu Shrimp]

Originally posted by [email protected] 16 2005, 04:05 AM
Actually, the people who were "firing at helicopters" were apparently just firing in the air to try and get their attention (not firing at the helicopters themselves) because they were just hovering above them and not doing anything.
Not really the best way of highlighting one's plight.. Live rounds, confusion...

[Black Dagger]

Give these guys a break. They were doing a thankless job for many people who could have avoided being caught in the aftermath in the 1st place (not all, but many).

But people who steal out of poverty don't deserve a break do they? Where is your empathy for them?

[Capitalist Imperial]

Originally posted by [email protected] 16 2005, 02:45 AM
Are you denying that the US army kills civilians?
Collateral damage occurs, yes, but the US Army is under a strict mandate to avoid these unfortunate incidentals whenever possible.

The modern day US army certainly does not purposefully kill innocent civilians for no reason.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Originally posted by [email protected] 16 2005, 04:05 AM
Actually, the people who were "firing at helicopters" were apparently just firing in the air to try and get their attention (not firing at the helicopters themselves) because they were just hovering above them and not doing anything.
Come on, Xvall, get serious.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Originally posted by Black [email protected] 16 2005, 12:21 PM


Give these guys a break. They were doing a thankless job for many people who could have avoided being caught in the aftermath in the 1st place (not all, but many).

But people who steal out of poverty don't deserve a break do they? Where is your empathy for them?
I have significant empathy for the impoverished and disenfranchised.

[violencia.Proletariat]

Originally posted by Capitalist Imperial+Nov 16 2005, 07:58 PM--> (Capitalist Imperial @ Nov 16 2005, 07:58 PM)
[email protected] 16 2005, 02:45 AM
Are you denying that the US army kills civilians?
Collateral damage occurs, yes, but the US Army is under a strict mandate to avoid these unfortunate incidentals whenever possible.

The modern day US army certainly does not purposefully kill innocent civilians for no reason. [/b]
what is modern to you? within the past 50 years or like the past 10?

[captain donald]

Collateral damage occurs, yes, but the US Army is under a strict mandate to avoid these unfortunate incidentals whenever possible.

The modern day US army certainly does not purposefully kill innocent civilians for no reason.

The army continually blows up neighborhoods in its current "war" to kill terrorists. Some how, although, the number of civilians who become casualties outweigh the number of terrorists who were actually hit. There trying real fucking hard not to blow up innocent men, women, children, BABIES. And in New Orleans, what happened to the people who were "stealing" a mattress. Oh and the four "car jackers" trying to escape who were murdered.

Shit man, how come where shooting at people because the human species will almost always do whatever they can in a situation to live?

OH BECAUSE CAPITALISM, AMERICANISM, and CHRISTIAN SUPREMACY are all more fucking important?

puke.

[Xvall]

Originally posted by Capitalist Imperial+Nov 16 2005, 11:59 PM--> (Capitalist Imperial @ Nov 16 2005, 11:59 PM)
[email protected] 16 2005, 04:05 AM
Actually, the people who were "firing at helicopters" were apparently just firing in the air to try and get their attention (not firing at the helicopters themselves) because they were just hovering above them and not doing anything.
Come on, Xvall, get serious. [/b]
I am serious. This is what I've been hearing. I don't know what kind of dumbass would actually try to take out a helicopter with a pistol.

[Hiero]

Let's say that the US army doesn't intentend to kill civilians. However the US foreign policy does kills thousands of people with that excact purpose, and thousands more which may not be directly intended. Such things as sanctions is a big killer for the people of the 3rd world.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Originally posted by [email protected] 17 2005, 03:29 AM
Let's say that the US army doesn't intentend to kill civilians. However the US foreign policy does kills thousands of people with that excact purpose, and thousands more which may not be directly intended. Such things as sanctions is a big killer for the people of the 3rd world.
Bullshit! US foereign policy has been a benevolent source of progress for the world, even if there are some incidental casualties along the way. Besides, lets not kid ourselves, most places in which the US is active abroad are areas in which tribal factions and opposition groups are killing each other anyway. The US doesn't bring anything new to the table in this respect.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Originally posted by captain [email protected] 17 2005, 12:55 AM


Shit man, how come where shooting at people because the human species will almost always do whatever they can in a situation to live?

OH BECAUSE CAPITALISM, AMERICANISM, and CHRISTIAN SUPREMACY are all more fucking important?

puke.

The army continually blows up neighborhoods in its current "war" to kill terrorists.

Lets not kid ourselves, as much as you would like it to be true in the interest of your agenda, the US is not, "continually" as you put it, indiscrimitately blowing up neigborhoods. This is quite a broad comment, Dnaold, and innacurate at that.


Some how, although, the number of civilians who become casualties outweigh the number of terrorists who were actually hit.

I wouldn't be surprised if tis was true, the insurgent scum typically hide behind civilians in their typical pussy fashion.


There trying real fucking hard not to blow up innocent men, women, children, BABIES.

Nice emotional appeal fallacy. I especially lked how you capitalized babies. The only ones prolonging the suffering of Iraq are the insurgents, period.



And in New Orleans, what happened to the people who were "stealing" a mattress. Oh and the four "car jackers" trying to escape who were murdered.

I didn't hear about the mattress story, and carjacking is a violent and deadly crime. There is no love lost here for carjackers, they get exactly what they deserve, you violent criminal sympathizer.


Shit man, how come where shooting at people because the human species will almost always do whatever they can in a situation to live?

Dude, that's not America, that's humanity.



OH BECAUSE CAPITALISM, AMERICANISM, and CHRISTIAN SUPREMACY are all more fucking important?

What does Christianityy have to do with this? I'm an atheist. This isn't about capitalism, either. This statement seems quite broad and devoid of context.

[Hiero]

Originally posted by Capitalist Imperial+Nov 17 2005, 03:40 PM--> (Capitalist Imperial @ Nov 17 2005, 03:40 PM)
[email protected] 17 2005, 03:29 AM
Let's say that the US army doesn't intentend to kill civilians. However the US foreign policy does kills thousands of people with that excact purpose, and thousands more which may not be directly intended. Such things as sanctions is a big killer for the people of the 3rd world.
Bullshit! US foereign policy has been a benevolent source of progress for the world, even if there are some incidental casualties along the way. Besides, lets not kid ourselves, most places in which the US is active abroad are areas in which tribal factions and opposition groups are killing each other anyway. The US doesn't bring anything new to the table in this respect. [/b]
The US often plays these "tirbal" and opposition groups to their own benifit.

Also why did you say "Bullshit!", then at the end say "The US doesn't bring anything new to the table in this respect.". Do you or do you not agree the US foreign policy has killed thousands of thousands of people?

[Capitalist Lawyer]

Just another "drive-by" flame thread courtesy of the Redstar.

Or did he get sent back to the gulags again?