Site on Che's Murders

[peru_anny]

159 CUBANS EXECUTED BY CHE GUEVARA
This list was compiled by Dr. Armando Lago for his upcoming book THE HUMAN COST OF SOCIAL REVOLUTIONS. Each person has been documented by two or more independent sources including books and newspapers.

"Hatred as an element of the struggle; a relentless hatred of the enemy, impelling us above and beyond the natural limitations that man is heir to, and transforming him into an effective, violent, seductive and cold killing machine." Che Guevara

EXECUTED BY CHE IN THE SIERRA MAESTRA MOUNTAINS
ARUSTIDIO
MANUEL CAPITAN
JUAN CHANG
EUTIMIO GUERRA
DIONISIO LEBRIGIO
JUAN LEBRIGIO
"EL NEGRO" NAPOLES
CHICHO OSORIO
TWO "UNIDENTIFIED'' ON APRIL 1957

EXECUTED BY CHE IN SANTA CLARA CITY
RAMON ALBA
JOSE BARROSO
JOAQUIN CASILLAS LUMPUY
FELIX CRUZ
HECTOR MIRABAL
J. MIRABAL
FELIX MONTANO
CORNELIO ROJAS
ALEJANDRO GARCIA OLAYON
ALEJANDRO ROJAS
VILALLA

EXECUTED BY CHE AT LA CABAÑA PRISON IN HAVANA
VILAU ABREU
HUMBERTO AGUIAR
GERMAN AGUIRRE
PELAYO ALAYON
JOSE LUIS ALFARO
PEDRO ALFARO
MARIANO ALONSO
JOSE ALVARO
ANIELLA
MARIO ARES POLO
JOSE RAMON BACALLAO
CEVERINO BARRIOS
EUGENIO BECKER
FRANCISCO BECKER
RAMON BISCET
ROBERTO CALZADILLA
EUFEMIO CANO
JUAN CAPOTE FIALLO
ANTONIO CARRALERO
GERTRUDIS CASTELLANOS
JOSE CASTAÑO QUEVEDO
RAUL CASTAÑO
EUFEMIO CHALA
JOSE CHAMACE
JOSE CHAMIZO
RAUL CLAUSELL
ANGEL CLAUSELL
DEMETRIO CLAUSELL
JOSE CLAUSELL
ELOY CONTRERAS
ROBERTO CORBO
EMILIO CRUZ
JUAN FELIPE CRUZ
ORESTES CRUZ
HUMBERTO CUEVAS
GERARDO CUNI ARANA
ANTONIO DE BECHE
MATEO DELGADO
ARMANDO DELGADO
RAMON DESPAIGNE
JOSE DIAZ CABEZAS
ANTONIO DUARTE
RAMON FERNANDEZ OJEDA
RUDY FERNANDEZ
FERRAN ALFONSO
SALVADOR FERRERO
VICTOR FIGUEREDO
EDUARDO FORTE
UGARDE GALAN
RAFAEL GARCIA MUÑIZ
ADALBERTO GARCIA
ALBERTO GARCIA
JACINTO GARCIA
EVELIO GASPAR
ARMADO GIL
JOSE GONZALEZ MALAGON
EVARISTO GONZALEZ
EZEQUIEL GONZALEZ
SECUNDINO GONZALEZ
RICARDO LUIS GRAU
OSCAR GUERRA
JULIAN HERNANDEZ
FRANCISCO HERNANDEZ LEYVA (father of Pepe Hernandez)
ANTONIO HERNANDEZ
GERARDO HERNANDEZ
OLEGARIO HERNANDEZ
SECUNDINO HERNANDEZ
JESUS INSUA
ENRIQUE IZQUIERDO
OSMIN JORRIN
SILVINO JUNCO
ENRIQUE LAROSA
IGNACIO LAAAPARRA
JESUS LAZO
ARIEL LIMA LAGO
RAUL LOPEZ VIDAL
ARMANDO MAS
ENERLIO MATA
ELPIDIO MEDEROS
JOSE MEDINAS
JOSE MESA
FIDEL MESQUIA
JUAN MILIAN
FRANCISCO MIRABAL
LUIS MIRABAL
ERNESTO MORALES
PEDRO MOREJON
DR. CARLOS MUIÑO
CESAR NECOLARDES ROJAS
VICTOR NECOLARDES ROJAS
JOSE NUÑEZ
VITERBO O'RREILLY
FELIX OVIEDO
MANUEL PANEQUE
PEDRO PEDROSO
RAFAEL PEDROSO
DIEGO PEREZ CUESTA
JUAN PEREZ
DIEGO PEREZ CRELA
JOSE POZO
EMILIO PUEBLA
ALFREDO PUPO
SECUNDINO RAMIREZ
RAMON RAMOS
PABLO RAVELO
RUBEN REY
MARIO RISQUELME
FERNANDO RIVERA
PABLO RIVERA
MANUEL RODRIGUEZ
MARCOS RODRIGUEZ
NEMESIO RODRIGUEZ
PABLO RODRIGUEZ
RICARDO RODRIGUEZ
JOSE SALDARA
PEDRO SANTANA
SERGIO SIERRA
JUAN SILVA
FAUSTO SILVA
ELPIDIO SOLER
JESUS SOSA BLANCO
RENATO SOSA
SERGIO SOSA
PEDRO SOTO
OSCAR SUAREZ
RAFAEL TARRAGO
TEODORO TELLEZ
FRANCISCO TELLEZ
JOSE TIN
FRANCISCO TRAVIESO
LEONARDO TRUJILLO
TRUJILLO
LUPE VALDES
MARCELINO VALDES
ANTONIO VALENTIN
MANUEL VAZQUEZ
VERDECIA
DAMASO ZAYAS

anybody understand anything about this?

[KC]

whats your question?

[peru_anny]

is this real? thats my question is there any sense of truth?

[KC]

Probably. They're justified.

[peru_anny]

i didnt know about any of this. Im new and just learning so do you know why he killed all these people?

[KC]

Well, the majority of those killed in Bolivia are for dissent, defection, etc... Crimes punishable by death in many circumstances. Most of those (if not all) are explained in his Bolivian diary.

Cabana prison is because they were tried and found guilty of a crime that was punishable by death.

The rest, however, I have no idea. What's Santa Clara City?

[Master Che]

When will they write a book about all the slaying's men like samuel adams committed?

[Wanted Man]

Lazar, this is about Cubans. Santa Clara is a place in Cuba.

Anyway, it's understandable if figures and the like about the people that Che had shot can be disturbing for comrades who hadn't quite expected this. So, we have to delve into the backgrounds of these executions.

Place yourself into Cuba, right after the revolution. There are thousands of people who have previously cooperated with the Batista government, and the people are screaming for their blood. These collaborators have no doubt been responsible for a great many extrajudicial executions, torture and undescribable exploitation. Would it really be remotely just to let the people whose families and friends have been tortured, see that the perpetrators are only given a prison sentence or less?

While I think the death penalty should be avoided if possible, we have to look at the situation in context: an unpopular government has just been overthrown, however, its supporters can launch a bid to restore it at any time.
Many of Batista's supporters fled to Miami with their money. These people alone managed to get the Bay of Pigs Invasion going, which would have killed the revolution if not for the resolve of the Cuban people. So would it really be safe for the Cuban government to let the same kind of people within the country go free, or to put them in jail where they might use misinformation and gossip to incite a prison uprising?

Finally, think of the safety of these people themselves. While it can be said that they "deserve" the things they have done to people, thankfully the revolutionary government of Cuba cannot be said to have made itself guilty of extrajudicial executions or torture. If these people hadn't been arrested, the average Cuban would have done something quite a lot more horrible to them than the firing squad. At least now they got a fair trial in which the evidence was presented against them, and they didn't have to die the same way their victims did(even the rather anti-Castro movie "Fidel" depicts an eyeball being ripped out during an interrogation under Batista's government).

Again, I am by no means "in favour" of the death penalty, but at least we can say that the executions performed by the Cuban Revolution were done legally and with a good reason for it; quite a difference from Gitmo and Abu Ghraib(and countless of nameless torture chambers) where people have their most fundamental rights violated because they might be terrorists. People who get tortured to death without a trial, and without any evidence or case against them.

[Simotix]

Originally posted by [email protected] 14 2005, 07:40 PM
The rest, however, I have no idea. What's Santa Clara City?
Santa Clara is in Cuba. They have a very nice statue of Che Guevara there.

There is some significance to Santa Clara to Che but I forget what, I believe where he landed first for the July 26 movement? Probably wrong.

Anyway, those murders were justified. He killed war criminals and deserters. Same thing americans use to/still do.

[gewehr_3]

Also its not like Che took pleasure in killing deserters. he had other people do it because he couldnt

[Tekun]

Whats the point of stating all those who deserved to be killed?

Its not like Che murdered innocent civilians
He executed those that needed to be executed in order to preserve the uplift of the people he fought for

A revolution is bloody and violent, if its not, then its not a revolution

[Wanted Man]

No doubt, but to seek blood and violence unnecessarily will be like stooping down to the level of the bourgeoisie. A revolution is as violent as the bourgeois reactionaries make it.

[TupacAndChe4Eva]

People make me laugh when they talk of a "Bloodless Revolution".

If you believe anyone will give even a single inch in Political terms without Violence, then you are mistaken.

Many of those executed were tried by Revolutionary Courts, and were found guilty.

Personally, I have only ever heard of Che exacuting two person in the Sierra Maestra, René Cuervo, who was a rapist, and a man whose name escapes me. Che shot the second man in the temple, immediately killing him.

[el-che]

Thats a remarkably short list - I wonder how long Tony Blairs is and im not even going to imagine the number of names on GWBs.

Revolution without violence would be evolution.

[Tekun]

Originally posted by el-[email protected] 15 2005, 12:30 PM
Thats a remarkably short list - I wonder how long Tony Blairs is and im not even going to imagine the number of names on GWBs.

Revolution without violence would be evolution.
Revolution without violence would be evolution, I like that bro!! ;)

[KC]

Thats a remarkably short list - I wonder how long Tony Blairs is and im not even going to imagine the number of names on GWBs.

Not that long considering Bush is just a figurehead.

[Big Boss]

One fact that everybody overlooks is that almost every condemed criminal accepted his sentence as a right one according to their actions. Each and everyone of them deserved what they got, eventhough I'm not really in favor of the death penalty. Have you guys seen the videos of the public trials? It's a sad thing to see a kid pointing to the man that killed and tortured his parents. :angry:

[Fidel Follower]

2PacAdChe4eva lol :D Hummm a great revolutionary, and 2pac..the gangster, heheh good name?

Is is serious? :hammer:

[Janus]

[QUOTE]There is some significance to Santa Clara to Che but I forget what, I believe where he landed first for the July 26 movement? Probably wrong.

Of course, Santa Clara is significant to Che and the Cuban Revolution. It was and may still be the second largest city in Cuba. The liberation of this city Che in 1959 probably signified the end of the Baptista regime. Since there were still many enemies within the city, Che was probably forced to administer revolutionary justice.

[el-che]

Originally posted by [email protected] 14 2005, 08:04 PM
When will they write a book about all the slaying's men like samuel adams committed?
Or indeed a set of books to name and commemorate the millions upon millions killed by America in every corner of the world, in the name of "freedom".

[Big Boss]

Originally posted by el-che+Nov 22 2005, 03:01 AM--> (el-che @ Nov 22 2005, 03:01 AM)
[email protected] 14 2005, 08:04 PM
When will they write a book about all the slaying's men like samuel adams committed?
Or indeed a set of books to name and commemorate the millions upon millions killed by America in every corner of the world, in the name of "freedom". [/b]
From the Native Americans and to this day. It's good to keep the tradition alive!

[MexAmLeft]

Originally posted by Fidel [email protected] 21 2005, 08:41 PM
2PacAdChe4eva lol :D Hummm a great revolutionary, and 2pac..the gangster, heheh good name?

Is is serious? :hammer:
come on now, saying tupac was a gangster is like saying che was a terrorist dont be ignorant

[Fidel Follower]

Come on! :lol: You can hardly belive in what Che stood for and well......2pac! Its comic! Its like saying i belive in Marx and...G Unit!

[Wanted Man]

And who are you to speak badly of someone like Tupac? I guess you're one of those haters of western culture who think rappers are all mysoginistic shitheads who have no real message.

[Fidel Follower]

In a nut shell, YES Most of them talk about how their "players" are doing and how they have some "*****es" in their "low riders".

It really is awful.....:hammer:

[KGB5097]

I'm sure that somewhere, someone kept a record of all the people Che killed....

Yeah right, give me a damn break.... first off, the man was a soldier. You expect him not to have a body count? Secondly he was involved in a coup/revolution, you expect his hands to be blood free? Even if that list there is accurate its nothing compaired to the numbers of some of the LEADERS currently in power around the world right now...

I mean, common folks. You think Castro never shot anyone? Even the fucking American first lady killed someone before...... (When she was 17 she killed someone drunk driving, and never served a minute in jail for it).

6 billion people on this planet and there are folks who complain about 1/100000000th of the population of the world that was killed under political circumstances....

[Wanted Man]

Have you ever even read the lyrics of some rappers?


Fuck you to the San Francisco police department
Fuck you to the Marin County Sheriff department
Fuck you to the F.B.I
Fuck you to the C.I.A
Fuck you to the B-u-s-h
Fuck you to the AmeriKKKa
Fuck you to all you redneck prejudice muthafuckas

But yeah, I guess it's terrible when blacks express themselves about their oppression. :rolleyes:

[Vallegrande]

Col. Cornelio Rojas, the former Batista Chief of Secret Police, was executed without trial. This was because of the torturing and murders that took place under his command before and during the revolution.

[Big Boss]

Let's face it guys, these executions were given to people that deserved it. Even the executions themselves were not a policy of the revolutionary goverment but the complete will of the Cuban people!! :che: :castro: :cuba:

[Colombia]

I think we are in full agreement with that.

[Leif]

Believe it or not, rap goes beyond 'pimping *****es', if you think all rap is like that , I suggest you stop watching MTV.

[Fidel Follower]

really? WOW, well you learn something new every day... :huh:

So what are these artist that no dont shout about "pimping *****s" and the like...i have never come across a raper that doesnt talk utter shit?
Is it just me....so if you give me the names of theses rapersi will look them up and listen to their songs..Thanks

I wont hold my Breath..:hammer:

[Colombia]

Dead Prez
Immortal Technique
X Clan
Public Enemy
Talib Kweli

[Fidel Follower]

Cheers comrade, i will tell you what i think :hammer:

[Counter revolutionary]

Originally posted by Big [email protected] 29 2005, 01:03 PM
Let's face it guys, these executions were given to people that deserved it. Even the executions themselves were not a policy of the revolutionary goverment but the complete will of the Cuban people!! :che: :castro: :cuba:
Of course, counter revolutionaries who have opposing views should always be executed, they could stop the revolution.
Well... at least when it's a Communist, or Marxist revolution, when anyone else does it they're awful, murderous Fascists.

[Counter revolutionary]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2005, 01:14 PM
6 billion people on this planet and there are folks who complain about 1/100000000th of the population of the world that was killed under political circumstances....
Hahaha, I love it.
I could use the EXACT same thing to defend Hitler. I mean, what about all of the good things he did? And there was barely anyone he killed compared to the population of the world.

[fernando]

If I recall correctly most of the people executed after the Cuban Revolution received a trail...

Cant this sort of be compared to what happened to the Nazis and their sympathisers in Europe after WWII?

[Counter revolutionary]

Originally posted by [email protected] 9 2006, 02:25 PM
If I recall correctly most of the people executed after the Cuban Revolution received a trail...

Cant this sort of be compared to what happened to the Nazis and their sympathisers in Europe after WWII?
I've heard nothing of all of these trials.
I don't deny that there were trials, but HE had quite a bit of people killed that HE accused of being some form of 'counter revolutionary' wether it be a deserter of the revolution, or a spy.

[Counter revolutionary]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2005, 01:14 PM
Even the fucking American first lady killed someone before...... (When she was 17 she killed someone drunk driving, and never served a minute in jail for it).
Also, I forgot to reply to this part.
"Neither driver was drinking, the police report said."
" ...Police listed two violations as contributing to the accident, both by Mrs. Bush. One checked box read "disregard stop sign or light," and the other was illegible....Both drivers were Robert E. Lee High School students. Neither was drinking, and no citations were issued, according to the report."

While it was pretty much, completely, her fault, she didn't cause it because of her being drunk while driving.

[fernando]

Originally posted by Counter revolutionary+Jan 9 2006, 06:36 PM--> (Counter revolutionary @ Jan 9 2006, 06:36 PM)
[email protected] 9 2006, 02:25 PM
If I recall correctly most of the people executed after the Cuban Revolution received a trail...

Cant this sort of be compared to what happened to the Nazis and their sympathisers in Europe after WWII?
I've heard nothing of all of these trials.
I don't deny that there were trials, but HE had quite a bit of people killed that HE accused of being some form of 'counter revolutionary' wether it be a deserter of the revolution, or a spy. [/b]
Was this during the revolution or after? I think it would be a logical thing to execute spies, traitors and deserters in the middle of a military campaign, or do you suggest that in the middle of a war you should pause and put each person on a full scale trial?

But yeah...wouldnt you find the Opposing Ideologies board a more fitting place to hang out? With your name and all...

[Big Boss]

Of course, counter revolutionaries who have opposing views should always be executed, they could stop the revolution.
Well... at least when it's a Communist, or Marxist revolution, when anyone else does it they're awful, murderous Fascists.

That's the point! They were not even starting a revolution or counter revolutionary in the first place!! These guys were executed for CRIMES AGAINST THE PEOPLE!!!

By that I mean the execution of countless peasants, women and children who were suspected of collaborating with the rebels. Why do you think there were children in the ranks of the rebels? Their parents were killed by the Batista soldiers!

Even the American goverment has claimed that the people executed were Batista's torturers. It's a fact, face it!!

http://www.historyofcuba.com/images/batista3.jpg

[Notaleftist]

I read that Che had a boy executed for stealing food. Is this true? You'd think that was the sort of person he was wanting to help.

[somebodywhowantedtoleaveandnotcomeback]

Originally posted by [email protected] 2 2006, 05:32 PM
Dead Prez
Immortal Technique
X Clan
Public Enemy
Talib Kweli
Saul Williams
Roots Manuva
The Roots
The Bronx
De La Soul
Phi-Life Cypher
Grandmaster Flash




... MC Hammer :rolleyes:

[somebodywhowantedtoleaveandnotcomeback]

Originally posted by [email protected] 15 2006, 04:17 PM
I read that Che had a boy executed for stealing food. Is this true? You'd think that was the sort of person he was wanting to help.
It is complete nonsense, but often used as rightwing anti-communist propaganda.

[Big Boss]

Originally posted by RedFaction+Jan 15 2006, 07:27 AM--> (RedFaction @ Jan 15 2006, 07:27 AM)
[email protected] 15 2006, 04:17 PM
I read that Che had a boy executed for stealing food. Is this true? You'd think that was the sort of person he was wanting to help.
It is complete nonsense, but often used as rightwing anti-communist propaganda. [/b]
That's beutiful tough. I mean, their precious Adolf killed children by the hundreds in experiments during WW2. Other than that, the killing of the kid by Che's order is a complete lie. Low propaganda as the comrade said.

[ilovestalin]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2005, 01:19 PM
I'm sure that somewhere, someone kept a record of all the people Che killed....

Yeah right, give me a damn break.... first off, the man was a soldier. You expect him not to have a body count? Secondly he was involved in a coup/revolution, you expect his hands to be blood free? Even if that list there is accurate its nothing compaired to the numbers of some of the LEADERS currently in power around the world right now...

I mean, common folks. You think Castro never shot anyone? Even the fucking American first lady killed someone before...... (When she was 17 she killed someone drunk driving, and never served a minute in jail for it).

6 billion people on this planet and there are folks who complain about 1/100000000th of the population of the world that was killed under political circumstances....


Right on! Things happen in a war. To some he was a hero, to many others he was a psychopath and a murderer. Accept the facts.

People like to think of him as a perfect cartoon character. A fashionable Korda image of "that soldier guy"...Uhhhh..... don't know his name, but he was one of the good guys.

His words were holy and shit was gold.

Oh no! I mean God forbid Che would turn out to be a commie butcher and a complete fuckup.

[ilovestalin]

Originally posted by [email protected] 14 2005, 07:40 PM
Probably. They're justified.

Justified?

Ehhh...he he he


Nothing has to be justified for a commie butcher, right?

[Comrade J]

Yeah... fuck Che for giving a damn about people. If only he could have been pointlessly brutal, corrupt and twisted like Stalin. :huh:

Quit trying to be so fucking controversial 'ilovestalin,' whatever Che did in his life, he cared enough to act for the good of the people, and is now a symbol of hope and justice, not to mention the main personification of socialism, which undoubtedly causes curious people to study left wing policies. What does Stalin do, other than represent tyranny and corruption, and shameful misuse of power? He only causes people to ignorantly denounce communism before they even fully understand it.