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donnie_middel1
12th November 2005, 00:24
The RCP-OC , or Revolutionary Communist Party Of Canada { Organizing Committees} is a maoist group here in canada, and i want to set the record straight as many ppl are confusing them with thr rcp usa, or assume that they are a puppet party of bob avakian, now the RCP USA has many probs, i mean they try to worship avakian like a god, and have built a cult around him as everyone knows, and what i think is funny is that Bob Avakian is a horrible leader, i mean he ran away like a *****, if he was a true revolutionary he would have stayed and fought but he ran away, but none the less, the RCP-OC has done the opposite, they have a leader but u never hear of him or her, not even its name, ive never seen a pic or a name, which is good because they put the party first, and thats what we need we dont need a cult built on a guy who is a coward, and has really not contributed anything worth noting to communism as a whole,

But i suppose i cant criticze avakian to much considering we have that problem here in canada, with the communist party of canada { marxist-leninist} they built a cult around Hardial Bains, but the thing about that was it in the end hurt them greatly mainly because after his death in 1997 the party had no where to go they had focused there thought into hardial bains' ideology, and have struggled in the elctions since, and i feel that when something happens to avakian that the RCP USA will collapse, mainly because he has not tried to give anyone elese credit or promote anyone else, the same as Hardial Bains, they did not think that they wont be around forever and that they have to promote others as well, as in The DPRK Kim Il Sung promoted his sun, Kim Jong Il , and now he is promoting an unamed man as well, now i dont think this is really beneficial to the parties, simply becuase if u solidate the power in one person then u are only appealing to a small mass, because u can only attract those ppl who think like the leaders, so basically a vanguard party is something that is good and that we need, but we need it in a way that it can sustain through the decades.

check out the RCP-OC web site, www.pcr-rcpcanada.org
and also a new organization, Red Youth Front, www.frontrouge.org

iam curious to hear what everyone thinks of what ive written and my opion.

donnie_middel1
12th November 2005, 00:28
sorry bout the double post, my mistake

herr_Nosferatu
13th November 2005, 00:01
Since I'm not affiliated to the party you speak of, I can't really identify to the arguements you bring up.

I'm certain however that the Canadian Communist Party, according to the fact that they have a much different outset of ideas and realities than the ones living in The States, created a program much more adapted therefore to their existance and issues.

Sure enough though, cult building is not helping the cause to end the world's problems...

And the fact that its leader has changed brings about a new onset of visions to the fight for a stronger freer and more just world...

JC1
13th November 2005, 00:15
The RCP (OC) is an idiotic, adventurist orginization. They are made up of mainly middle class student's, and they advocate "Peoples War" in Canada, under the current condition's. Even on the RCP=USA board at awip.proboards23.com they have critisizied this orginization.

To qoute Huey, "these guy's are eithier wacko's or cop's".

Red Heretic
13th November 2005, 06:08
Originally posted by [email protected] 12 2005, 12:24 AM
The RCP-OC , or Revolutionary Communist Party Of Canada { Organizing Committees} is a maoist group here in canada, and i want to set the record straight as many ppl are confusing them with thr rcp usa, or assume that they are a puppet party of bob avakian, now the RCP USA has many probs, i mean they try to worship avakian like a god, and have built a cult around him as everyone knows, and what i think is funny is that Bob Avakian is a horrible leader, i mean he ran away like a *****, if he was a true revolutionary he would have stayed and fought but he ran away, but none the less, the RCP-OC has done the opposite, they have a leader but u never hear of him or her, not even its name, ive never seen a pic or a name, which is good because they put the party first, and thats what we need we dont need a cult built on a guy who is a coward, and has really not contributed anything worth noting to communism as a whole,

But i suppose i cant criticze avakian to much considering we have that problem here in canada, with the communist party of canada { marxist-leninist} they built a cult around Hardial Bains, but the thing about that was it in the end hurt them greatly mainly because after his death in 1997 the party had no where to go they had focused there thought into hardial bains' ideology, and have struggled in the elctions since, and i feel that when something happens to avakian that the RCP USA will collapse, mainly because he has not tried to give anyone elese credit or promote anyone else, the same as Hardial Bains, they did not think that they wont be around forever and that they have to promote others as well, as in The DPRK Kim Il Sung promoted his sun, Kim Jong Il , and now he is promoting an unamed man as well, now i dont think this is really beneficial to the parties, simply becuase if u solidate the power in one person then u are only appealing to a small mass, because u can only attract those ppl who think like the leaders, so basically a vanguard party is something that is good and that we need, but we need it in a way that it can sustain through the decades.

check out the RCP-OC web site, www.pcr-rcpcanada.org
and also a new organization, Red Youth Front, www.frontrouge.org

iam curious to hear what everyone thinks of what ive written and my opion.
First things first... I REALLY hope you don't represent or hold RCPC[OC] membership. Using the word "*****" is ABSOLUTELY UNNACCEPTABLE chauvanistic language. That word is the N word for women.

Now with that said, lets dig into the bullshit post (which I really hope doesn't represent their RCPC's line).

First off, the RCP USA does not "worship" Avakian in a dogmatic or religious way, period. They criticize that shit. They DO popularize the leadership of the party and its ability to lead the masses forward. That's not just Bob Avakian, but also people like Sunsara Taylor, Carl Dix, etc. Leadership naturally arises because of dialectical materialism, and that leadership ought to be popularized and celebrated for the historical role that it plays in the world revolution.

Now, as for your arguements attacking Avakian for going into exile... Do you think Lenin was a coward for going into exile? Or Jose Sison of the Comunist Party of the Phillipines? If Avakian was going to lead this party forward, he needed to be able to take an active role in the party. He had 200 years of stacked charges against him. If he were in prison, there is no way that he could lead the RCP forward. This is one of the main problems the Panthers ran into when their leadership was in prison, and one of the problems the Communist Party of Peru ran into recently. Exile was the absolute best choice in the interests of our party, and any hope for revolution in the USA.

If you really think Avakian hasn't contributed to the movement, why do you think it is that the Communist Party of Nepal (Maoist) distributes Avakian's work "Phoney Communism is Dead.. Long Live Real Communism" as a great work on the very relevant struggle against revisionism?

You seriously need to grow up, and take a hard look at what you are saying. Maoist parties do not attack one another on a fucking internet forum! If I'm not mistaken, isn't the RCPC seeking membership into the RIM? And here you are, attacking RIM parties in front of the masses! These sorts of ideological differences should not be handled in this way.

I sincerely hope that you are just a supporter of the RCPC, and that you have no idea what you are talking about.

Commie Rat
13th November 2005, 06:21
the RCP USA does not "worship" Avakian in a dogmatic or religious way,


They DO popularize the leadership of the party

paradox. . . " oh we dont worship people, he is just the most popular"



Do you think Lenin was a coward for going into exile?

yes


Using the word "*****" is ABSOLUTELY UNNACCEPTABLE chauvanistic language

have a cry *****


Avakian was going to lead this party forward, he needed to be able to take an active role in the party

Why do RCP think that they need Avakian to lead the party?


Exile was the absolute best choice in the interests of our party, and any hope for revolution in the USA

So you want people who arn't actually in the country to run its revolution?


Using the word "*****" is ABSOLUTELY UNNACCEPTABLE chauvanistic language. That word is the N word for women.


you have no idea what you are talking about.

How can belittling someone's intelligence be any more acceptable and less chauvanistic ?

*****

Amusing Scrotum
13th November 2005, 22:01
Leadership naturally arises because of dialectical materialism,

:lol:

That is a peach of a comment.

It would be interesting to know how you think we will ever create a leaderless society, because it seems to me that dialectical materialism in your eyes, makes such a goal impossible.

donnie_middel1
13th November 2005, 22:39
My Post was of my opinion, and not of the RCP-OC ,


To qoute Huey, "these guy's are eithier wacko's or cop's


where ever u got this statement obviously he does not really understand the RCP-OC i mean think about it, barely no one knows about the RCP-OC, if the cops were actually infiltrating our organizations then they would be infiltrating the cpc or cpc-ml the larger ones,

The RCP (OC) is an idiotic, adventurist orginization. They are made up of mainly middle class student's, and they advocate "Peoples War" in Canada, under the current condition's. Even on the RCP=USA board at awip.proboards23.com they have critisizied this orginization.



ok man ur a member of the cpc they are the most revisionist and capitalistic group who call themselves communist, i mean they are like a miniture PRC, and you cant try to tell me differently because i was a member of the CPC, and it was the biggest mistake of my life, i mean u cannot expect to win an election run by the capitalists, and why would u participate in something ur against? capitalism.
You seriously need to grow up, and take a hard look at what you are saying.

Maoist parties do not attack one another on a fucking internet forum! If I'm not mistaken, isn't the RCPC seeking membership into the RIM? And here you are, attacking RIM parties in front of the masses! These sorts of ideological differences should not be handled in this way.[QUOTE]

Iam not speaking on behalf of the rcp-oc iam speaking on behalf of all of the communsits out there who see avakian for what he is, and what the rcp usa has built around him, iam in no way affliated with any organization!!!! and because iam not a memeber of any organization i am free to bash any party i deem nessecary, i never once said that the veiws in the post was a veiw of the RCP-OC

JC1
13th November 2005, 22:58
ok man ur a member of the cpc they are the most revisionist and capitalistic group who call themselves communist,

Proof ?


and you cant try to tell me differently because i was a member of the CPC,

So what ? Even if you were a member (Witch I doubt, becuase in the CPC you have to be atleast 16 to join) that doesn't give you a warrant of authority on the issue. The CPC is the only party in canada witch has issued Minimum Program's witch explicity explained reform's are not/don't add up to socialism.

That more then I can say for the ML.


i mean u cannot expect to win an election run by the capitalists, and why would u participate in something ur against? capitalism.


1) Election's are not Capitalism. Capitalism is a societal form.

2) Read "Left-Wing Communism: An Infatile Disorder" by Lenin. He recomend's participation in elecion's. It's just another oppritunity to agitate amongst the masses. We dont expect to win.

3) Election's malke up, at most, 1 per cent of the CPC political life.

donnie_middel1
13th November 2005, 23:37
Proof ?


when i was a member there were several instances which led me to believe that they are capitalist, 1: all of the stuff they were shoving down my thorat to buy, the fact that liz rowley wanted me to pay her gas to stop here for a meeting even tho she was traveling through my town to begin with, 2: wanting money for me to be able to run as a candidate.


So what ? Even if you were a member (Witch I doubt, becuase in the CPC you have to be atleast 16 to join) that doesn't give you a warrant of authority on the issue. The CPC is the only party in canada witch has issued Minimum Program's witch explicity explained reform's are not/don't add up to socialism.

man iam 18, so dont try to tell me what i belonged to and what i didnt ok,, and it just shows how insecure u are of the cpc and the fact that u know they are revisionist , considering that u try to tell ppl who u dont even know, wheter or not they were a party member or not,

Amusing Scrotum
13th November 2005, 23:40
I just noticed this comment -


Maoist parties do not attack one another on a fucking internet forum! If I'm not mistaken, isn't the RCPC seeking membership into the RIM? And here you are, attacking RIM parties in front of the masses! These sorts of ideological differences should not be handled in this way.

So much for the idea of "criticism" and "self-criticism." :lol:

Why exactly shouldn't Maoists', Maoist parties and members' of these parties engage in ideological battles on public forums?

This kind of comment gives us a great insight into what it would be like in Maoist America or Maoist Canada. You know if you want to win public support, you should really lie about things like this, thats what all the other bourgeois political parties do.

donnie_middel1
13th November 2005, 23:49
Maoist parties do not attack one another on a fucking internet forum! If I'm not mistaken, isn't the RCPC seeking membership into the RIM? And here you are, attacking RIM parties in front of the masses! These sorts of ideological differences should not be handled in this way.[QUOTE]

this guy does not represent maoist thought, this comment was completely uncalled for, the only explanation i can offer is that he did not like me bashing avakian,

Red Heretic
14th November 2005, 05:34
First things first, let me restate what I said, because if I meant what I said in the way that I said it, then I definately deserve a criticism, and I take a total self criticism on that.

What I meant by that comment was that people should not attack political parties in the name of the party they support if they are not a party spokesperson. The RCPC and the RCP work together, at least to a degree, on the things that we agree on. For him to attack the RCP in the name of the RCPC is bad for our alliance, and reflects very poorly upon his party.

It would be like a bunch of RCP supporters talking shit about some criticisms they had of X or Y revolution, and then the masses think the RCP opposes the X or Y revolution. I apologize for the way I came accross, and take a total self criticism on that.

As for armchair socialism's comment about achieving a stateless and classless society being impossible under my analysis... no. Leaders come forward because of the contradictions in the class system, and the deeply rooted inequalities in society. They will cease to exist naturally when these contradictions have been resolved.

The Garbage Disposal Unit
14th November 2005, 06:30
Have the PRC(CO) developed any following outside of Quebec yet?
Is there an English langauge publication?

They're actually the origin of "thirteen and running" - a weird in-joke among some of my activist friend.

donnie_middel1
14th November 2005, 15:43
yes they are up and running outside of quebec, and if u read my orginal post again u'll see that i never once said that this is how the rcp-oc feels or thinks

Forward Union
14th November 2005, 15:55
The RCP-OC

Your loosing me...


{ Organizing Committees}

Loosing...


a maoist group

You've lost me.

SonofRage
14th November 2005, 17:21
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