Green Party of Canada

[Rojo]

:huh: Don't know much about them? Are they good or are they bad? One of my friend's sisters is a member. I want some opinions or places to get good info on them?

[kurt]

Meh, they're all the same, and the Green aren't much better. The main basis of their policy is to give tax breaks to major corporations as an incentive to stop polluting.(i think)

[poster_child]

http://www.green.ca/livingplatform.html?&MMN_position=21:19

Here's their platform.

They're very business oriented.. I guess they have to be, in order to keep the economy strong, without damaging the environment. They're pretty right-winged on this sort of thing, yet very left wing on other issues. For example:


How could we change our society so that a basic income of $0 is adequate.

Let us presume that for the benefit of society as a whole it is vital that each individual and family have access to the following:


Basic Shelter
Basic nutrition
Basic education
Basic health care
Basic day care
Public transportation
Personal security
Some other basics I have failed to include in this list.

This is pretty awesome. Everyone should have these basic things. I'm glad a political party sees that.

It's also nice to see a party that makes the enviroment one of the top priorities. I'd consider voting for them, just by looking at the alternatives.

[Eastside Revolt]

First of all, representative democracy isn't all it's cracked up to be and elections are part of the problem. You want my advice? don't vote!

I'm unfamialiar with the federal green party, but if they're anything like the BC greens, then they're libertarian environmentalists, typical of BC hippies. :lol:

[STI]

It's been suggested that the Green Party of Canada actually constitutes its own species, decending from what physical anthropologists have described as a "slow-moving, hippyish ape living among the rocky mountains", so yes, they're probably the same.

[Eastside Revolt]

Originally posted by [email protected] 15 2005, 05:45 AM
It's been suggested that the Green Party of Canada actually constitutes its own species, decending from what physical anthropologists have described as a "slow-moving, hippyish ape living among the rocky mountains", so yes, they're probably the same.
Well I wish they'd stay in the rocky mountains. :lol:

[Delirium]

I go to my local green party meetings, (i live in michigan) and they are the burned out hippie types, but also most of them are quite left. They of course are reformists. I agree with most the Green Party USA platform, and will vote for them when i am of age.

[cormacobear]

I too am against the greens platform. Plus I am against splitting the vote in a 'first past the post' electoral system. The NDP has a dramatically more substancial enviornmental platform than the other seated parties, and has gotten legislation past previously. People picture hippies and think they're voting left without reading the Green parties platform. (which in my oppinion would bankrupt the country in a decade)

And at a time when a few more NDP seats could at least get us a coalition government, we are closer in the polls to the Conservatives, than the Conservatives are to the liberals.

:blush: I think I may have let my colours show there. So please vote and read all the platforms.

oh yah and for those whove been folloeing the campaign. Buzz Hrgrove is a traitorous dirt bag.

[STI]

You don't actually support the NDP, do you Corm? Come on now, you can do better than the Jack-attack. Even by social democrat standards they're trash.

[cormacobear]

They're better than nothing and better than Liberals.

[STI]

Not in practice they aren't. You're old enough to remember that the NDP once had power in Ontario, under Bob Rae. Were they "better than the Liberals"? No. Rae totally stuck it to the unions that brought him to power and enforced the so-named "Collective Agreement", a cost-cutting measure which the unions were in clear opposition of. This would be one thing, but that miserable little prick's strategy of "Rae Days" were simply a poor idea to begin with.

And the whole party was behind him.

[Forward Union]

I've heard Green party members criticisms of marxist/anarchist ideals. They seem to support middle class movements and refuse to support workers who are involved in environmentally unfriendly workplaces. Like car factories.

Besides, a Green part means a Green state. Green oppression is still oppression, green capitalism is still capitalism.

Although they may be capable of achieving short term victories against large companies and the state, they are fairly reactionary and will not achieve revolution.

[commie anarchist rebel]

personaly id rather vote for the communist party of canada

[greens are no good]

You can see the green's big business agenda all through their platform.

Mainly here: They support corporate tax cuts for "business they like"... so if a business does something environmentally efficient, they don't have to pay taxes.

Sure, they care about the environment, but that doesn't mean they care about the working class.

At all the all-candidates debates in my riding, they hand out the magazine called ''corporat knight'', which is centred on the idea that billion dollar profit making CEO's can sometimes be good! :lol:


Environmentalism and capitalism don't mix, so if you want to vote for a party that is good on the environment, without compromising our interests, vote communist. That's the clearest message against capitalism.

you can look at their platform at pcc-cpc-communist-party.ca (http://pcc-cpc-2006.communist-party.ca) It is a pretty nice looking and informative election site.

The CP on environmental issues:

Put nature before profits
- Enforce stronger penalties on polluters.
- Phase out nuclear power, and reduce reliance on fossil fuel consumption;
- meet Kyoto targets as a first step to making Canada a world leader in reduction of ozone-depleting gases and hydrocarbons.
- Reduce environmental impacts and loss of economic sovereignty caused by reliance on north-south hydro grids.
- Expand shared power flows among provinces, moving toward an East‑West power grid.
- Increase funding for alternative power research; expand energy conservation and use of alternative power sources.
- Subsidize public mass transit to cut fares and increase ridership.
- Ban destructive forestry practices, such as clear-cutting.
- Require labelling of genetically-modified food products as a first step towards reducing the scale of the GMO food system.
- Create jobs through protection and cleanup of the environment.

[ColinH]

I've heard that the Green Party has the most top-down power structure of all the 'mainstream' political parties in Canada, with their leader basically kicking anyone out who doesn't agree with his ideas. And the NDP even have 'greener' policies. Still, no excuse for being authoritarian pricks like all the rest.

[Forward Union]

Read this;

http://www.libcom.org/hosted/af/ace/ap_green.html

[Nathan_Morrison]

If you want to vote don't vote for the hippies, they are as bad as the capitalist scum.

[red_orchestra]

The Green Party actually is further right than the NDP.... its very similar to the Liberal Party. Both parties support big buisness.

Fuckem,

Vote Marxist Socialist! Thats were my vote will be going.

[RNK]

Unfortunately, the CPC/ML, nor the Greens, will ever be popular in Canada. Maybe the Greens in a few years, maybe, but...

In this day and age, advertising one's Party for an election campaign, a la scary images of Paul Martin's craterface close-up, is mainly a matter of money. The parties pay big bucks for broadcasting companies to run their adds all the damned time... money that few parties can come up with. Infact, I only remember ever seeing Conservative and Liberal ads on TV. Maybe an NDP add here, a Bloc ad there (because I live in Quebec, I'm sure it's mandatory in some crazy Quebec law).

For the average citizen, it is very hard to be informed about a party. I'm sure if a lot of people knew the platforms of all the other little parties, they might vote differently, but the way the media is run (and no, it's no conspiracy -- its just how things work), pretty much all you hear about is Harper, Martin, and Layton. And maybe Duceppe, in Quebec. Do you see large frontpage editorials outlining the latest achievement of the Green party? Or see two-page articles on the CPC? Nah.