Self education

[Master Che]

How will Education work in a Communist society? Will their just be libraries? Or will their be volluntery schools in which you can go when ever you want? Or a combination of both?

[Disinclination]

Wouldn't education still be mandatory (or as mandatory as it gets nowdays >_>) in a communist society?

[Master Che]

No it wouldent you would learn the basic needs then you can learn what you want.

[Roses in the Hospital]

Education should be compulsory up untill the age where children are mature enough to be decide for themselves if they want to continue education and what form their education should take...

[TheComrade]

Interesting...Which subjects would be compulsory?? Would - when discussing politics - you speak of other ideals besides Communism? I always get the impression that an education in a communist government would be like communist brain washing - buts thats only predujce based on history.

[Jimmie Higgins]

Yeah, I think it would be maditory to learn to read and do basic math, but most of the way school is structured now would be irrelevent. A lot of elementary school now is basically glorified day-care so parents can work and the cops don't have to worry about Pip and the Artfull Doger running around all day.

Education would be about learning (what a concept) rather than making grades and jumping through the hoops of standardized tests and so on.

If there are no class differences, then education-level wouldn't be something that adds to class-divisions and so education can be ongoing and voluntary. I'd love to just take a few classes each year and learn new languages or skills or just some more history or whatnot, but it's kinda impractical because of the expense and also the time involved because I have to work full time and my schedule changes each week.

Down with capitalism so I can learn to speak French!

[Jimmie Higgins]

Originally posted by [email protected] 7 2005, 08:49 PM
Interesting...Which subjects would be compulsory?? Would - when discussing politics - you speak of other ideals besides Communism? I always get the impression that an education in a communist government would be like communist brain washing - buts thats only predujce based on history.
In a communist society, daily life would be enough education as far as politics because there'd be much more daily participation by all people.

There could even be an elected student council that workers with the school's elected teacher's council and decides what the school needs as far as resources and should have as far as subjects and books and so on.

"Brain washing" dosn't really exist in my opinion. Teaching to the party line like in Totalitarin states or whatever only happens when a ruling minority needs to reinforce it's ideas onto the people in order for them to accept their rule. Even in the US, they teach everyone about the American revolution, but they strip the revolution away from their teaching of it. The way it's presented to kids is that a bunch of rich smart men sat down toghether and decided that independance was better because they were so wise. This is because our rulers are afraid of us and don't want us to think about things like revolt or revolution. In the USSR, it was similar: Marx and Lennin were made into state-saints under Stalinism so that revolutions seems like something that is made by extrodinary supernatural men rather than regular people.

So if a revolution was sucsessful in achieving workers power and democracy, then I'd think that people would be generally more intrested in and thinking about all sorts of politics. If workers are the rulers, they don't have to fear a worker revoluition and should be discussing ways to improve their own rule or make life better for them.

In a socialist society right after the revolution, it probably wouldn't be ok to advocate capitalism in a politics class just as it wouldn't be ok to advocate slavery in a politics class.

As for history classes, I'd hope there'd be a lot more debate in these classes than there is today where we are passivly expected to see history from our ruler's eyes.

[Scars]

Education should be compulsary for things like reading, writing, maths (as much as I despise it, I do think it's important) and other such things, so as to make people productive members of society.

However, I think that schools should be more flexible and there should be more types of schools available. Not everyone learns the same way. For instance, people who learn best by doing things should be moved to a school that teaches in this way, people who learn best by listening should be moved to a school that teaches that way etc etc. In addition to this there should be trade skills for those that are not intellectually inclined, where they could learn a trade etc. Education is not simply about books and abstract bullshit.

I think that education is very important and you shouldn't be allowed to leave school until you're 16. However, if it's clear that you're going to go into a manual job you should be moved to a trade school when you're 14 (like how it worked with apprentiships back in the day. God my spelling is bad). Basically education should be more flexible and cater to people as individuals, as opposed to there being the one mould- if you don't fit, well, too bad.

And for the record, I'm nearly completely self-educated, having left school when I was..11 or 12, can't remember. Offically I'm on correspondence, but the system here is so chronically under-funded that I'm essentially self taught. On the upside it means that I avoid much of the bullshit revisionism in regards to history etc (in history you do the Russian Revolution and Vietnam War in 6th form, which was good fun and 16th-17th Century England which includes the English Civil War/English Revolution, which was also interesting. The Diggers were cool and Christoper Hill is awesome).

[Roses in the Hospital]

I'd probably teach english (or whatever language), basic maths, basic science, a second language (to encourage multiculturalism) and also some kind of philosophy/politics/sociology type course, plus stuff like art and drama just to make things fun for the kids...

[Comrade Marcel]

Originally posted by [email protected] 7 2005, 01:06 AM
How will Education work in a Communist society? Will their just be libraries? Or will their be volluntery schools in which you can go when ever you want? Or a combination of both?
http://individual.utoronto.ca/mrodden/study/moremarx.htm

Class 7

Education (I)



· What Will Education Be Like Under Socialism?

· How will Education be improved?

· What makes Capitalist Education poor?

· An end to Euro-centric views in Education



Readings:



Main:

1) What Will Education Be Like Under Socialism? - http://www.angelfire.com/co2/socialism/soc...deducation.html (http://www.angelfire.com/co2/socialism/socialismandeducation.html) (I)

2) Marxism Made Simple: Education - http://www.marxismmadesimple.esmartweb.com/mainpage.htm (Click on "Education") (B)

3) On Teaching Marxism By Bertell Ollman http://www.nyu.edu/projects/ollman/docs/ssr_ch05.php (A)

[Fidel Follower]

I agree with grave gigger! Today teachers are forcing kids to get good grades for there GCSE's and other exams.
Insted they should teach them skills which they will use in later likfe, good key skills! And by the age of say 13, the children should lurn sociology and information about the past revolutions, and how the ideal stae should work.

Also if the children are not taught Jealousy then the state would become much better! These post have really made me think, good subject!

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[Fidel Follower]

..and i know you dont teach Jealousy but if no one is Jealouse then it would help greatly! :hammer:

[TheComrade]

I agree with Fidel Follower! What good are grades in real life (besides getting you a job) they do not help you to understand the things you aren't taught about! My English teacher (the best teacher I have ever had) has lessons where he talks about ideas - principles - governments - beliefs etc. Sometimes people ask him 'we haven't done any work!' his reply is that he is teaching them about the world - about life - and he isn't just an english teacher.

My younger brother was home educated by my mother - the school system refused to act upon his dyslexia - and he came on leaps and bounds! I think - as regards SELF education - that you do sometimes need someone wiser - smarter - more knowledgeable in some subjects - to lecture/teach you. There is a big difference between being taught and just reading about something....

[Disinclination]

Originally posted by Roses in the [email protected] 7 2005, 07:36 PM
Education should be compulsory up untill the age where children are mature enough to be decide for themselves if they want to continue education and what form their education should take...
I understand that its everyone's right to choose if they want or not, but I'm pretty sure the majority of people who would drop out at a 'mature age' are doing it for all the wrong reasons.

And what is the age that children are 'mature' enough? I know people who are 20 and arn't mature enough. (Which is kind of sad...And I don't mean in that non-childish mature.)

That is kind of like the system we have now, except the age limit is much higher. You take school up until a mandatory age(16 I think you can drop out. But I was aiming for 18, so..), and then you have the choice of continuing your education. The problem is.. you need very high marks. >_>;

Another thing is how would teachers be paid, time divided up between classes, and so forth. If like one year, you have 200 students, and the next you have 97 or so, the classes would be horribly uneven. One art class could only have 5, while Government would maybe about 57 at one time.

[Fidel Follower]

Originally posted by [email protected] 9 2005, 05:48 PM


- the school system refused to act upon his dyslexia - and he came on leaps and bounds!
I too am dyslexic! The school was helpfull, and people with dyslexia are often better at solving problems and seeing the bigger picture!! Lol, and i am also very good at art...not much to do with communism but i do agree with Thecomrade

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